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If stopped in an "academic setting" just tell them it is part of an ongoing research study about viable personal mobility devices in a post peak oil environment with regards to multimodal transit and urban space :)
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There's is a couple of things you can do...
If you don't want loose sight of your Brompton, buy the "B Bag" that goes with it. The bag allow you to carry your Brompton out of view from others just like a bag pack. I don't think anyone will really deny you entrance to a class with that, unless you're not allowed to bring any bags at all (like in some libraries). It's also handy with bad weather, because not many will be too happy if you bring a muddy bicycle inside. On the Brompton a normal ringlock can be fitted, look for example for an "Axa Defender" lock. Some models allow you to also insert a steel cable into the lock, in order to secure your bike to a solid object. Another type of lock that goes well with folding bikes, is the folding lock like the "Abus Bordo". These types of locks are very rugged and fold down to a very small size. Another fun lock you could use on your bike are the "Masterlock Streetcuffs". Designed like handcuffs, they can keep your bike safe too. The trouble with many folding bikes however is that they have lots of adjustable components. So even if you secure your frame to a bike rack, your seatpost e.g. might still be vulnerable to theft. So you have to really consider if you like to expose your expensive Brompton to 'hazards' like that. Personally I would prefer to keep my folding bike with me, whenever I can. And I think you can easily bring one into a class room, especially when it is covered. |
I'm not sure wheeling a bike from class to class would be all that practical, it's quite a different scenario from taking it into the workplace and being able to lock it in an office / under a desk.
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If stopped in an "academic setting" just tell them it is part of an ongoing research study about viable personal mobility devices in a post peak oil environment with regards to multimodal transit and urban space Thanks again for everyone's input! Really appreciated. I'm still considering two things, really. This would be one of them:
Originally Posted by chagzuki
(Post 12611599)
I'm not sure wheeling a bike from class to class would be all that practical, it's quite a different scenario from taking it into the workplace and being able to lock it in an office / under a desk.
My other concern is how well the bike rolls while covered. I know many of you think I could get by without covering, but I can think of a couple buildings where a cover would be necessary. Besides, I'd just rather not draw that much attention to myself. So: Is the Brompton easy to roll with the cover bag over it? Can you stick the seat out of the bag while it's covered to help push it or am I going to be leaning over to push the bike along? |
I strongly suggest you having a beater for US$80 or less.
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Originally Posted by 14R
(Post 12611891)
I strongly suggest you having a beater for US$80 or less.
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I reckon you should start with a used Citizen Tokyo if you can get one for a very low price, and maybe upgrade a couple of bits to improve the ride slightly. Or a Dahon boardwalk or Downtube etc., anything that's basically cheap and cheerful enough to be a folding beater and can be left outside without the dread of losing a massive sum of money.
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If you do go down the Brompton route by using the telescopic seat post you have another rolling option (on rack and easy wheels) as you can have the main seat post lowered (which locks the fold) then extend the upper part as handle to push the bike. This would work with the cover, I think. I made my own telescopic seat post which, having misjudged the shim size, didn't work out as cheaply as I hoped. . . but I chose a longer upper section which extends to a comfortable height for me to roll.
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Originally Posted by fumblewhat
(Post 12607766)
Hey all,
I'm starting graduate school in a few months, and after a month or two of research on folding bikes, I'm looking at getting a Brompton. Here's my question. I don't see how I could lug the thing into my (small, seminar style) classes, and its unlikely I'll be able to bring it into the library -- where I'll be spending a lot of my time. So that means I'll be locking it to the campus bike racks for 2-6 hours at a time. Is there any lock that would make this a good idea? I'm not going to be in a big city -- it's a college town, and I'll only be leaving it out during daylight hours... But is this just a recipe for a stolen bike? What do you think? |
OK. Vik has the right idea. Think laterally. Is it really a choice between "carry this everywhere" and "lock it somewhere where it will get stolen" ?
