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daviddillard 06-12-23 07:02 AM

That was a suitcase I got with a Bike Friday, Samsonite F'Lite is the name, I think. I can check when I get back home. I took the whole bike apart, including the fork (I installed a headset with cartridge bearings to make this a bit easier). Probably more work than a Bike Friday, but not all that bad. Alex Wetmore has a good writeup about BF / SF alex wetmore's bicycle pages (phred.org)

honda99ex 07-15-23 07:24 PM

Old thread but can laffin_boy elaborate on where you got the custom stem post and fork? Jur had a recumbent one that they don't seem to have any more. I love the look but cannot source one.

I need some rise for my Xootr. I have the standard riser stem medium with a riser bar but it is not enough. I will try a generic stem extender from Amazon but hoping for a more elegant solution.

Can anyone else chime in
What are the specs of the stem post - inner diameter 1 1/8" threadless on the frame side? How far up does it have to be before tapering? Outer diameter 1 1/8" on the handle bar side?
Does anyone know if I can stick a star nut in the top and it will still be structurally safe? If so I can maybe use a velo orange cigne stem but it requires the star nut...
Any other makers of folders - Dahon etc that use a stem post that is similiar so I can try to buy one of those as a substitute?
Any custom makers of stem posts?

Help!!!
Just can't get comfortable

foldup 09-19-23 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by daviddillard (Post 22914720)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b0ca7bafc7.jpg
Green Swift FolderMy recently completed Swift Folder project! This is a converted Xootr Swift, powdercoated here in Louisville with a new old stock decal set from Peter Reich. Weighs about 21-22 pounds, even with the generator hub/light combo.

Dura ace rear hub / rear derailleur
SON edelux front dynamo hub
B&M Lumotec IQ Fly Senso Plus Light
XTR ti rear cassette 11-30
Velo Orange 110 BCD Crank/chainring 44
Tioga X Spec Sigma tires / Velocity Rims
Modified Volae Recumbent Stem Riser
LitePro 33.9 seatpost
LitePro brakes and levers

Other goodies I can't remember.
Rides great, took it on vacation in Costa Rica last winter (in a suitcase) rode the Pacific side beaches with it.
Super riding bike.

David Dillard
Louisville

looks really nice, your work makes me think of Raleigh Twenty updates/grades

daviddillard 05-08-24 08:21 AM

Swift Folder for sale
 
I'm selling my Swift! I'll make special deal for list members. PM me.

David Dillard
Louisville

Swift Folder folding bike bicycle light fast stiff Xooter, packable travel bike | eBay

Pinigis 05-08-24 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by daviddillard (Post 23234646)
I'm selling my Swift! I'll make special deal for list members. PM me.

David Dillard
Louisville

Swift Folder folding bike bicycle light fast stiff Xooter, packable travel bike | eBay

You can get a new one with a 10-speed gear set (with a huge gear range) chromoly frame, and hydraulic disc brakes for around the same price once you factor in shipping and sales tax

daviddillard 05-10-24 07:28 AM

Steel or aluminum, disk/v-brakes, the choice is yours!

Pinigis 05-16-24 06:44 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25d3e46dc.jpeg
No packing materials do you can see better.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...16557a47f.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...10fc4212c.jpeg
The case is 30” x 20” x 12”.

The Origami Swift packs neatly into a suitcase

Jipe 05-16-24 10:31 PM

Seems a lot of work to dismount and remount the bike to put it in this suitcase, how long does it take to do it?

Pinigis 05-17-24 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Jipe (Post 23242307)
Seems a lot of work to dismount and remount the bike to put it in this suitcase, how long does it take to do it?

it is a similar process to the way BIKE Friday fits a bike into a suitcase. My first attempt took about 30 minutes but you can probably get it done in 20 to 25 or 15 to 20 if you leave off the rack and fenders.

Schwinnsta 05-17-24 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Pinigis (Post 23242430)
it is a similar process to the way BIKE Friday fits a bike into a suitcase. My first attempt took about 30 minutes but you can probably get it done in 20 to 25 or 15 to 20 if you leave off the rack and fenders.

I did it like you did yours, but I modified the rear fender so the part between the stays, stays on. You have to cut the fender and I don't have a rack, yet, any way.

ChiapasFixed 05-21-24 06:54 AM

Origami Swift on its way!
 
