Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Folding Bikes
Reload this Page >

Tern Frame Recall

Notices
Folding Bikes Discuss the unique features and issues of folding bikes. Also a great place to learn what folding bike will work best for your needs.

Tern Frame Recall

Old 08-19-15, 02:53 PM
  #76  
HGR3inOK
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Oklahoma, U.S.A.
Posts: 807

Bikes: Brompton H6L-X, Dahon Curve D3

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
FWIW, while one might propose that posting #58 in this thread was a general inquiry to the forum as a whole, it seems clear to me that I am the only one to whom it might have been specifically directed.

-HANK RYAN-
Norman, Oklahoma USA
HGR3inOK is offline  
Old 08-20-15, 08:06 AM
  #77  
downtube
Senior Member
 
downtube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 1,496

Bikes: Many Downtube Folders :)

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 279 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by mulleady View Post
Respectfully Yan, you are speaking as 'Downtube' (A folding bike brand) not as an 'academic'. Do you think that's fair?
I speak as a person with an opinion....so yes I think that is fair. You are welcome to disagree.

Thanks,
Yan
__________________
Designer of Downtube Folding Bike
Ph.D. Temple University ( Math )
Biked across the USA twice
Semi-active chess player ( two time Bahamas National Champion )
Sivananda ( Bahamas ) Trained Yoga instructor ( 2013 ) and ThetaHealer since 2013
Bicycle delivery worker for Jimmy John's. Delivering is the best workout I have ever had.
downtube is offline  
Old 08-20-15, 07:30 PM
  #78  
edwong3
Senior Member
 
edwong3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 843

Bikes: Ziyoujiguang T18 12 inch E-Bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 15 Posts
I haven't posted in this forum in a long time but after reading this thread, I am really flabbergasted at the manner in which a couple of you seem to have a problem with Dr Yan, and just won't back off. What does he have to do with Tern's frame quality issues being the owner of Downtube? Take a "chill pill" for goodness sake!

And just for the record, I remember posting somewhere on the forum a few years back about the over confidence a lot of people seem to have for "high end" bike manufacturers, and had mentioned the story of a fellow bike club member whose Bikefriday had snapped it's bottom bracket completely off while honking it up a hill. He was lucky to not have suffered a serious injury!

Word to the wise Just because you spent $1,000 plus for your "wonder bike", does not mean it's bullet proof. Inspect those welds carefully and often, especially if it's aluminum.

Be safe out there!
edwong3 is offline  
Old 09-07-15, 03:58 AM
  #79  
mulleady
The Metropolis, UK
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,353
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by edwong3 View Post
I haven't posted in this forum in a long time but after reading this thread, I am really flabbergasted at the manner in which a couple of you seem to have a problem with Dr Yan, and just won't back off. What does he have to do with Tern's frame quality issues being the owner of Downtube? Take a "chill pill" for goodness sake!

And just for the record, I remember posting somewhere on the forum a few years back about the over confidence a lot of people seem to have for "high end" bike manufacturers, and had mentioned the story of a fellow bike club member whose Bikefriday had snapped it's bottom bracket completely off while honking it up a hill. He was lucky to not have suffered a serious injury!

Word to the wise Just because you spent $1,000 plus for your "wonder bike", does not mean it's bullet proof. Inspect those welds carefully and often, especially if it's aluminum.

Be safe out there!
Before you start ranting and chastising others, perhaps you should be aware that it is not the done thing for one bike brand to get on another's case over a defect or bike recall. They should stay out of it. There is a huge difference expressing ones views as an individual with no vested interests and as a competitor.

As for your comment on people spending more and your warning. All brands experience recalls at some stage and some more than others. Cheap bikes are more prone to recalls (if they even bother in the first place to do that) statistically and carry inferior components.

This does not detract from the issue at hand that Tern have a problem to solve and I feel sorry for the people who have taken bad falls. I've always spoken well of Downtube to a point but I find Downtube's involvement on this thread distasteful and your rant misplaced edwong3.

Would you see anyone from Brompton, Birdy or Bike Friday getting involved here? No you wouldn't. I rest my case.

