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Old 04-22-10, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DFTR
Despite being the same height and w/ the same inseam I believe as Vik, I didn't find the Tikit to provide a superior fit to the Brompton.
I tried the medium and large frames and preferred the large, but while it was a good fit there wasn't a clear aha this rides better.
If anything, the SpeedPRO TT was more to my liking than the Tikit but mainly b/c of its Bullhorn handlebars. I suspect a Tikit w/ H-Bars would
have felt just as nice. Also, I don't have as much experience or anywhere close to as many bicycles as Vik so I might not be as discerning regarding
fit... perhaps in a year or two, I might be more opinionated on what I want as far as fitting a bike goes.


In my experience helping friends buy bikes [incl folders] the ladies and smaller men can fit more easily on a wider variety. This is due to the fact that most folding bikes are available in one size with stems/seatposts that angle outwards to adjust the cockpit size. For larger riders this means riding a small bike with a setback seatpost and long stem. If you tried to sell one size of diamond frame [small] bike and only swapped in different seatposts and stems bigger folks wouldn't be happy.

As you mention in your post above you can get the Tikit in 3 frame sizes and then you can use any seatpost. stem, saddle and bars you want. The result is you can setup the bike t fit in the same ways you would fit a standard non-folding diamond frame bike. Having tried many folders this is a very attractive feature because it means you can dial the bike in exactly how you'd like.

Having said that not everyone has issues fitting on a typical folder and not everyone really cares about how the bike fits. If you are riding 1km at either end of a multimodal commute you can probably jump on any bike and make it just fine.



I care because I don't ride my Tikit like a folder. I ride it just like any other bike I own. I hammer away from lights. I go up and down curbs. I've commuted 25kms on way on it. Carried bike frames on the rear rack to the post office....

If you are stoked with your Dahon or Brompton - wicked! I wouldn't suggest for a moment you should think about a Tikit. Ride your bike. Have fun...
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Originally Posted by mulleady
Has the troll left lol? ... the Tikit is being sold off cheap because some people are becoming enlightened and opting for a quality folder like the Brompton!
Speaking of trolls ;-)
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Originally Posted by kamtsa
speaking of trolls ;-)
Ouch lol!
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Bike looks great Vik Great photo going down the steps. It's impressive you can kerb on it so easily. It certainly shows its versatility.
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Originally Posted by mulleady
Bike looks great Vik Great photo going down the steps. It's impressive you can kerb on it so easily. It certainly shows its versatility.
Great thing about 16" wheels is they are soooooo strong...add in some fat rubber and you've got a great urban assault rig...

My buddy Kurt abuses his Tikit so bad I cringe every time we ride together. I'm not uber gentle, but at least I know I'm not riding a full suspension MTB!...
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Old 04-23-10, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vik
Great thing about 16" wheels is they are soooooo strong...add in some fat rubber and you've got a great urban assault rig...

My buddy Kurt abuses his Tikit so bad I cringe every time we ride together. I'm not uber gentle, but at least I know I'm not riding a full suspension MTB!...
Vik,
have you done any upgrades on your tikit ? have you changed the stem, handlebar, seatpost or anything ? reason i asked is because i am starting to have this upgrade itch again. seeing how easy it is for me to upgrade the ticket made it even worse. now i am looking at adding the 105 crank, hollowtech BB and changing the RD. plus i wanted to change the whole handlepost setup with new handlebar and stem. my upgrade folderitis is surely kicking in. any inputs you can give as far as upgrades are concerned ?

but in all honesty i appreciate sesamecrunch's pushing me to buy the tikit. only now am i starting to see it's versatility. reading all your posts is just plain eye opener for me. glad i jumped into the bandwagon. as usual great pics and useful comments from you...

