Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23393494)

If it were not for having these three bikes you mention in your post, I might come to the same conclusion.

For the pro's. Origami Swift has a steel frame, mine is a Xootr and aluminum frame. I have not ridden the Origami, but I would guess them ride similar due to the wide 2-inch tires. My preference would be steel, but I would not let that stop me. The Origami has hydraulic disc brakes that is a plus, and it has better components down the line. The Swift does not ride like road bike, at least in the 406 configuration. I am not sure about the Origami, but Xootr can take other size tires like 451 which I suspect would give it a ride closer to a rode bike. The ride as I have mine configured is closer to the Zizzo, but the frame has less flex, and it feels a little more responsive. In part due to the lack of a hinge in the top tube.

I prefer the Swift to the Zizzo for ride, I prefer the Zizzo to the Brompton for ride, only.

The fold on the Swift is fast. Faster even than the Zizzo. The fold is thinner, too. While I do like the fold of the Zizzo better, the fold is not that much better. What make the Zizzo a better fold IMO is that the handlebar folds inside the bike. If I were to replace the handlebar with a one piece bar I would get a stiffer ride but a worse fold since the bar would have to fold to the outside and I doubt if the magnets would reliably hold the bike in that fold. The seatpost locks the fold together on the Swift. I have Velcro straps on my top tube to hold the handlebar when folded.

As far as cost goes, consider that you are getting a steel frame, hydraulic discs, 10 speed (mine is 8), sealed bearing head tube, rack (maybe custom), fenders and wide tires. If you're looking for these features, and I would be, then the price is not so bad.

Originally Posted by RoadWearier (Post 23393745)

Certainly can't argue with someone who owns both! I guess the ease of fold was based on my experience with the Zizzo vs what I saw on YouTube for the Origami. I believe the owner/founder was doing the folding so if anyone can make it look easy, it should be him. It didn't. If I have to remove the seat post and handlebars/handlebar post, I'm not sure how that makes for an easy fold or a non-awkward carry. But, again, I don't own one so I guess I can't argue that point.

Originally Posted by pinigis (Post 23390376)

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we need to get information out there for the origami swift. If anyone in the us is interested in providing a review in exchange for a deep discount, contact paul@origamibicycles.com

Originally Posted by BikeLite (Post 23410616)

I was checking out the Origami Swift order page. When ordering there are two sizes, 5'0" - 6'0" and 6'0" - 6'4", and then the specs mention two type bikes, short option (suggested rider height 4'8" - 5'7") and tall option (suggested rider height 5'7" - 6'6"). The order sizes don't match the specs suggested rider heights.

At my height of 5'10" I would order the smaller size but then it might not fit, according to the specs.

Originally Posted by BikeLite (Post 23410616)

I was checking out the Origami Swift order page. When ordering there are two sizes, 5'0" - 6'0" and 6'0" - 6'4", and then the specs mention two type bikes, short option (suggested rider height 4'8" - 5'7") and tall option (suggested rider height 5'7" - 6'6"). The order sizes don't match the specs suggested rider heights.

At my height of 5'10" I would order the smaller size but then it might not fit, according to the specs.

Originally Posted by Pinigis (Post 23391162)

Anybody but Ron....literally ANYBODY but Ron.

Originally Posted by Ron Damon (Post 23449629)

So, what happened with this? Did you manage to lure recruit a healthy, able-bodied cyclist here to shill do an honest endorsement review at a deep discount?

Originally Posted by Jipe (Post 23449842)

Why are you continuously bashing the Swift?

Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23449914)

He is not bashing Swift. He is bashing Pinigis. Ron bashes people. Anyone who has a different opinion or does not kowtow to him.

Originally Posted by splithub (Post 23450084)

So it's having a different opinion if you get caught lying and fail to have that least expectable dignity to show any accountability? Interesting...

Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23449914)

He is not bashing Swift. He is bashing Pinigis. Ron bashes people. Anyone who has a different opinion or does not kowtow to him.

Originally Posted by splithub (Post 23450084)

So it's having a different opinion if you get caught lying and fail to have that least expectable dignity to show any accountability? Interesting...

Originally Posted by tds101 (Post 23453327)

I have the bike, and I haven't posted a review because of all the venom spewed by a certain individual who has issues with anyone who has a differing opinion of what they deem acceptable. That's not an opinion, it's fact. Discussion is one thing, but constantly having a "victim complex", and claiming everyone is in a "cult" if they don't buy what's not available in their prospective countries, all while bragging about how low the prices are where they live, that's a problem. And where did lying come into play? This forum is about sharing information, not constantly accusing others of racism and xenophobia, all while being the main proponent of the thing they attempt to blame others of doing.

