Scratch that it's still more $800 + shipping
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Originally Posted by thugpipe
(Post 17020431)
Well I guess if you want a 451 mini velo of this style there is always the one guy still selling the soma on ebay by the time you built up the wheels and bought the nano you would probably come out about even with that cost anyway.
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Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17020780)
no, i just became curious about the history of the nano when i saw that pic of the prototype version. also, if you'll recall, i was basically shouted off this thread a few months back when i suggested the soma was a much better value purchase than the nano (when it was selling for 5-600). looks like there are only a couple remaining now.
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Originally Posted by thugpipe
(Post 17020792)
I do recall that discussion but this is a very different problem, the last discussion was of value and the superiority of one over the other this is a matter of one bike fitting a particular criteria that the other is ill suited to or unable to accommodate. I will say what I said then each bike has its place and each has its own strengths/weaknesses. Personally I prefer 406 wheels
personally, i would prefer a bike that can run both 406 and 451 wheelsets. anyway, the primary failing (for me) of both the soma and especially the nano, is the too short wheelbase. http://www.ecovelo.info/images/brompton-soma-485.jpg |
Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17020876)
i agree.
personally, i would prefer a bike that can run both 406 and 451 wheelsets. anyway, the primary failing (for me) of both the soma and especially the nano, is the too short wheelbase. http://www.ecovelo.info/images/brompton-soma-485.jpg |
User @bigbenaugust was selling a Shetland awhile back, which he may still have, and may be able to say if it runs 451s.
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Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17022965)
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Originally Posted by chaadster
(Post 17022297)
User @bigbenaugust was selling a Shetland awhile back, which he may still have, and may be able to say if it runs 451s.
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Smallwheeler,
Have you checked out the biria mini 20? That has 451 wheels and it looks like a long wheelbase with longer chain stays more like your image. I keep meaning to test ride one over at HUB in the west villiage. |
Here's my mini-velo. When I bought my Loopwheels last year I looked all over for a suitable mini-velo frame to put them on. Preferred something like a Cannondale Hooligan. I wanted a bike with regular MTB-type ergonomics, not something that felt like a mini-bike, but kept running into problems with BB height. This bike(Pure Fix Chief) solved my problems. It's a fixed-gear freestyle bike, with an elevated BB. I used a generic 29r fork from Nashbar and didn't even have to change crankarms(175). The Chief is around $400 and built like a tank, and has 120mm rear spacing for SS or IGH. I think a hot set-up would be one of the auto 2sp wheels from Respect Cycles($150 w/coaster brake) and maybe a long 20" tire suspension fork. I'm really happy with the results; it's roomy like a "regular" bike(I'm 5'10") and I can easily rotate the BMX-type handlebars for a different feel.
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Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17022965)
http://www.01bike.com/minibero/img/1...-206-16r_4.jpg |
Originally Posted by thugpipe
(Post 17023459)
Looks quite a bit like the frame I was planning on making, with the addition of post mounts for disc brakes although the chain stays look very long. What are you basing the geometry on?
this is my first attempt at this, so if i am way off base in understanding the principles here, please correct me. https://i.imgur.com/HyJg0Z6.jpg |
Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17026658)
i'm envisioning a bike that is essentially a dual purpose city bike with an aggressive headtube angle and shallow fork rake for responsive handling in traffic and rapidly shifting pathways. this bike would also have a long wheelbase for stability, comfort and improved handling.
this is my first attempt at this, so if i am way off base in understanding the principles here, please correct me. https://i.imgur.com/HyJg0Z6.jpg Did you shift everything forward just change the weight distribution for your rear rack? I have always wanted to mock up an adjustable test frame to try some things out. If you end up building it Id love to see it in person you are roughly in my neighborhood. |
Originally Posted by thugpipe
(Post 17026945)
Well exact same wheelbase as my bully. You must be much taller than me based on your seat height but you are going to be positioned way forward and much higher I'd be very careful under heavy braking, I already have to slide back past the seat regularly to counter balance. My bike has a very aggressive stance and is great in tight traffic but I have 5° shallower head tube(72°), never ridden any bike with as steep of a steerer as you show, I have no idea if its a good thing or a bad one. My silvertip has 1° steeper steerer (73°) and I am very slightly forward in comparison to the bully and it does not feel as stable at speed with little aid to low speed maneuvering but that could be any number of things.