There are no lockers, for bikes, or other large items to rent on your campus ? There are no places where bikes are under the surveillance of campus security, direct, or not direct ? Is there a campus cycling society/collective of some kind that will advise you ? Speak to campus security to see if bike stealing is a problem, or if there are particular places where locked bikes do/do not get stolen. It is a tricky one. Otherwise, as I recommended to someone else, if it is a question of multimodal get two beaters. One to ride to the station from home and leave locked there, one for the station-campus-station journey at the other end. If either gets stolen, no big deal. |
Originally Posted by cloudrider
(Post 12609844)
Thanks for this thread. Like the OP, I've been looking at folders (though not Bromptons) with some doubts about their convenience.
What do you do with a folder while you're grocery shopping? Put it in your shopping cart? Carry it with one hand and push the cart with the other? If you have to use the restroom, do you take the bike in with you along with your backpack? Seems like a lot to juggle. And couldn't a folder get swiped just as readily from under a desk or restaurant table as from a bike rack outside? I'm just trying see all angles before taking the plunge. I do like the folder concept. FYI, I'm looking at the Dahon Speed Uno. i've found that people are far nicer and accommodating than i ever imagined they'd be. i bring mine into restaurants and i either put it next to me at the table or they've offered to stash it for me, without me even asking. this has happened in clothing stores too. but, some movie theaters are not so accommodating. but, i've found a movie theater that is and i go there when i can. i also roll my bike around with the seatpost extended. it's fine. i gave up driving a year ago and at first i was a little annoyed by the entire process of folding, etc. then i realized that it's just another set of things to do. if i were driving, i'd have to find a space to park, park, then set the alarm, etc. i just had to change my mentality about some things. and you have to think that stealing let's say your folded dahon from a restaurant would be interesting. first, everybody at the rest would know it's not theirs cuz all eyes were on you when you brought it in. and, the thief would have to fumble with it to steal it. most thieves like a clean easy getaway. a folded 20" wheeled bike sitting in a restaurant would not be so clean a getaway, imo - unless, he was a folding bike specialist. i fold mine up at put it under my desk at work every day - somebody would have to reach under my desk and take it. again, unless they are a folding bike specialist thief, they won't really know how to unfold it or carry it so easily away. plus, everybody knows this is my bike. lol. i'm the only one who frickin commutes (partly) on a bike. i'm not saying you won't have to make adjustments, but i prefer the lifestyle i have now to the one i had before. |
Originally Posted by allroy71
(Post 12610613)
Check out the Tikit. It looks easy to roll with the cover on.
http://bikefriday.com/tikit |
Originally Posted by chagzuki
(Post 12611599)
I'm not sure wheeling a bike from class to class would be all that practical, it's quite a different scenario from taking it into the workplace and being able to lock it in an office / under a desk.
If you're worried about wrangling your bike and a backpack or other luggage at the same time, I strongly suggest getting the integrated front luggage system. That is the best thing ever, I swear. I have the Brompton S-bag for everyday use and a bigger Carradice bag. I also added a Klickfix seatpost mount and a Klickfix basket for the times when I really need to haul stuff. If you're concerned about the price, ask Folderfanatic about making your own luggage that will work with the front luggage system. She also makes a nifty bike cover (which she very kindly gave me one of!), and I'm pretty sure that with a little cutting and sewing, you can modify it to have a hole on top that you can poke the saddle out of. The official Brompton cover does have a hole that you can use for that purpose, as shown in this video: |
Originally Posted by nekohime
(Post 12626109)
ask Folderfanatic about making your own luggage that will work with the front luggage system |
I just wheel my bike into class everyday, every time. I was stopped once at the science library, but the second I said "University policy states that it's-" the guy let me through saying that he didn't know most of these policies. You can always just pose the question to the transportation/parking office (since they usually handle the bike stuff) and ask if there is anything preventing you from bringing the folded bike in, and they're likely to tell you that there's nothing saying you can't. The bike probably only takes up a very small space in the corner of the room, so I don't think anyone is really going to care that much. |
OP, how about one of these?
