For all us folders -- it's about time!!!
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For all us folders -- it's about time!!!
I just got this sent to me. California has passed a new law that requires motorists to give a three foot space between themselves and bicyclists. Its about time I say. I hope this and other laws spread like wildfire across the country. Its a step in the right direction. I would like to know, though, how are they are going to enforce that one. Do we as riders call the cops and say, "This guy/gal passed me at 2 1/2 feet. Here's his plate number, now go after him". All I can say is that's its both difficult for us riders and drivers. What I would like them to pass is a law that forbids other idiots from using the bike lane other than cyclists. Just this morning there was a jogger in the bike lane forcing me into traffic so as to get around the creep. There's a sidewalk so why can't these people use it. On many other occasions we get a lot of retired folk that think its a nice lane for going for a stroll. Pass a law to get these people off the bike lanes. I'm not about to made a fuss over it with these people. It isn't worth the aggravation. But I might start riding my bike on the sidewalk in future if this continues, and then let the police try and site me. He/she will get an ear full.
Just thought I would pass this on because there are many drivers out there that don't take riding a bike seriously, let alone those of us in their eyes who think we are on a child's bike because of its smaller size. We do get less respect than those who ride larger frame bikes. I don't think there is any doubt about that, depending, of course, where we live. Here in the #10 rated redneck city in America where I live, that be the case.
https://www.bicycletimesmag.com/conte...ot-passing-law
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Just thought I would pass this on because there are many drivers out there that don't take riding a bike seriously, let alone those of us in their eyes who think we are on a child's bike because of its smaller size. We do get less respect than those who ride larger frame bikes. I don't think there is any doubt about that, depending, of course, where we live. Here in the #10 rated redneck city in America where I live, that be the case.
https://www.bicycletimesmag.com/conte...ot-passing-law
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We've had that law here in Kentucky... almost all motorists are ignorant about it. Cyclists get buzzed and clipped, even by law enforcement officials, yet nothing is done.
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It's probably the people walking at a snail's pace side by side and taking up the entire sidewalk forcing joggers out into the bike lane and then the bikes are forced out into the road. The one that really drives me nuts are when people feel the need to take their constitutional on the track, walk side by side and chat away despite multiple "excuse me"s. There's no reason one has to walk around a track like that.
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I wonder if that's even enforceable. The width of a vehicle lane plus a bike lane does not equal the width of a vehicle lane plus three feet, anywhere around here, and around there there are plenty of road shoulders with bike lanes painted on. Not to mention the bill is skewed as-is with no penalty to be applied to us on the bike. I could pedal alongside the lane, reach out and touch a car, and the car's driver would be the ticketable one.
As it stands, though, it is another weapon to stop cars from creeping over the pedestrian crossing when I'm starting to cross after the lamp lights up the walk signal--and that I WELCOME.
As it stands, though, it is another weapon to stop cars from creeping over the pedestrian crossing when I'm starting to cross after the lamp lights up the walk signal--and that I WELCOME.
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This is the whole motivation for taking the lane on narrow roads. If there isn't room for a car to pass you while staying on your side of the lane, they need to pass you by crossing into the other lane. By riding in the middle of the lane, you ensuring that they do this. If you ride too close to the edge of the road in these situations, the car may try to pass where there isn't room and it's clear who's going to lose in this situation.
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Great! Repeated studies have shown that most drivers (of anything, bikes included) tend to steer closer to things they are closely scrutinizing, which is exactly what motorists are going to be doing if they're trying to figure out if they are 2 1/2 or 3 feet away from you. One of the first things taught in most competition driving schools is to look through turns, not at the apex, guess why. I sometimes wonder who is ultimately responsible for laws like this. So now if a motorist hits a cyclist, is that prima facie evidence that they were closer than three feet and were therefore breaking the law, thereby rendering their auto insurance contract null and void and ultimately making it harder for an injured/dead cyclist or their estate to recover compensation? I'd rather it be me creating/controlling the separation distance wherever possible, gotta love those sidewalks even more now, and Big Apples to smooth out the joints!
