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Folders with belt drive (Abio Verdion)?

Old 05-17-11, 07:30 AM
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Folders with belt drive (Abio Verdion)?

I am looking for a folder that has a belt drive system and is 26lbs or lighter (I do not want a Strida and the Carbon Drive Tikit is way out of my price range). As far as I know there are not many folders out there that meet this description (if you know of any please feel free to list them). I was seriously considering (and I'm still interested in) the Dahon Mu XL Sport w/ the Gates Belt Drive sold by ThorUSA but it appears that they are not currently for sale (if that is not the case please let me know). That leaves the Abio Verdion. It has been awhile since anyone has commented on the board about this folder. How do people like it? I read the review posted on the board but was hoping to get a more up to date view on the Verdion. How is the build quality of the bike, how does it ride? Has anyone had any maintenance issues with the bike? I am used to my Brompton M2L so the fact that the Verdion has two additional speeds is not an issue for me. I read that I can add fenders if needed (is that still the case?). How is the folding/unfolding process? Anything else I should know? If I should be considering other manufacturers and models feel free to offer some options.

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Check out this site:

https://beltbik.es/bikes

BTW, the two-speed Strida is surprisingly good; the riding experience is rather different from the regular Strida.
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Thanks for the link. Interestingly enough, the Verdion is not even on this list. I will look into the two-speed Strida. Anyone else still liking their Verdion?
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Yes, I'm still liking my Verdion. I ride it regularly around town for errands. It's a very sturdy bike. And the frame is large enough for me at 6'.

Mine is currently sporting the S2C two-speed hub. I like the simplicity of the two speed kick-back hub and coaster brake. I ride it around town for errands all the time.
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You don't see much fanfare or drama generated over the Verdion... I think those that have them just ride them.. I've never heard anyone complaining of a parts failure, broken spokes, cracked frame, or broken hinges.. my Verdion gets used almost every day.. it gets unfolded and folded every time I use it, as it lives in my truck .. hinges are excellent (double locking) and strong .. mine is pretty much stock with the Shimano 4spd hub .. I wore the Kenda tires off and have been running Schwalbe Marathon Plus (bike sees a lot of trails with nasty thorns).. maintenance has been very low .. the belt drive has been problem free .. it's a solid performer and rides well .. having owned an upgraded Strida (with the larger 355mm wheels), I can tell you there is a huge difference in riding quality.. the Abiobikes blog goes into a lot more detail from actual users (some on this board).. it's one of those bikes that just does the job intended without a lot of commotion..
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Originally Posted by bd6675
If I should be considering other manufacturers and models feel free to offer some options.

Thanks in advance,

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Although not a folder, a Moulton TSR-2 might work for you.. single kingpin bolt to separate the frame.. no cables to the back .. 2 speed coaster brake S2C hub .. legendary ride qualities .. not a lot more money than a 2 speed Strida.. Moulton TSR-2
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Thank you for the replies. BruceMetras, you added a Gates Carbon Drive to your Verdion, correct? If I may ask, what was your reason for making the switch?

What does the TSR-2 go for?
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How is the Verdion to carry when folded? I am not so concerned about the weight because I can get those specs but it makes a world of difference if there is an easy way to carry the bike while folded. My Brompton has a very convenient spot on the frame to pick up the bike and to carry it.
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Originally Posted by bd6675
Thank you for the replies. BruceMetras, you added a Gates Carbon Drive to your Verdion, correct? If I may ask, what was your reason for making the switch?

What does the TSR-2 go for?
I had access to the Gates Carbon Drive components and wanted to see how the system would fit the Verdion ... I ran it for awhile and then moved the system to another project and went back to the stock CDS drivetrain..

The Moulton TSR-2 new is $1895 .. I also have a demo in stock at a reduced price (full warranty would be in effect) .. PM me if at all interested.

The Verdion is not a bike you want to carry for any distance.. it is not a Brompton replacement in that regard at all.. it will roll when folded if you pay attention to the balance.. I think SesameCrunch shows this someplace on the web .. the folded bike will not come undone if you fling it around as the hinge locks it into place when folded and must be released to unfold.. same as with the handlepost ..
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I guess I should have qualified my statement about 2-speed Strida. It's great in an urban environment, allowing you to get in and out of tight spots (or even between vehicles if you dare) easily. For longer rides it's not that steady. I love my TSR 2 as well, but carrying its two separated frames up and down stairs or in and out of buildings can be cumbersome.
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Good stuff. BruceMetras, just wondering, did you notice any difference between the Gates and the CDS drivetrains?