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Originally Posted by nekohime
(Post 12626109)
. If you're concerned about the price, ask Folderfanatic about making your own luggage that will work with the front luggage system. She also makes a nifty bike cover (which she very kindly gave me one of!), and I'm pretty sure that with a little cutting and sewing, you can modify it to have a hole on top that you can poke the saddle out of. The official Brompton cover does have a hole that you can use for that purpose, as shown in this video:
As for price, I don't want to elaborate it here as I don't want Nekohime know how much her gift was. Suffice to say, doing it yourself is a real money and sometimes even time saver (you don't have to wait around for it to be delivered or go to the dealer to buy one).
Originally Posted by bendembroski
(Post 12626210)
Ok. I'm intrigued. Does this involve modifying the bag or making a special rack?
Originally Posted by 14R
(Post 12611891)
I strongly suggest you having a beater for US$80 or less.
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Originally Posted by cloudrider
(Post 12630418)
OP, how about one of these?
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I live midtown, NYC. There are places where I simply cannot or do not want to go indoors with my Birdy or wife's Brommie. Trader Joe's, Metropolitan Hardware, Museums, etc. I have a 3.5 foot Fuggedaboutit Kryptonite chain attaching the frame to secure racks + a cable through the wheels and through the seat. The cable can be snipped if thief wants to bother with the evident tangle. But the chain must be attacked with a grinder (est. time is about 4 minutes.) Even in NYC, that's a little much for busy daylight environment.
I have a well-fitted backpack, but sometimes I transport the heavy chain in a bungied sack on my rear carrier. This is about fairly limited, just several mile, distances, not touring. So don't jump to the conclusion that folders are unlockable and only an idiot would ever have a reasonable occasion to lock. I haven't had the bike that long, and if it's stolen this thread will be the first to learn of it along with my apology. Until then, use common sense, spend the $ for a chain, and enjoy. |
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12635332)
I live midtown, NYC. There are places where I simply cannot or do not want to go indoors with my Birdy or wife's Brommie. Trader Joe's, Metropolitan Hardware, Museums, etc. I have a 3.5 foot Fuggedaboutit Kryptonite chain attaching the frame to secure racks + a cable through the wheels and through the seat. The cable can be snipped if thief wants to bother with the evident tangle. But the chain must be attacked with a grinder (est. time is about 4 minutes.) Even in NYC, that's a little much for busy daylight environment.
I have a well-fitted backpack, but sometimes I transport the heavy chain in a bungied sack on my rear carrier. This is about fairly limited, just several mile, distances, not touring.
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12635332)
So don't jump to the conclusion that folders are unlockable and only an idiot would ever have a reasonable occasion to lock. I haven't had the bike that long, and if it's stolen this thread will be the first to learn of it along with my apology. Until then, use common sense, spend the $ for a chain, and enjoy.
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Originally Posted by folder fanatic
(Post 12635534)
Folding bikes are very lockable. . . but why go through the extra expense of buying this type of bike. . . if you are going to treat it just like any other bike? .
As a general impression, I'd say there is a strong bias against even discussing folder security beyond the "fold-and-carry" strategy. There's almost a sense that locking violates the "spirit" of folder bikes. Likewise, the very helpful sales people at several shops I visited all discouraged any detailed discussion of locking. I'm not being cavalier about security and theft, but I'd discourage anyone from buying a folder (or car, or cellphone, whatever) unless factoring into the cost sensible security options----and these might include owning more than one locking choice to suit different circumstances and uses. The expense of owning a helmet or night lights should not be not contingent on the rider's personal wealth or value of the bike. In this respect, making full use of a bike on a college campus requires, IMO, the option of a beefy locking system. |
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12637227)
Folders are lockable. That was my point. Further, there are many reasons for owning one besides that fact that you can carry them, like a precious child, wherever you go. And the alternative need not be to leave the bike at home. I am fresh off of my early-newbie purchasing experience so I'm speaking from that perspective (compare my 5 posts here with the 2,428 from Folder Fanatic,) but sometimes a beginner's eye picks up a point or two neglected by old timers.