Last edited by mulleady; 09-07-15 at 04:02 AM.
mulleady is offline  
Old 10-02-15, 09:27 AM
  #80  
bugaboosun
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The Tern Forums have been closed, again. Hmmmm.
bugaboosun is offline  
Old 10-02-15, 11:28 AM
  #81  
BruceMetras
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Rafael, California
Posts: 2,097
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by bugaboosun View Post
The Tern Forums have been closed, again. Hmmmm.
Not really closed.. just read only .. can still view the articles through 22nd of Sept..
BruceMetras is offline  
Old 11-04-15, 04:29 PM
  #82  
Jfx
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
My 6 month old Eclipse P9 broke in half 18 months ago whilst I was cycling along a road. It was used for commuting to and from work along well paved surfaces.


I had the failed OCL welding inspected by a qualified third party before it was returned to Evans (the UK Tern dealer) and it was their opinion that the weld was not of a proper standard.


Evans absolutely refused to consider this opinion from the outset and maintained the frame had failed due to poor maintenance, despite admitting they did not have the required knowledge to comment on the quality of the welding. It appeared to me at the time that they were mostly concerned with absolving themselves of any responsibility for the accident, rather than investigating the failure with a professional, safety orientated view. After having to resort to contacting their Managing Director for a refund, I decided to put the whole sorry experience behind me. The only feedback I received from Tern at this time or since was that I should return the frame to Evans as soon as possible.


Someone at Evans didn't do their job properly - as earlier this week I received a product recall email from them advising me to stop riding my Tern and to return it to Evans as soon as possible. After phoning their help-desk, they confirmed the recall is due to a defective frame. I believe their initial refusal to consider that the accident could have been caused by a manufacturing defect may have lead to a delay in the product recall and I have reported them to Trading Standards for this.


I understand that it is inevitable that things will go wrong, but there obviously manufacturing flaws at Tern that must be addressed as these OCL welding failures are not so uncommon and span across different models.


I was lucky to walk away from my accident with cuts and bruises - but if the failures are not investigated openly, honestly and with rider safety as their primary concern, then some unlucky soul won't be walking away.
Jfx is offline  
Old 12-25-15, 01:59 PM
  #83  
edwong3
Senior Member
 
edwong3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 843

Bikes: Ziyoujiguang T18 12 inch E-Bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 15 Posts
I know this thread is rather old now but I could not ignore the reply that I got to my original post here from September 2015. First of all mulleady, I was not "ranting", but pointing out the obvious. The thread was turning into a battle ground, and the comments were becoming too personally charged. So no, the claim that I was "ranting and chastising others" is not legit. Anyone replying to my post with a negative spin practically put the spotlight on themselves, not me.

Yes, all brands can have their issues with recalls and such, but there is no statistical evidence that backs up your claim that "cheap brands" get far more recalls. Cheaper components do not last as long or perform as smoothly as top shelf one, that is true, but that does not present a safety issue unless it involves brakes that don't work properly at all.

The most significant issues that can cause serious injuries are those mostly related to frame joint failures, and that seems to be more prevalent to high end bikes due to the manufacturer attempting to keep the weight as low as possible. Less material, less weight, less strength. That comes at a price literally, and figuratively as it can compromise the frame's structural integrity. How about carbon fiber forks? Many stories abound those breaking at the most inopportune moments so I stand by my comment from my earlier post.

I grant you that no other bike manufacturers have jumped in this or other threads, but we don't know why or maybe is because they have more urgent matters to take care of rather than spending hours reading posts on Bikeforums.

Originally Posted by mulleady View Post
Before you start ranting and chastising others, perhaps you should be aware that it is not the done thing for one bike brand to get on another's case over a defect or bike recall. They should stay out of it. There is a huge difference expressing ones views as an individual with no vested interests and as a competitor.

As for your comment on people spending more and your warning. All brands experience recalls at some stage and some more than others. Cheap bikes are more prone to recalls (if they even bother in the first place to do that) statistically and carry inferior components.

This does not detract from the issue at hand that Tern have a problem to solve and I feel sorry for the people who have taken bad falls. I've always spoken well of Downtube to a point but I find Downtube's involvement on this thread distasteful and your rant misplaced edwong3.

Would you see anyone from Brompton, Birdy or Bike Friday getting involved here? No you wouldn't. I rest my case.

Last edited by edwong3; 12-25-15 at 02:04 PM.
edwong3 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
edelay
Folding Bikes
10
11-20-18 09:51 PM
NW Rider
Folding Bikes
2
04-22-13 11:33 AM
antsjack
Folding Bikes
11
10-19-11 02:27 PM
CrashDarby
Folding Bikes
20
07-27-11 12:33 PM
CrimsonEclipse
Folding Bikes
12
10-08-10 11:09 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.