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Old 10-02-14, 06:05 AM
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we got to read your childish bickering with the origami bike importer;
Please quote the childish bickering. I think you may have misread the thread...I believe both myself and Pingus were extremely proper. I thought your post about childish behaviour was a joke. Regardless I do not find it relevant to the issue at hand.
and of course who can forget your righteous indignation and personal campaign to call out tern on it's egregious behavior regarding their frame breaks and recall issues.
Did you read the relevant thread on Tern's site? If not please do....I will not be surprised if you apologize for this comment once you are more 'informed'. Would it be proper to ignore an injustice? I don't think so.

You are way off base on this one. FYI I have been contacted by many 'informed' persons that were scared to act, and thanked me for my position.

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I'm new to folding bikes and bike modification (and also not very handy). About how much would it cost to have a bike shop do a front derailleur braze to turn the 9FS into a 27 speed bike, including all parts, labor, etc. I know it will vary with components, so assume decent but not top components. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by henge View Post
I'm new to folding bikes and bike modification (and also not very handy). About how much would it cost to have a bike shop do a front derailleur braze to turn the 9FS into a 27 speed bike, including all parts, labor, etc. I know it will vary with components, so assume decent but not top components. Thanks.
The Downtube 9FS comes with a braze-on for a front derailleur.. you can look up what a front derailleur/triple crankset and front shifter (probably a longer chain) on the web would cost to see where you want to be in parts outlay .. a good LBS might charge one to two hours to remove old crankset, install new crankset/fd/shifter/chain and adjust..
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Originally Posted by henge View Post
I'm new to folding bikes and bike modification (and also not very handy). About how much would it cost to have a bike shop do a front derailleur braze to turn the 9FS into a 27 speed bike, including all parts, labor, etc. I know it will vary with components, so assume decent but not top components. Thanks.
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FYI you should consider going to 18sp. That way you will not need to replace the crank, and it will have a very wide gear range. You will need a bigger chain ring, front dérailleur, shifter, cables, and a new chain. Component prices vary as do labor rates. Good luck!

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Old 10-09-14, 04:43 AM
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Yeah, interesting project! But off topic indeed. Is there a thread on it? If so, send me the link and I'll follow up there. For now, let me say: you already recognize that the real problem is front wheel drive. Just as back wheels don't have much braking power, front wheels don't have much pulling power. You can't solve this problem by changing the gearing. No matter what you do to the gearing, the front drive wheel will slip if you pedal too hard. The only solution will be: don't pedal so hard.
As Charles has mentioned the FWD isn't too much of a problem. It's only when starting off that I sometimes slip. I have never experienced tire slippage in any other situation - even on steep climbs, so it's not a problem really.

I haven't really gotten around to creating a proper thread. It'll be a few months at least as I'm pretty busy these days - the wife and I expect our first kid soon, so all sorts of things to do really and the bike has sort of become low priority.

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His bike isn't just front wheel drive, it is also a recumbent where his weight is much more evenly distributed between wheels.

I've got a similar bike and can make it up very steep incline s (well, for short distances anyway). FWD isn't a problem.

He's also right that you want low gearing. I use 20" wheels and have a range between 17" and 106".

I'd personally recommend going with a double or triple front crankset, a chain tensioner, and whatever IGH strikes his fancy.
Thanks Charles for the comment. I agree that a FD is the simplest solution. However I've been trying to keep the machinery simple, and the weight and cabling minimum. Singapore is a mostly flat city and the traffic stops are frequent and far too many, so I don't need a very low or very high range really, only just enough that I can match bus speeds of around 35 kmph easily. If I can do that with a single chain ring I would be very happy.
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Originally Posted by Shahmatt View Post
Thanks Charles for the comment. I agree that a FD is the simplest solution. However I've been trying to keep the machinery simple, and the weight and cabling minimum. Singapore is a mostly flat city and the traffic stops are frequent and far too many, so I don't need a very low or very high range really, only just enough that I can match bus speeds of around 35 kmph easily. If I can do that with a single chain ring I would be very happy.
You can switch to an uber wide single chainring MTB group. I think that at least for a subset of them -- a 9 speed 11-36 cassette -- you would only have to switch the shifter and perhaps rear derailer. Change the front chainring to match the gear range you need.
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Originally Posted by invisiblehand View Post
You can switch to an uber wide single chainring MTB group. I think that at least for a subset of them -- a 9 speed 11-36 cassette -- you would only have to switch the shifter and perhaps rear derailer. Change the front chainring to match the gear range you need.
Not crazy but...

He's got an 18" front wheel, so 11 may not be small enough for the high end he wants. I'll point out that Nuvinci will give the same range and won't have a derailleur that's even closer to the ground than mine.
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You can switch to an uber wide single chainring MTB group. I think that at least for a subset of them -- a 9 speed 11-36 cassette -- you would only have to switch the shifter and perhaps rear derailer. Change the front chainring to match the gear range you need.
A 60T chainring will give me a 26.8 to 87.7 range. Not bad. But my wheel is already built in which a IGH, so I'm trying to make use of that and avoid going rear derailleur.
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Ahhhhh ... I got my wires crossed and thought that you had a derailer driven Downtube. Sorry.
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Old 11-10-14, 03:12 PM
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FYI the bikes arrived in the States on November 22nd. They were inspected by customs and then homeland security twice ( one by X-Ray and one physical ). They were just released to us Friday 11/7. He goes a neat picture of our new mini...amazing background in Hatteras island.

