Folding bike for long distance riding
Hi
I'm thinking of getting a folding bike to ride Paris Brest Paris (1200km) next year. I'm totally new to the world of folding/pull apart bikes so would value any suggestions. Some of the ones I've started to look at on the web are the Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, or the Pro or the Air and the Airnimal Chameleon The main reason why I'm looking at a folder is that my wife has fallen in love with cycle touring on our tandem and so we'll be taking the (a) tandem and a solo bike. We may also look at a folding/pull apart tandem as well so we can have the bikes in three cases. thanks Greg |
Bike Friday builds a tandem that can also be used as a solo when the tandem isnt being used.
http://community.bikefriday.com/travelerqsport |
You are looking at most of the sensible options IMHO. Some less usual choices are Moultons (some are packable into standard sized luggage) and Bromptons (finished PBP, LEL and Mille Miglia).
Figure on carrying a spare tyre with you. Your biggest problem is working out how to stay within the restrictive weight limits of flights between Oz and Europe with bike, packaging, ride clothing and off-the-bike clothing. USA-ian flights have a much larger baggage allowance. |
Originally Posted by LWaB
(Post 11780896)
weight limits of flights between Oz and Europe with bike, packaging, ride clothing and off-the-bike clothing. USA-ian flights have a much larger baggage allowance.
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Google doesn't work for you? Airlines' baggage allowances vary but generally flights to/from USA use a piece allowance, to/from other destinations are a more restrictive weight allowance. That is part of the reason Yanks are so keen on heavy bike cases.
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Kent Peterson did PBP on a Friday. I am not sure where his write up lives these days, but you could contact him through his blog: http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/ I've done a few brevets, but nothing longer than 300kms so I don't have the perspective to give you all the advice you need. I designed my Bike Friday NWT to fit just like my full size Surly LHT 700c bike. It feels great and is very comfortable. Being comfortable is key and you can get all your existing bike's dimensions ported over to a Friday as well as any components you have to have such as bars, saddle, pedals. Being comfortable is key for a long ride. Greenspeed Scorchers are fast comfortable 406 tires. They provide a lot of efficiency for small wheels by absorbing bumps and rough surfaces. I wouldn't run a narrow tire on a small wheel thinking you'll go faster - you won't....you'll be less comfortable and be slower. You can use any gearing you like so that won't be a problem. Fenders and a bar bag or a rack and tail bag or a saddle bag will all work depending how you carry your rando gear. I use a dyno hub and light on my Friday which wors well and battery LEDs on the rear. |
I'm reluctant to give any sort of advice to PBP rider, but ....
I would normally say a Bike Friday is your best bet for a solid bike that can provide the comfort and reliability for such an undertaking. However I noticed you're writing from Australia. I'm not sure if they are readily available there? If not, Moultons can be a good alternative. They have the same heritage for riding efficiency, comfort and reliability as Bike Fridays. Maybe we'll hear from Jur and Stevegor who are folder fans from Australia.... |
Here are some Bike Friday PBP links:
http://community.bikefriday.com/pbp-twinair http://community.bikefriday.com/pbp |
Originally Posted by GLA
(Post 11780119)
Hi
I'm thinking of getting a folding bike to ride Paris Brest Paris (1200km) next year. I'm totally new to the world of folding/pull apart bikes so would value any suggestions. Some of the ones I've started to look at on the web are the Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, or the Pro or the Air and the Airnimal Chameleon The main reason why I'm looking at a folder is that my wife has fallen in love with cycle touring on our tandem and so we'll be taking the (a) tandem and a solo bike. We may also look at a folding/pull apart tandem as well so we can have the bikes in three cases. thanks Greg I've done a few centuries with my Bike Friday NWT. You might consider Bike Friday's options with 406 tires since both tires and tubes are much more common than 451. |
Originally Posted by LWaB
(Post 11780896)
... Your biggest problem is working out how to stay within the restrictive weight limits of flights between Oz and Europe with bike, packaging, ride clothing and off-the-bike clothing. USA-ian flights have a much larger baggage allowance.
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I came across a thread from a couple of years ago (here) and it talks in part about small wheeled bikes transmitting more road shock through to the rider.
On a long distance ride this does not seem a great thing. Have others that have ridden long distances experienced this? Also:
Originally Posted by vik
(Post 11781680)
... I wouldn't run a narrow tire on a small wheel thinking you'll go faster - you won't....you'll be less comfortable and be slower. . So many questions, but I appreciate the feedback |
Originally Posted by GLA
(Post 11782624)
I came across a thread from a couple of years ago (here) and it talks in part about small wheeled bikes transmitting more road shock through to the rider.
On a long distance ride this does not seem a great thing. Have others that have ridden long distances experienced this? Also: That leads me to another big question I have. What size tyres would you recommend? Are the 451s much better on the road, or does the advantage of the availability of the 406s outweight that. Also how narrow (or not) is the best for the longer distances? So many questions, but I appreciate the feedback 406 tires are light so I'd probably carry a spare since a high performance spare is not likely to fall into your hands in the French country side at 2am. |
Agreed. Vik, do yourself a favor and order a Big Shot Mini Polo. Its insanely light and for a rigid bike with 20" wheels, it rides great on Greenspeed Scorcher tires. It just tracks the road really well.