Did you shift everything forward just change the weight distribution for your rear rack? I have always wanted to mock up an adjustable test frame to try some things out. If you end up building it Id love to see it in person you are roughly in my neighborhood. i think it's an optical illusion that everything looks shifted forward. i'm definitely going to commission a bike build. of course, there will be a lot of refinement prior to. actually, i have several virtual bikes that have been kicking around in my head for awhile. i suppose i should commit to one concept and develop it to completion... after putting a few thousand miles on a brompton and recently having the opportunity to ride a bridgestone moulton, it's pretty much confirmed for me that sir alex and mr. ritchie were definitely on to something. i really love this wheel size. consequently, i also have a few ideas for 349 builds.. https://i.imgur.com/ADlhHAg.png |
Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17027076)
yep. the seatpost is 10cm too high. as i said, this is a doodle. i did it very quickly as an ideation exercise. the basic concept is what i was going for. however, i agree with what you say re: the headtube angle. what i was attempting was a combination of the maneuverability and handling of a polo bike with the stability and comfort of, say, a moulton.
i think it's an optical illusion that everything looks shifted forward. I was basing the observation about the riding position being shifted forward, purely on the numbers, in comparison to my bike the seat and the BB are pushed 3" forward and the bars are 2" further from the seat (5" forward of mine) and I take a pretty aggressive riding position. I realize it is just a rough just though I would contribute my 2 cents I want to attempt a custom frame myself, so far I have a set of surly dropouts and a set of handle bars.... someday I will get there. I have never even seen a moulton in person but man I want one, right up there with the tyrell CX |
Originally Posted by thugpipe
(Post 17027303)
so you are much closer to my height than I thought.
I was basing the observation about the riding position being shifted forward, purely on the numbers, in comparison to my bike the seat and the BB are pushed 3" forward and the bars are 2" further from the seat (5" forward of mine) and I take a pretty aggressive riding position. I realize it is just a rough just though I would contribute my 2 cents I want to attempt a custom frame myself, so far I have a set of surly dropouts and a set of handle bars.... someday I will get there. I have never even seen a moulton in person but man I want one, right up there with the tyrell CX http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...3b0967d536.jpg |
Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17027546)
thanks, man. i appreciate your input. we should probably return this thread to its regularly scheduled programming, though. maybe i will start another thread about mini design or just pm you if you're interested.
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...3b0967d536.jpg Feel free to contact me and as always I would look forward to any thread you start. Thanks for keeping it interesting up in here |
Originally Posted by thugpipe
(Post 17027570)
Point taken, we have drifted a bit far.
Feel free to contact me and as always I would look forward to any thread you start. Thanks for keeping it interesting up in here http://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bi...-minivelo.html http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3388/...b8d28d.jpg?v=0 |
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Nevermind Progressive; I used to see them available on Rakuten, but now cannot find anywhere.
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Originally Posted by smallwheeler
(Post 17018554)
i saw this - clearly a completely different mercier "nano" with a much longer wheelbase. can anyone here explain this?
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...o_blk_2100.jpg this is the very short wheelbase version that everyone seems to be buying: http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...nano/nano1.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...6/DSCN0898.jpg Its an optical illusion ... look at the head tubes with the shifters on them, also the space between thereat wheel and chainring ... There are only 2 sizes available. Most people are over 5 ft tall... so, there are more 53cm bikes out there AKA the "very short wheelbase" ones. http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...geo_chart.html The bigger(taller) is has longer wheelbase. |
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Originally Posted by martinus
(Post 17222411)
My pics from pg 7 are gone, so here is a recent one.
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personally, i would prefer a bike that can run both 406 and 451 wheelsets. the BD minivelo doesn't come that way , but, a Bike Friday could be BTO with those features. What wheelset are those ? Can they be fitted with 10 speed cassette? |
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