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Old 11-10-11, 11:27 AM
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20" Snow Tires?

Going to Minnesota for the holidays. Would like to bring my Boardwalk. Any tire suggestions? Right now I'm sporting 40-406 Kenda's (20x1.75") -- will the 47-406 Innova Snow Fox (20x1.50") even fit? Are there are others to consider? Am I overthinking this for just a few days' riding?

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Like $90-$100 for a set of SPECIALTY tires? Studded bike tires are not going to be of a whole lot of use in the Bay Area afterward.

Even if they fit, getting them on and off could be a challenge. What do your Minn. friends/relatives say? ...and, do you like riding a bike at 10 degrees and lower???

Maybe take a folding sled, instead?

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Hello,one of my raleigh 20`s came with really noisy bmx tyres,however,studded with screws and lined with an old slick tyre,i can ride over surfaces that cannot be walked upon.Please check the winter cycling forum for options.They cost about 3.
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Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
Going to Minnesota for the holidays. Would like to bring my Boardwalk. Any tire suggestions? Right now I'm sporting 40-406 Kenda's (20x1.75") -- will the 47-406 Innova Snow Fox (20x1.50") even fit? Are there are others to consider? Am I overthinking this for just a few days' riding?

thanks!
I would just ride the bike as is. Unless it's crazy icy in which stay inside and drink beer!
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totally agree. would you like to go biking in 10deg weather ? as what vik said, a bottle of beer in front of a fireplace may be even better....maybe there is a rantal bike out there. might be a cheaper option than buying yourself a snow tire.
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for a whole season the winter tires are absolutely GREAT
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/tires.htm#stelvio
for a week or two they are too expensive in my opinion

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Originally Posted by brakemeister View Post
for a whole season the winter tires are absolutely GREAT
https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/tires.htm#stelvio
(OT, hmm, you have anchors on your site, very nice, if you will make their links visible we will be able to use when referring to products on your site).
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well ..now u lost me Kamtsa what are anchors ..... the #stelvio behind the htm ?
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I have and enjoy the Schwalbe Marathon Winters in 20x1.60 - https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/1788
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See if you can rent a Surly Pugsley. https://surlybikes.com/bikes/pugsley Run the tires around 6lbs . Watch out for black ice.
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well ..now u lost me Kamtsa what are anchors ..... the #stelvio behind the htm ?
lemm know always trying ( at least ) to learn more
OT.

Yes, the #stelvio. In HTML anchors are <a> tags that allow to point a url into a predefined point in the page using the #... notation.

For example, see definition here https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_a.asp

Typically we post here a top page url of your site like https://www.thorusa.com/accessories/special.htm and let the reader scroll to the relevant product.
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IMO, the ride quality and rolling resistance is just terrible for schwalbe marathon winter in 20" size, but it's the best of the lot.
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Those snow tires are good for what snow height? A few inches? More?

A snow newbie here.
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168 studs sounds a bit aggressive, particularly for a small tire. Is it advisable to have more studs for smaller wheels, under similar road conditions? Are there are any less aggressive tires intended for winter, from reputable manufacturers?
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Rent a snowmobile and have some fun.
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Schwalbe Marathon Spikes, also in iso 406

Don't get r_ped by the US prices,

https://www.bike-components.de/produc...kereifen-.html
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Originally Posted by kamtsa View Post
Those snow tires are good for what snow height? A few inches? More?

A snow newbie here.


You mean a Surly Pugsley? Quite a few inches although it keeps getting harder/slower. If there is the right kind of crust on the snow you can ride over a surface that you'd sink into your knees. My Pugsley has 3.7" tires on 65mm rims which was the fat setup 3yrs ago...now the fat setup is 4.7" tires on 100mm rims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SYwCuHeohUw

Besides snow people are starting to realize these tires/wheels are actually great for straight up MTBing or MTB touring.

https://vimeo.com/25396162
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nobody is ripping anybody off.

The Dealer like me have to buy from Schwalbe America ....dealer cost is over 50 dlr if you buy 10 at a time and have them shipped slow mail. We dont do grey imports as we warranty the tires and stand behind it. Schwalbe sug retail price is 84.00 dlr
we sell them for 65 bucks ... plus 10 dlr shipping in the US ... the Shipping for tires cost me around 13 dlr instead of 10 ... whichmeans that my profit is 13 dlr per tire. deduct a couple percent for the payment options .... and the carton I need to buy to ship the tires ...
and you see that at least I dont get rich .... far away from ripping somebody off....

As I said we dont go behind our supplier and buy some questionable old stock or copies or or or we have the freshest rubber with the latest design and improvements.

In the german website it says that bulky items are not included, maybe they consider those tires bulky, I dont know. There is always somebody who sells some stuff cheaper.... the problem is that that somebody aint arount the next time you need something, and heavens beware if you have a problem with the purchased item.
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nobody is ripping anybody off.

There is always somebody who sells some stuff cheaper.... the problem is that that somebody aint arount the next time you need something, and heavens beware if you have a problem with the purchased item.
+100 - that won't stop the bargain hunters from complaining bitterly about the lack of customer support when they need it and don't get it!
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Actually I'm thinking about in-town riding, so I'm mostly concerned about ice. Here's a little link.

Think I'll follow vik's advice on the "keep the Kendas" though if it's super icy I'll probably go for a scotch and forego the beer.

Was going to bring my Bike Friday but folks are advising against narrower tires...
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cheap and simple solution https://inhabitat.com/make-snow-tires...with-zip-ties/
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those will work in snow...ice not so much ...
plus I kinda hate to loose all those plastic zipties all over the place, they will rip when you get on dry/wet road ...

PLUS they wont work if you have anything else than a kickback, disc, brake..... rim brakes will kinda rip them apart ...


the real deal will sound like oil in a frying pan but lasts even on dry roads for a long time.... in icy conditions, please be aware not to stop and put the foor down... the foot will slip and u sit on the ground ... its amazing how much grip those tires have
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The Dealer like me have to buy from Schwalbe America ....dealer cost is over 50 dlr if you buy 10 at a time and have them shipped slow mail. We dont do grey imports as
Wasn't aware of high domestic cost prices, but still this needs to be a negotiating point between you and Schwalbe. Many companies have revalued their pricing structure against Euro's strength and that should show up too here.

DHL has no issues on the shipping size that a tire would fit into so that's not a problem. Many people buy from Wiggle as well to avoid specific issues on how US pricing has been setup for some british marques like Brooks or carradice.

The point is is that if the Euro price is profitable in Europe (which means quite a bit, as you know being a native european), then it's too profitable in the US at the given price structure that's often 50% higher. I'm sure you've posed this question to them. What do the suppliers say? Euro::US price has been at worse than 1€:1.35$ for 4 years. Pricing tables are setup annually at worse.

B&M, Rohloff, Klickfix, Schwalbe, Continental, Schmidt, etc. all seem to have poor representation in the states.

The stand behind guarantee is moot. Actuaries will never tell you to pay 2x the price to pay for customer support for something warrantied for a one-two years and has a decent track record in itself (read : high quality product) . Support may be faster going back direct to DE for some of these products than dealing through a double middleman.
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Bookmarked! I'll drag along a cheap bag of ziplocs too. This t[strike]h[/strike]read has actually gotten me impatient to go out and try this stuff. If Oskar & I survive I'll post some pics in January
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