Yeah, the TSR-2 seems to be out of my price range and from the descriptions may be a little more work that I am willing to put up with. I take public transit and need to have the ability to get the thing apart and back together quicky. It really seems like at the price point, I can't beat the Verdion as far as a belt drive folder goes
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Any ideas on who carries the Verdion at the best price?
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Originally Posted by bd6675
Any ideas on who carries the Verdion at the best price?
I would get a hold of Abiobikes and ask who is stocking one in your area .. or that you want to buy direct and if there are any specials running... maybe mention that you are a BikeForum member ..
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For owners of the Abio, does the hinge get in the way when you're pedaling? It corners on it looks really sharp.

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Originally Posted by charleychen
For owners of the Abio, does the hinge get in the way when you're pedaling? It corners on it looks really sharp.

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No, not an issue. The hinge has not been an issue, except when I notice that it's very robust. The wide flange makes it strong.
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The editor of wikipedia thinks that Abo Verdion and ixi are not notable belt-driven bicycles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=420487666

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Originally Posted by Amuro Lee
The editor of wikipedia think that Abo Verdion and ixi are not notable belt-driven bicycles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=420487666
There are 24 manufactures listed ... only - Gates - Bridgestone - Strida - and Trek were considered "notable" .. of the 20 manufactures listed that didn't make the "notable" list, you can still find fine offerings in a belt drive bike.. You don't have to be an 'impact' manufacturer to produce a nice bike... left off of the "notable" list was CDS (Cycle Drive Systems) .. they have provided belts and sprockets for many OEMs through the years .. one example, the new Moulton TSR-2 ...

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Originally Posted by BruceMetras
There are 24 manufactures listed ... only - Gates - Bridgestone - Strida - and Trek were considered "notable" .. of the 20 manufactures listed that didn't make the "notable" list, you can still find fine offerings in a belt drive bike.. You don't have to be an 'impact' manufacturer to produce a nice bike... left off of the "notable" list was CDS (Cycle Drive Systems) .. they have provided belts and sprockets for many OEMs through the years .. one example, the new Moulton TSR-2 ...
If the TSR-2 is not a notable belt drive bike, I guess I don't know what notable means...

That's the problem with Wikipedia and why I don't bother using it. You just don't know the credentials of the author.
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In the defense of Wikipedia ;-)

The note from that Andrew Dressel that performed the list reduction asks that if you consider any belt bike model to be notable, make sure first that it manufacturer has a Wikipedia entry (or write one if not). Abio does not have a Wikipedia entry and thus removed until somebody will bother to add one (does not need to be long or fancy). Moulton has an entry so anybody that thinks that TSR 2 is a notable belt model can go ahead and add it to the list.

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I called a couple of places that's on Abiobikes' website and none of them have the bikes in stock. It seems it doesn't move very well. If I purchase the bike and assuming the manufacturer goes out of business. How hard would it be for me to get parts? I'm a relative bike newbie, so the parts listed on the Abiobikes' website doesn't give me an idea if they are easily obtainable.

Secondly, if I were to purchase a Dahon MU SL, how hard would it be to convert it to a belt driven system? I know an XL would be easier, but I may be able to get an SL for around the same price. I figure if I start with lighter parts, I would have a lighter bike Would it be something that I can do myself? From the ThorUSA website, it looks like a couple of extra spacers are needed, but is it something that I can do myself?

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Originally Posted by charleychen
Secondly, if I were to purchase a Dahon MU SL, how hard would it be to convert it to a belt driven system? I know an XL would be easier, but I may be able to get an SL for around the same price. I figure if I start with lighter parts, I would have a lighter bike Would it be something that I can do myself? From the ThorUSA website, it looks like a couple of extra spacers are needed, but is it something that I can do myself?

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The XL frame has horizontal rear drop outs for chain tension of the hub .. like the Mu Uno ... the SL has vertical drops .. so with the SL, installing a belt drive would have some issues to be resolved. Problem with belt drive is getting the correct sprockets/cogs/belts to fit the bike and provide a decent gear range.. Thor's one-off XL was using an 8spd Shimano hub and was still geared very low because the Gates Carbon Drive parts used was the only combination that would fit the bike....

The hubs that make the most sense for belt drive conversions on small wheeled bikes start at a 1:1 gear ratio..(single speed - Sachs duomatic - SA duomatic - Shimano 4 speed - SA 8 speed ) .. once you have selected a hub and gear inch range you want to employ, then you hunt sprockets/cogs/belts to fit.. Gates Carbon Drive sell the parts over the counter to consumers (quite expensive), Cdrive sells their components only to OEMs .. belt drive conversions have their obstacles to overcome..
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Bike Friday recently began selling a tikit with carbon belt drive and 11-speed internal hub. I've not seen it or read much about it. Probably worth checking out. Tikits fold in maybe 1/4 minute and even my bigger, heavier Pocket Llama meets your weight requirement.
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Whoops - sorry. I didn't notice you had already ruled out the tikit based on price.
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