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The only dealer selling Tikits in the UK is below:
https://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/bf_tikit.htm

They start at £999 Sterling. Is that way expensive compared to the US? Would it be easy to get a used one shipped do you think? Shipping costs scare me off. Would love to have one!
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Originally Posted by mulleady
The only dealer selling Tikits in the UK is below:
https://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/bf_tikit.htm

They start at £999 Sterling. Is that way expensive compared to the US? Would it be easy to get a used one shipped do you think? Shipping costs scare me off. Would love to have one!
Sounds like a perfect opportunity for our globe hopping SesameCrunchie ... put in your order.. he'll hand deliver it to you, use some frequent flyer miles, and probably come back with something sexy in stainless steel ..
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Originally Posted by mulleady
The only dealer selling Tikits in the UK is below:
https://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/bf_tikit.htm

They start at £999 Sterling. Is that way expensive compared to the US? Would it be easy to get a used one shipped do you think? Shipping costs scare me off. Would love to have one!
That's about $1,534, at today's exchange rate. The most basic tikit, the Model-T (likely the model you are referring to), is $1,098 in the U.S. - .

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Originally Posted by vmaniqui
Vik,
have you done any upgrades on your tikit ? have you changed the stem, handlebar, seatpost or anything ? reason i asked is because i am starting to have this upgrade itch again. seeing how easy it is for me to upgrade the ticket made it even worse. now i am looking at adding the 105 crank, hollowtech BB and changing the RD. plus i wanted to change the whole handlepost setup with new handlebar and stem. my upgrade folderitis is surely kicking in. any inputs you can give as far as upgrades are concerned ?

but in all honesty i appreciate sesamecrunch's pushing me to buy the tikit. only now am i starting to see it's versatility. reading all your posts is just plain eye opener for me. glad i jumped into the bandwagon. as usual great pics and useful comments from you...
To be honest my Tikit is one of my least upgraded bikes. I've been really happy with most of the stock bits...even the stock saddle makes me happy which is unheard of in my world!

My Tikit mods:

- Ergon Grips
- shorter 70mm stem
- Greenspeed Scorcher tires
- 2 pannier front rack

...basically stock....upgrade away if you want to and will enjoy the result, but I don't think it's necessary due to any problems with the stock build.
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Tikit is listed at $1,600.00 CDN at the one and only Toronto dealer. Seems insane, since our dollar is on par (or almost).
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Tikit is listed at $1,600.00 CDN at the one and only Toronto dealer. Seems insane, since our dollar is on par (or almost).
or you could drive down new york and buy the tikit there.

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Originally Posted by vik
To be honest my Tikit is one of my least upgraded bikes. I've been really happy with most of the stock bits...even the stock saddle makes me happy which is unheard of in my world!

My Tikit mods:

- Ergon Grips
- shorter 70mm stem
- Greenspeed Scorcher tires
- 2 pannier front rack

...basically stock....upgrade away if you want to and will enjoy the result, but I don't think it's necessary due to any problems with the stock build.
i received the upgrade support kit from Bike Friday and i installed it on my tikit. took me about 1 hour and when it was done and over i noticed that when i fold the seatpost its rubbing the frame. it wasn't doing this when it was not installed. i just decided to removed it altogether. it wasn't right the first time when i saw the metal support that they sent me because the holes don't seem to align with the screws on the seat post.
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Originally Posted by vmaniqui
i received the upgrade support kit from Bike Friday and i installed it on my tikit. took me about 1 hour and when it was done and over i noticed that when i fold the seatpost its rubbing the frame. it wasn't doing this when it was not installed. i just decided to removed it altogether. it wasn't right the first time when i saw the metal support that they sent me because the holes don't seem to align with the screws on the seat post.
Vic: Do you have pictures of how the safety upgrade should be installed?
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I can take some and post later today or tomorrow.
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Any Tikits for me Sesame lol?
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Originally Posted by SesameCrunch
Vic: Do you have pictures of how the safety upgrade should be installed?
I will post later.
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Originally Posted by mulleady
Any Tikits for me Sesame lol?
Hey Mully. With the money I would save you on the Tikit, you could afford to fly me to London for a home delivery! (After the volcanic ash blows over, that is!)

Seriously, though. If you want a Tikit, there are used ones going for around $900 here. I'd make sure to get you an XLarge frame to handle the abuse from your Frankencalves! I'm sure we can work out a delivery mechanism. Summer vacation is around the corner....
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Originally Posted by SesameCrunch
Hey Mully. With the money I would save you on the Tikit, you could afford to fly me to London for a home delivery! (After the volcanic ash blows over, that is!)