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Old 11-10-14, 04:04 PM
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I tipped off US security to pay you a little extra attention Herr Doktor lol
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The plan is to use two names in 2015 and 2016, Downtube and Bike1.com ( each printed on one side of the bike ). In 2017 we will be Bike1.com

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I thought Downtube was a great name Yan. It's a shame to release bikes with confused branding on both sides. Also .com branding on a product such as this takes away from it and makes it look like a cheap bargain basement product which it isn't. I'd reconsider your 2015-2016 branding strategy if I were you!

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I vote to keep it Downtube too!
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Originally Posted by mulleady View Post
I thought Downtube was a great name Yan. It's a shame to release bikes with confused branding on both sides. Also .com branding on a product such as this takes away from it and makes it look like a cheap bargain basement product which it isn't. I'd reconsider your 2015-2016 branding strategy if I were you!
I know people have become comfortable with the name Downtube. After thinking more about, Yan made the correct choice. Using his internet address as the company name is smart in the long run. More often than not, people who see the bike will not know where to buy one and will not have the courage to ask. With web address on the downtube, everyone even if they never heard of the company knows where to buy one. In this day and age, the web address is often times more important than the company name. Every Bike1 on the street will be marketing the website. Good concept.

Eventually, we'll all become used to the new name.
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I know people have become comfortable with the name Downtube. After thinking more about, Yan made the correct choice. Using his internet address as the company name is smart in the long run. More often than not, people who see the bike will not know where to buy one and will not have the courage to ask. With web address on the downtube, everyone even if they never heard of the company knows where to buy one. In this day and age, the web address is often times more important than the company name. Every Bike1 on the street will be marketing the website. Good concept.

Eventually, we'll all become used to the new name.
I agree, and also think the Downtube name is a little confusing. It was peripherally familiar to me for a while before I realized it was a folding bike: "downtube" means the downtube on a diamond frame to me; I never understood how the term relates to Yan's folders. Bike1 sounds cool.
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Well I'm sorry but I disagree and there are many who don't wish to buy an item that advertises a website. I'd at least put it to a significant market research sample before doing this. Bike1 may be a contender but bike1.com shouldn't be. People can always add the domain after or Yan ensures good search marketing to work the name on Google.

Downtube also has a brand history even if it is a small company and often that amounts to brand equity. Does the Indonesian following suddenly change their group to Bike1.com for example? I'm not saying Bike1 isn't a cool name, I'm raising the importance of turning a brand into an unsubtle website advert. Downtube bikes have a competitive P/Q ratio but they aren't £100/$160 bikes.

See contention about the brand change of Corsair which has a very valuable historic brand equity

https://kotaku.com/gaming-company-cha...orr-1638359967

Not one of the design logos below opts for .com in the logo. It's better if .com follows logically off-logo as the natural URL.

https://www.creativebloq.com/branding...trends-1212810

Finally even online brands often rely on the core logo and it then follows intuitively with .com or .co.uk (where I live) by inference.

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I thank everyone for positive words/vibes. The name transition is a long process, and we may keep the Downtube name on our bikes. However we will certainly include bike1.com on all future bikes.

FYI Rocky Mountain Bikes put bikes.com on all their models and sales increased dramatically. So I think the argument on branding can go either way. I am certain we are going on the best path.

Please note the final version is different from my last sample. My samples never include braze-ons for racks, kickstand mounts, or head tube bag interfaces.

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I thank everyone for positive words/vibes. The name transition is a long process, and we may keep the Downtube name on our bikes. However we will certainly include bike1.com on all future bikes.

FYI Rocky Mountain Bikes put bikes.com on all their models and sales increased dramatically. So I think the argument on branding can go either way. I am certain we are going on the best path.

Please note the final version is different from my last sample. My samples never include braze-ons for racks, kickstand mounts, or head tube bag interfaces.

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How do you know Rocky Mountain Bikes sales increased because they emblazoned bikes.com on their frames Yan? I can't see anything obvious on the product pics their webpage.Even then its not their most prominent signage.

Anyway the feedback on this sub-forum is meant to be constructive but I'd doubt you'd ever really listen to any of it lol!
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They were a small regional manufacturer a very long time ago. Then they put bikes.com on all their models, and they grew. Their growth was documented at bicycleretailer, additionally their larger presence at the Interbike was dramatic.

Since the downturn I believe they have had issues, however their growth with the bikes.com URL addition was documented.

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I can't see it on the bikes on their website!
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I can't either now. However they did make the change and had huge growth.

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I can't either now. However they did make the change and had huge growth.

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I think you will find they evolved other things on their bikes and improved their distribution Yan ;-)
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