We just ordered a bike from Pingis. Should take about 10 days to make its way down here to southern Mexico. I’ll be doing an unboxing and first impressions video for anybody interested.
we’re planning a multi month Asia tour with my family of 4, and will be testing the Swift for that purpose, and may end up ordering one for each!
Anybody done any extended touring or bike packing on a Swift?

Ron Damon 05-21-24 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed (Post 23245464)
We just ordered a bike from Pingis. Should take about 10 days to make its way down here to southern Mexico. I’ll be doing an unboxing and first impressions video for anybody interested.
we’re planning a multi month Asia tour with my family of 4, and will be testing the Swift for that purpose, and may end up ordering one for each!
Anybody done any extended touring or bike packing on a Swift?

I've done several tours in Asia (Indonesia, Taiwan, South Korea), but not on a Swift. In fact, I just came back from South Korea where I rolled into the airport and within 15 seconds the bike was folded and ready to fly. I don't know why one would choose a Swift with its awkward, large, non-free-stading so-called "fold" for travel when a simple, competent bifold will do. Sorry.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d26ed9aaf.jpg
15-second fold and unfold
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Pinigis 05-21-24 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Ron Damon (Post 23246164)
I've done several tours in Asia (Indonesia, Taiwan, South Korea), but not on a Swift. In fact, I just came back from South Korea where I rolled into the airport and within 15 seconds the bike was folded and ready to fly. I don't know why one would choose a Swift with its awkward, large, non-free-stading so-called "fold" for travel when a simple, competent bifold will do. Sorry.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d26ed9aaf.jpg
15-second fold and unfold
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are you saying that your bike does not fit into a suitcase? Do you travel with it just in a soft carry bag?

Ron Damon 05-21-24 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by Pinigis (Post 23246172)
are you saying that your bike does not fit into a suitcase? ...

Why did you jump to that silly conclusion? Who said anything about the bike not fitting into a suitcase? If a Swift with its unique "fold" fits, why wouldn't a bifold?

Are you saying that the Or!gami Bull, Lotus, etc. do not fit into a suitcase?

ChiapasFixed 05-22-24 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by Ron Damon (Post 23246164)
I've done several tours in Asia (Indonesia, Taiwan, South Korea), but not on a Swift. In fact, I just came back from South Korea where I rolled into the airport and within 15 seconds the bike was folded and ready to fly. I don't know why one would choose a Swift with its awkward, large, non-free-stading so-called "fold" for travel when a simple, competent bifold will do. Sorry.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d26ed9aaf.jpg
15-second fold and unfold
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Nice bike! What model is that? you make a fair point, and if the top consideration was folding/packing size/time maybe the Swift wouldn’t be the best choice. It does offer other advantages though! Like a very solid and fast ride, the ability to carry full size panniers (I have to carry gear for 3!), bigger tire choices, and just versatility in general with very easy component swaps possible. The new swift does stay upright on the big rack in the folded position - oh, and disc brakes!

Ron Damon 05-22-24 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed (Post 23246257)
Nice bike! What model is that? you make a fair point, and if the top consideration was folding/packing size/time maybe the Swift wouldn’t be the best choice. It does offer other advantages though! Like a very solid and fast ride, the ability to carry full size panniers (I have to carry gear for 3!), bigger tire choices, and just versatility in general with very easy component swaps possible. The new swift does stay upright on the big rack in the folded position - oh, and disc brakes!

A 20" (406) wheel bi-fold will give you all of that, plus a quicker, more compact, free-standing fold.

The bike pictured earlier is an FnHon Gust 16".
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Schwinnsta 05-22-24 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Ron Damon (Post 23246258)
A 20" (406) wheel bi-fold will give you all of that, plus a quicker, more compact, free-standing fold.

The bike pictured earlier is an FnHon Gust 16".
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How do you know this? Have you ever owned or ridden a Swift?

ChiapasFixed 06-04-24 12:41 PM

Origami Swift unboxing and first impressions video
 
Here is my initial review of the new Swift!
full disclosure: On my request, Paul did give me a generous 15% discount when I told him of our plans to test and review the new Swift as a candidate for extended touring in the near future. This video is the first of possibly several long term reviews of this and other folders:


noteon 06-05-24 09:07 AM

That's really cool. I'm looking forward to seeing more about it.

procon 09-10-24 11:40 AM

Buy new Swift or fix up old one?
 
Hi all -- I wanted to get your advice on whether I should refurb my current Swift or sell it and get another one. My 13 year old Xootr Swift is designed for urban riding, with an 8 speed Shimano hub, Big Apple Tires and thick rims. Though the frame is fine, the bike is, at this point, well worn. Is it possible to retrofit my old bike with a derailer, or are there parts that are no longer available?