Seriously, though. If you want a Tikit, there are used ones going for around $900 here. I'd make sure to get you an XLarge frame to handle the abuse from your Frankencalves! I'm sure we can work out a delivery mechanism. Summer vacation is around the corner....
you're not serious aren't you sesamecrunch....
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Originally Posted by SesameCrunch
Vic: Do you have pictures of how the safety upgrade should be installed?
do you want one picture of how it shows installed or the instructions that BF sent me ?
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Originally Posted by vmaniqui
do you want one picture of how it shows installed or the instructions that BF sent me ?
What I meant was - do you have photos from BF showing how the upgrade should be installed, so that you have a visual guide?
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Originally Posted by SesameCrunch
What I meant was - do you have photos from BF showing how the upgrade should be installed, so that you have a visual guide?
Sorry no photos from BF as to how to install the brace. I can take some photos of the brace installed, but I haven't crossed paths with that Tikit yet. The one I ride has the new seatmast without a brace.
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Originally Posted by SesameCrunch
What I meant was - do you have photos from BF showing how the upgrade should be installed, so that you have a visual guide?
yes. they did send me the instructions with pictures. i was able to follow it to the dot but once i am done for some reason it seems not right. it made my seat mast rub my bike frame. but when i removed it the folding down went ok (no rubbing). also when i was installing it i have to hammer the round support real hard so that it will slide out for me to be able to put the support.
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Originally Posted by neilfein
Alec, reading through all this, you're the one keeping this going.
How so?

The OP started this thread with a legitimate question, and it's now accomplishing nothing. Please stop.
Stop what? Posting?

It also may be worth noting that, out of the 23 posts you've written on Bikeforums, 9 of them are in this thread.
How is that worth noting?

Originally Posted by mcleodja
I have to agree with this rant on one point, why ask if you wanted to be contacted by email or phone and call a potential client anyway? This is the reason I did not go with BF just because I wanted some preliminary info by email to digest but I was getting a telephone call asking if I wanted to order or not before I had any info and this was from Walter.
This is because you are a troll. They detected this. No warm fuzzies and little fold-up bicycles for you.

Originally Posted by DFTR
I'm not a big fan of their Built to Own costs vs. customization. I think BTO model works well for setting up special geometric frame configurations; but when someone just wants to switch out an 8 speed cassette w/ a 9 speed, I think it more fair to charge them the difference b/w the two. Likewise, I was very close to buying a Tikit but they told me they were out of stock of the mediums. Since they had to wait to build up more bikes and paint them, I'd asked if I could just pay the $100 to have it painted yellow. I was told that they would only do that if I went the BTO route which I think ends up costing an additional $400.
Seconded. I assume I would have had a similar experience had they ever answered my questions.

Originally Posted by Bubba Zanetti
Shortly after contacting BF, I visited a local Dahon dealer, an hour later, I left with a new Speed Pro TT and couldn't be an happier. Not to mention, I saved over a grand on what I felt is a better machine for the money!!
But: do your fellow Dahon dealers smile at you when passing, tossing warm fuzzies into your panniers?

Originally Posted by folder fanatic
I still don't like the way this particular forum handles something that does not make themselves "feel good" and "happy."
This subforum needs a tweeness filter.

Originally Posted by driftwork
I think one possible way to make some additional use out of this thread might be to discuss exactly what people might 'agree' is wrong with the Bike Friday website and potentially, how it can be improved.
It is such a colossal mess that I wouldn't know where to begin. I tried to look at their selection of bags for concealing the Tikit. I must have gone down three blind alleys and enjoyed two wild goose chases before I found them.

Originally Posted by rhenning
Part of the problem for Bike Friday is they build custom bikes and except for a few base models there are no two bikes the same. I was at a Bike Friday Training Camp in Arizona and we had about 50 Bike Fridays there. I don't believe any two were the same. That is the reason it is important you talk to them when you want a bike. Much ado was made about gearing and the fact is they will if possible gear the bike almost any way you want it to be geared. If you are a web site shopper you are not going to get the information you need because you need to discuss it with someone from Bike Friday.
Are you saying this can't be done via email? If so, why? What better format--allowing explanatory links, lists of options, etc--could there be for communicating technical information to someone who'll presumably need to take their time in digesting it? The telephone can only be preferable from the point of view of the salesman, who isn't interested in your digesting--only in your swallowing. We've now seen one or two anecdotes describing this.