Originally Posted by seat_boy (Post 23453451)

I would like to hear some reviews on this bike. I had a Xootr Swift, sold it, and now I kind of miss it. But I've heard from another Xootr owner that the new Origami Swift isn't of the same quality--he said the Origami Swift was quite a bit clunkier to fold than the Xootr.

Originally Posted by tds101 (Post 23453471)

It's definitely a different version than my Xootr Swift was. The rear rack needs to go IMO. Everything else seems sporty out of the box, considering the components aren't the highest spec'd. It does ride well, that I'll say. It's certainly not a true "commuter" bike. More of a destination ride, like our other forum member proved when he took it on a family vacation. I do like it, but it's a different animal. I feel like I'm riding a full sized bike when I'm on it. It's a solidly built beast. Very sporty...

Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23453503)

Interesting. Which model do you have? Could you elaborate on the rack? And what makes it not a "true" commuter bike?

Originally Posted by tds101 (Post 23453660)

I owned the original Xootr Swift (as I'd stated) w/a custom NuVinci CVT Hub rear wheel, and I sold it a few years ago. This bike is different as it's a similar fold but feels "different" due to the low quality rack, which makes it fold differently than the original fold. I also used the Xootr Crossrack to carry my stuff when riding. It's also a very stiff frame, which gives it a more solid feel to me, even though my Xootr Swift was also aluminum. The HollowTech style bottom bracket feels fantastic I will say, and the gearing is pretty good on flat ground.

As to why it's not a "true" commuter, I'll say that taking it on a LIRR train, which is always crowded, is impossible. The fold, as we all know, is nowhere near as compact as a bi or tri fold bike. I knew this going in. This bike is banned during peak hours of my commute, but ALL my other folders are allowed, including the Tern Joe P24 26" wheeled folder that I occasionally take with me to work. It's also not allowed on a NYC public bus. If you plan on throwing it in the car, or taking it on NYC trains, it's perfectly acceptable, but not for multi-modal commuting in crowded city environments, where space is at a premium, and travel restrictions are in place where bikes are concerned.

Originally Posted by seat_boy (Post 23453451)

I would like to hear some reviews on this bike. I had a Xootr Swift, sold it, and now I kind of miss it. But I've heard from another Xootr owner that the new Origami Swift isn't of the same quality--he said the Origami Swift was quite a bit clunkier to fold than the Xootr.

Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23453761)

I missed that it is a Xootr. When you said that it had a rack I thought it might be an Origami. So I wondered why you did not like it. My Xootr also came with the Croossrack. I did not like it either. I ended up making a Brompton luggage block mount for the front and a quick release beam rack with a Brompton block for the rear when I need more carrying capacity.

Your use of the term commuter bike puzzled me. I think you meant true multi modal bike. I never had any problems fitting mine in cars. I can fit mine in a suitcase with a little disassembly.

Originally Posted by tds101 (Post 23453817)

I purchased my Crossrack after I'd purchased my Xootr Swift, so it's something I got for my commute. My Origami Swift comes with the rear rack stock, and I'm not a fan. It's definitely an attempt at a Montague folding style setup, but misses the mark for implementation... And a "commuter bike" is a "multi-modal" bike and means it's compatible with mass transit rules and regs, so it's usually self-explanatory. I wanted minimal mods originally (with the Xootr Swift), and this isn't such a bike. This, IMO, is a performance bike. For what it is, it excels...

Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23453909)

I always appreciated that the Xootr could be so easily modified.

Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 23454053)

I was eyeing the Origami version as a keep-in-the-RV bike. I like the build. But I was definitely imagining a "sport" build without the commuter accessories and maybe a BMX handlebar. I did wish it had been aluminum. I just like aluminum bikes.

As it has turned out for family medical reasons we have had little dough and few RV trips since the Origami launched so it became kind of academic.

Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 23453761)

I missed that it is a Xootr. When you said that it had a rack I thought it might be an Origami. So I wondered why you did not like it. My Xootr also came with the Croossrack. I did not like it either. I ended up making a Brompton luggage block mount for the front and a quick release beam rack with a Brompton block for the rear when I need more carrying capacity.