Because of space, I need it to be better for 25-60 mile rides, with thinner tires that I can fix a flat on the road. (I personally can'd do that on a hub gear, and certainly not quickly.) I also wouldn't mind greater gear range. It would be substituting for my thin tired aluminum road bike that has Shimano 105 components. I value gear range, speed, and a big cockpit.

Long-story short-- I'm deciding whether to sell my current bike and buy a new Origami Swift or retrofit my current bike with a derailer. I could get the full Origami bike or just the frame. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated!https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d8ace8e7.jpeg

SirLeaflock 09-10-24 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by procon (Post 23345511)
Hi all -- I wanted to get your advice on whether I should refurb my current Swift or sell it and get another one. My 13 year old Xootr Swift is designed for urban riding, with an 8 speed Shimano hub, Big Apple Tires and thick rims. Though the frame is fine, the bike is, at this point, well worn. Is it possible to retrofit my old bike with a derailer, or are there parts that are no longer available?

Because of space, I need it to be better for 25-60 mile rides, with thinner tires that I can fix a flat on the road. (I personally can'd do that on a hub gear, and certainly not quickly.) I also wouldn't mind greater gear range. It would be substituting for my thin tired aluminum road bike that has Shimano 105 components. I value gear range, speed, and a big cockpit.

Long-story short-- I'm deciding whether to sell my current bike and buy a new Origami Swift or retrofit my current bike with a derailer. I could get the full Origami bike or just the frame. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated!https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d8ace8e7.jpeg

does your bike have a derailleur hanger? If not that might make your decision for you right there.

seat_boy 09-11-24 04:52 AM

Xootr used to sell spare hangers (as of a few years ago), but I don't see them anymore: https://xootr.com/collections/clearance-items

GeezyRider 09-11-24 01:43 PM

A claw hanger might also work.

Schwinnsta 09-11-24 02:45 PM

It would be interesting to ask Pinigis. There maybe some commonality with Origami Swift. Worth a try?

procon 09-11-24 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23346483)
It would be interesting to ask Pinigis. There maybe some commonality with Origami Swift. Worth a try?

yup, I’ll ask, thanks!

Ron Damon 09-11-24 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by procon (Post 23346676)
yup, I’ll ask, thanks!

While you are at it, ask him for confirmation on the gearing range of the Swift. The product page says it "has the the widest gear range (26 to 99 gear inches) of any folding bike under $1,000.00" and "a 381% gear range", yet the spec sheet says the 1x drivetrain has an 11-40T, 364% cogset. I'm sure it's an innocent, inadvertent mistake because he's never tried to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, and he is always precise and punctilious with the facts.

daviddillard 09-12-24 11:29 AM

I think xootr still has some derailleur hangers. You have to call them and ask for them. They had a run of them that were not machined to spec and couldn't sell them, but all you have to do is file them down a bit and they mount fine. I used to have a few in my parts pile, but I let them go when I sold my Swift.

procon 09-16-24 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by daviddillard (Post 23347127)
I think xootr still has some derailleur hangers. You have to call them and ask for them. They had a run of them that were not machined to spec and couldn't sell them, but all you have to do is file them down a bit and they mount fine. I used to have a few in my parts pile, but I let them go when I sold my Swift.

Thanks David!

michael432000 09-16-24 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Ron Damon (Post 23246164)
I've done several tours in Asia (Indonesia, Taiwan, South Korea), but not on a Swift. In fact, I just came back from South Korea where I rolled into the airport and within 15 seconds the bike was folded and ready to fly. I don't know why one would choose a Swift with its awkward, large, non-free-stading so-called "fold" for travel when a simple, competent bifold will do. Sorry.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d26ed9aaf.jpg
15-second fold and unfold
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1. Ride quality.
2. My Swift folder is set-up to match my race bike position very closely.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6dd9491bff.jpg

Ron Damon 09-16-24 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by michael432000 (Post 23350459)
1. Ride quality.
2. My Swift folder is set-up to match my race bike position very closely.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6dd9491bff.jpg

I use to ride a fully triangulated Dahon Dash Alterna with drop bars, grifters and full Shimano 105 5800 on 451 wheels. The Altena actually folded, likely smaller and definitely neater than a Swift. That's what I'd get if I were looking for this experience. Sorry.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c66c74795.jpeg
Image for reference, not my old Altena


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