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I do however think that Birdy Bikes and Tikits are in almost exactly the same category yet there is almost no discussion about any comparisons.
In my limited experience--test rides only--they have little in common except that they'll likely end up costing the same once you have the gearing etc that you want, and that they look about equally large when folded. (The Birdy is supposedly smaller, but its larger tubing makes it appear as a sizable hunk of scrap metal relative to the Mezzo or the Brompton. It and the Tikit look like about equally large messes when folded, albeit different kinds of messes. I think the Tikit looks better when unfolded. A lot better, though it took me a while to come to that opinion.) The riding posture of the Birdy seems to me to have little in common with the riding posture of the Tikit. The Birdy is often said to result in a posture like that used when upon a mountain bike. Perhaps this opinion results from a misinterpretation of the Birdy's suspension, and I can't say for certain as I've never once sat on a mountain bike, but I cannot, with the Birdy, escape the notion that I am perched over it, rather settled onto/into it.

As for the Birdy's support, Pacific have been excellent in answering all of my questions about the various Birdy models, and they offer direct sales with lower prices than any reseller, online or otherwise. Their prices include shipping.

Originally Posted by SesameCrunch
I like the Tikit a lot also, but I have 2 areas to grumble about:

1) The handlepost is flexy.
I rode a size large and, per the explanation offered above, didn't detect any flex at all.

2) The bike does not stand by itself very well when folded.
I didn't see how it could stand by itself at all, and Bike Friday's promotion of it as being easily rolled is tantamount to false advertising. They should leave this possible, half-workable benefit for certain lucky owners to discover for themselves. Promoting it so heavily in their videos, when in reality is works quite poorly, is surely not OK. The bike doesn't feel at all as if it were designed to be rolled. It feels as if it just happens to, a little.

Originally Posted by invisiblehand
Despite SC's title, given the thread has been overtaken by Bike Friday support,
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Originally Posted by DFTR
Despite being the same height and w/ the same inseam I believe as Vik, I didn't find the Tikit to provide a superior fit to the Brompton.
My problem, with forming an opinion of the Brompton, is that I've had the damnedest time finding a dealer who has the telescopic seat pillar. Now I've found one who has it, but they say it's on their M-type (I'm interested in an S-type), and they say it can't be swapped out. It can't?! Another Brompton dealer has told me that it can.

The standard seat pillar surely can't satisfy anyone with even a 32" inseam, though Brompton's website gives a different figure. I'm amazed every dealer doesn't carry one.

Again, I wanted to buy a bike from them but I don't approve of their economic model; the penalty/cost associated w/ changes in colors or gearing is too high. If they had a set of options akin to what Brompton does, I would definitely have bought one.
I remain interested in the Brompton only because of how superior their options and coordinate pricing are relative to Bike Friday's. Well, that and the fold. I still agree with someone who said elsewhere on this forum, "A tall person looks daft on an S-type."

Originally Posted by mulleady
I c an only imagine the demanding and overly long emails BF get from some people like the troll on this thread. I wouldn't answer them either lol!
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Alec - hey, we are here to help you. Let me know if I can be of assistance - Phil Cowles 800.777.0258 Director of Marketing - Bike Friday
Hi, Phil. I've still received no replies to any of the emails I mentioned earlier in this thread. Also, a request: could you offer mulleady a job?
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Originally Posted by lucille
Hmmmm..... not to keep the fire going, but it seems to me that your customer service problems might have something to do with your general attitude, Alec E...
You told us your experience, we told you ours. Then you go ahead and insult people that take time to talk to you. Get whatever bike you want, better yet, save the sales person, get it on-line. Win win, me thinks.
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!

I just don't understand why it is necessary to foster a bad attitude. If I were Bike Friday I might just want to stay far far away from this one......
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