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Change the Culture
Colorado has a 3 foot law. Fortunately, most drivers here are quite courteous and go to great lengths to pass bikes safely and I find that to be the case in most of the areas wherein I've cycled. Laws don't immediately make for changed behavior. We cyclists can however use them to educate people and change the culture. For example, last week a driver passed very close to me. I caught up to him at the next traffic light, knocked on his window, politely reminded him of the 3 foot law, explained that it he frightened me by coming within about one foot instead of obeying the 3 foot rule and requested that he follow it from now on. I bet he remembers that and will maybe share that experience with family and friends. (He reacted to me impassively.) Regardless of the attitude with which he talks about the incident, every time he mentions it, it will draw attention to the law and raise awareness. Conversely, I try to obey traffic laws (red lights, hand signals, etc.) and every time a driver gives me the right of way I respond with a smile and a friendly thank you wave. If the window is open, I usually call out a thank you.
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Colorado has a 3 foot law. Fortunately, most drivers here are quite courteous and go to great lengths to pass bikes safely and I find that to be the case in most of the areas wherein I've cycled. Laws don't immediately make for changed behavior. We cyclists can however use them to educate people and change the culture. For example, last week a driver passed very close to me. I caught up to him at the next traffic light, knocked on his window, politely reminded him of the 3 foot law, explained that it he frightened me by coming within about one foot instead of obeying the 3 foot rule and requested that he follow it from now on. I bet he remembers that and will maybe share that experience with family and friends. (He reacted to me impassively.) Regardless of the attitude with which he talks about the incident, every time he mentions it, it will draw attention to the law and raise awareness. Conversely, I try to obey traffic laws (red lights, hand signals, etc.) and every time a driver gives me the right of way I respond with a smile and a friendly thank you wave. If the window is open, I usually call out a thank you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2s6ax_7TM
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Cheaper than dedicated bike paths -- we need dedicated bike paths. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to risk my life riding on roads without proper bike lanes thinking that the drivers of today are going to obey a law like this. That doesn't make me feel safe and it doesn't do diddly squat for the future of cycling in this country -- but hey, after all its cheaper. Fortunately there are cities around the country who have planned out great bikes lanes, and I'm happy to say that where I live there are ample roads to ride. It would be nice to see them plan out roadways etc., like they have done in the Netherlands. Take a look at this short video of what they have done for cycling in the Netherlands. They have planned it in such a way that you can ride anywhere and everywhere all over Holland on your bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2s6ax_7TM
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Anyway, enough of this subject.
Time to get out and ride.
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The undertaking is simple, but the forces of corporate America are far too powerful to go up against. So we will muddle along with our little bike lanes battling the internal combustion engines. Besides, the odds of getting the average American out of his automobile would be worse than the odds of winning the lottery.
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Besides, in Holland where they have the opportunity to ride their bikes anywhere they wish to ride, have the same opportunity to drive their cars anywhere they wish to drive. They have a choice either way because they have been provided an opportunity to make that choice -- that's diversity. We have very little of that here because, for the most part, driving a car is pretty well the only choice many people have. Before bike lanes where implemented where I live, cars where the only means of transport -- oh sure we have a public transit system, but it was and still is useless at best. But now we have that word you like -- diversity, or at least a little more of it.
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Great! Repeated studies have shown that most drivers (of anything, bikes included) tend to steer closer to things they are closely scrutinizing, which is exactly what motorists are going to be doing if they're trying to figure out if they are 2 1/2 or 3 feet away from you. One of the first things taught in most competition driving schools is to look through turns, not at the apex, guess why. I sometimes wonder who is ultimately responsible for laws like this. So now if a motorist hits a cyclist, is that prima facie evidence that they were closer than three feet and were therefore breaking the law, thereby rendering their auto insurance contract null and void and ultimately making it harder for an injured/dead cyclist or their estate to recover compensation? I'd rather it be me creating/controlling the separation distance wherever possible, gotta love those sidewalks even more now, and Big Apples to smooth out the joints!
And the 3' laws don't specify that you should pass at exactly 3', just by at least 3' so there's no need for any close scrutiny of the passing distance, just the realization that you shouldn't be buzzing by someone at high speed without leaving a reasonable amount of room between you.
I don't expect there to be many citations issued as a direct result of this law, but I do hope it improves some driver attitudes through public service announcements and other educational efforts about the minimum passing distance and an emphasis of it in driver training courses for new drivers.
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