As a general impression, I'd say there is a strong bias against even discussing folder security beyond the "fold-and-carry" strategy. There's almost a sense that locking violates the "spirit" of folder bikes. Likewise, the very helpful sales people at several shops I visited all discouraged any detailed discussion of locking. I'm not being cavalier about security and theft, but I'd discourage anyone from buying a folder (or car, or cellphone, whatever) unless factoring into the cost sensible security options----and these might include owning more than one locking choice to suit different circumstances and uses. The expense of owning a helmet or night lights should not be not contingent on the rider's personal wealth or value of the bike. In this respect, making full use of a bike on a college campus requires, IMO, the option of a beefy locking system. The other thing to consider is what do you do if you run into someone who absolutely won't let your folder in with you? Better to have a good backup plan for when, not if, this happens. I say, bring it in with you whenever it's reasonable to do so. The rest of the time, lock it sensibly. You're still signifincantly migtigating the risk of having your bike nicked even if you can only bring it in with you half the time. |
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12637227)
Folders are lockable. That was my point. Further, there are many reasons for owning one besides that fact that you can carry them, like a precious child, wherever you go. And the alternative need not be to leave the bike at home. I am fresh off of my early-newbie purchasing experience so I'm speaking from that perspective (compare my 5 posts here with the 2,428 from Folder Fanatic,) but sometimes a beginner's eye picks up a point or two neglected by old timers.
As a general impression, I'd say there is a strong bias against even discussing folder security beyond the "fold-and-carry" strategy. There's almost a sense that locking violates the "spirit" of folder bikes. Likewise, the very helpful sales people at several shops I visited all discouraged any detailed discussion of locking. I'm not being cavalier about security and theft, but I'd discourage anyone from buying a folder (or car, or cellphone, whatever) unless factoring into the cost sensible security options----and these might include owning more than one locking choice to suit different circumstances and uses. The expense of owning a helmet or night lights should not be not contingent on the rider's personal wealth or value of the bike. In this respect, making full use of a bike on a college campus requires, IMO, the option of a beefy locking system. To answer another question bought up here. If they dont let me in with it i would just would not go in. However ive not had that experience. Ive been only questioned once and when i offered to cover it which i dont usually do they said go ahead. Ive taken it everywhere,even places you would guess would not allow it like movies, museums. Some places you just check it at coat check,one can get creative about it. However there probably are some folders that dont fold as small as a Brompton where one might have trouble. I cant say from experience that way. |
This site has helped me feel more confident--even assertive--about taking my folder indoors in a variety of circumstances. That, of course, is a major (but not only) benefit of a folder. However, in the short time I've owned one, a lock and chain has been a deal-breaker several times: either because of cramped and crowded spaces or not wanting to bother with interactions of a doorman or coat checker. I'm also familiar with many college campuses. Owning a lock and chain doesn't mean it has to be used all the time, but when thinking about the OP's question, I can imagine many instances when carrying the extra weight would be preferable to squeezing into some college environments with a Brompton, small as it is.
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Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12637227)
Folders are lockable. That was my point.
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12637227)
Further, there are many reasons for owning one besides that fact that you can carry them, like a precious child, wherever you go. And the alternative need not be to leave the bike at home. I am fresh off of my early-newbie purchasing experience so I'm speaking from that perspective (compare my 5 posts here with the 2,428 from Folder Fanatic,) but sometimes a beginner's eye picks up a point or two neglected by old timers..
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12637227)
As a general impression, I'd say there is a strong bias against even discussing folder security beyond the "fold-and-carry" strategy. There's almost a sense that locking violates the "spirit" of folder bikes. Likewise, the very helpful sales people at several shops I visited all discouraged any detailed discussion of locking..
Originally Posted by MartinOne
(Post 12637227)
I'm not being cavalier about security and theft, but I'd discourage anyone from buying a folder (or car, or cellphone, whatever) unless factoring into the cost sensible security options----and these might include owning more than one locking choice to suit different circumstances and uses. The expense of owning a helmet or night lights should not be not contingent on the rider's personal wealth or value of the bike. In this respect, making full use of a bike on a college campus requires, IMO, the option of a beefy locking system.
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