I didn't think a mini velo can handle distance but this is one of those things the bike does well - even in single speed configuration. |
Suspension affects the minimum tyre width needed for small wheels. Bike Fridays are (mostly) not suspended, so fat tyres are very helpful. A Moulton's suspension means that a 28 or 32 mm tyre is fine. My experience: 1xPBP on 349 tyres, 1xPBP on 406 tyres, 5x1200+ (including 1xPBP) on 700x23-28C.
Bike Fridays are available in Oz from a couple of shops, you can order them direct from the USA anyway. If you want to consider a Moulton in Oz, chat to Michael Kater. |
I originally got slick, skinny road tires for my Bike Friday and it was a bad idea - way too rough on any kind of damaged pavement. The smaller diameter wheels jolt more on any ruts and ridges, and the smaller airspace inside the tire provides less hydraulic dampening. So roads that my large wheel bike could hande, were too rough for the Friday even at the same psi of around 100.
So I got a Big Apple tire for the front and I run it at 70 psi, and I dropped the pressure in the rear to 80 psi and that helped. As soon as that rear slick tire wears out I will switch it to Big Apple too. I made the changes when I was intending to ride on a packed trail, but it really improved the ride on pavement as well. |
Originally Posted by GLA
(Post 11782624)
I came across a thread from a couple of years ago (here) and it talks in part about small wheeled bikes transmitting more road shock through to the rider.
On a long distance ride this does not seem a great thing. Have others that have ridden long distances experienced this? Also: That leads me to another big question I have. What size tyres would you recommend? Are the 451s much better on the road, or does the advantage of the availability of the 406s outweight that. Also how narrow (or not) is the best for the longer distances? So many questions, but I appreciate the feedback |
Originally Posted by GLA
(Post 11782624)
That leads me to another big question I have. What size tyres would you recommend? Are the 451s much better on the road, or does the advantage of the availability of the 406s outweight that. Also how narrow (or not) is the best for the longer distances?
Therefore, if large diameter skinny tires represent an optimal compromise then to approximate the same with a small diameter wheel you want to get the widest tire possible. |
Originally Posted by chucky
(Post 11785750)
The advantages of skinny tires are lighter weight and better aerodynamics and the disadvantages are higher rolling resistance and less comfort/durability. But since small diameter wheels are already light and aerodynamic and suffer from high rolling resistance and poor comfort the incentives are basically reversed.
Therefore, if large diameter skinny tires represent an optimal compromise then to approximate the same with a small diameter wheel you want to get the widest tire possible. |
Originally Posted by LWaB
(Post 11785246)
Suspension affects the minimum tyre width needed for small wheels. Bike Fridays are (mostly) not suspended, so fat tyres are very helpful. A Moulton's suspension means that a 28 or 32 mm tyre is fine. My experience: 1xPBP on 349 tyres, 1xPBP on 406 tyres, 5x1200+ (including 1xPBP) on 700x23-28C.
Bike Fridays are available in Oz from a couple of shops, you can order them direct from the USA anyway. If you want to consider a Moulton in Oz, chat to Michael Kater. Would you mind posting some pics on your PBPs please or start a new thread? Michael Kater Moulton Classic Bicycles: contact Michael Kater, ph 03 5348 7874, fax 03 53487974 Sydney Moultoneers meeting on the third weekend of every even month. Paul Copeland 02 95247965 copeland@mail.smarkchat.net.au. Perth meeting for Moulton owners: Fremantle every second Sunday Geoff Law 08 94463196 geofflaw@bigpond.com. Melbourne Bicycle touring Club: Every Thursday night at the MBTC clubrooms at BV house. Adelaide Moultoneers: Sam Powrie 08 8449 9902 savvas@newave.net.au |
correct me if i am wrong but isn't narrower tire supposed to be faster than wider tire as what is mentioned on this article :
Why do road bikes have such narrow tires? Road bikes have skinny tires because they are fast. The narrow profile creates less contact with the road and thus less rolling resistance. Moreover, the lighter weight wheels require a lot less energy to drive and accelerate. |
Originally Posted by vmaniqui
(Post 11787671)
correct me if i am wrong but isn't narrower tire supposed to be faster than wider tire as what is mentioned on this article :
Why do road bikes have such narrow tires? Road bikes have skinny tires because they are fast. The narrow profile creates less contact with the road and thus less rolling resistance. Moreover, the lighter weight wheels require a lot less energy to drive and accelerate. As someone explained to me in another thread, very high pressure tires can also have negative effects on speed, if they make the ride too bumpy, making you bounce around too much on the bike. That costs you energy. So high pressure tires are only good on smooth roads. |
Originally Posted by vmaniqui
(Post 11787671)
correct me if i am wrong but isn't narrower tire supposed to be faster than wider tire as what is mentioned on this article :
Why do road bikes have such narrow tires? Road bikes have skinny tires because they are fast. The narrow profile creates less contact with the road and thus less rolling resistance. Moreover, the lighter weight wheels require a lot less energy to drive and accelerate. |
Originally Posted by stevegor
(Post 11787009)
LWaB,
Would you mind posting some pics on your PBPs please http://frank.harvard.edu/~coldwell/b...rg/moulton.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1360/...b830328dce.jpg |
i wanna buy a folding bike too.
oyama have you heard about it? |
Originally Posted by LWaB
(Post 11788433)
I rarely take photos during long brevets but here are a couple of photos found with a Google image search.
http://frank.harvard.edu/~coldwell/b...rg/moulton.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1360/...b830328dce.jpg I envy your achievements..... and your proximity to France for the PBPs One day...... one day!! |
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