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Old 05-03-15, 09:41 AM   #1
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More new coffee toys....Volume 2

With a nod to MillCreek and the seldom-seen King Termite, here is a new coffee toys thread. Here is the original thread.

After four years of roasting with an old Wearever Popcorn Pumper, I splurged on a new Behmor 1600 Plus. The 'Plus' being the addition of manual controls on top of the already good automatic controls. The Pumper still works. I just tired of spending three hours every two weeks roasting several 1/2 cup (75g) batches. The Behmor can do in <30minutes what took ~3hrs with the Pumper. It took a few beers to roast that much with the Pumper.

I just did my first four batches (two 1/4 lb batches of two varieties each) and they look good. The lateness of First Crack is testament to the ramping up profile of a bonafide roaster versus an unmodified popcorn popper. I'll try the 1/2 lb batch setting in a couple weeks, and the full pound setting in a month.
For those of you not in the know, home roasting is the way to go. You'll never willingly go back to pre-ground coffee from a metal or (worse) plastic container.
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So what do you brew these magic beans with?
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right on, I have not roaste don home roasters, only 5 to 15kg Diedrichs. are you roasting to around full city Second crack and how long does a full roast take on your home roaster?
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So what do you brew these magic beans with?
Usually a French press, although I have gotten a lot of use out of my Aeropress too.
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as far as brewing, for me its pour over or Aero press. the day of the french press is over, unless you like thick coffee.
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right on, I have not roaste don home roasters, only 5 to 15kg Diedrichs. are you roasting to around full city Second crack and how long does a full roast take on your home roaster?
I aim for City+ to Full City. The standard roast times seem about right to end just as second crack begins. Total time depends on batch size. 1/4 lb batch on the P2 profile is between 9:30-10:30. And the manual controls allow the time to be adjusted on the fly.
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do you roast then by sight sound and smell or does it have a temp gauge to measure internal temp of the roaster/beans? very cool stuff, Do you have a favorite coffee to roast? Ethiopia bedhatu jibichu was my favorite last season. I guess I'm an african coffee lover. Kenya, Rwanda, all good stuff.
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do you roast then by sight sound and smell or does it have a temp gauge to measure internal temp of the roaster/beans? very cool stuff, Do you have a favorite coffee to roast? Ethiopia bedhatu jibichu was my favorite last season. I guess I'm an african coffee lover. Kenya, Rwanda, all good stuff.
Pressing the 'B' button during the roast momentarily shows the temp on the display. However, the displayed temp cannot be true because it showed around 240F the couple times I tried it. And that's nowhere near roasting temp. I checked the temp when it was already "ramped up" to roasting temp which should have been at least somewhat close to 400F. Therefore, I suspect it's just meant for reference...comparing the beginning, middle, and end temps for example. Sight and sound are not as obvious since both of those are not as "accessible" as with a hot air popper. It's gonna be something to adjust to.

I've roasted beans from all over the world. But I've preferred the Central and South American offerings for the last couple years...mostly Costa Rica and Guatemala.
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After the divorce, during which I relinquished coffee making stuff to the ex, I wasn't even drinking coffee at home. Would get something on the road, and then regular infusions of K-cup coffee at work. Gah.

Finally broke down and got myself new gear:

Hario MSS-1 hand grinder:


Melitta drip unit:


I thought the hand grinder was a bit over the top -- could have purchased 2-3 electric blade grinders for what I paid -- but hand grind and ceramic burrs really do seem to make a difference with decent coffee.
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Are there reusable filters for the Melitta?...like the "gold" ones used in some drip makers?
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Best drip unit on the market. Fit's everything. Use paper or even paper towels for sludge-free coffee. Use reusable cones for a richer flavor.
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How does it compare to Aeropress coffee, all else being equal?
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With a nod to MillCreek and the seldom-seen King Termite, here is a new coffee toys thread. Here is the original thread.

After four years of roasting with an old Wearever Popcorn Pumper, I splurged on a new Behmor 1600 Plus. The 'Plus' being the addition of manual controls on top of the already good automatic controls. The Pumper still works. I just tired of spending three hours every two weeks roasting several 1/2 cup (75g) batches. The Behmor can do in <30minutes what took ~3hrs with the Pumper. It took a few beers to roast that much with the Pumper.

I just did my first four batches (two 1/4 lb batches of two varieties each) and they look good. The lateness of First Crack is testament to the ramping up profile of a bonafide roaster versus an unmodified popcorn popper. I'll try the 1/2 lb batch setting in a couple weeks, and the full pound setting in a month.
For those of you not in the know, home roasting is the way to go. You'll never willingly go back to pre-ground coffee from a metal or (worse) plastic container.
You won't regret the Behmor. MillCreek was the one who talked me into it about 4 years ago and still gets regular use. I still have the one before the new controls, but I didn't see they added enough that I'd probably use, so I didn't bother to upgrade. You made it a lot longer than I did with popcorn poppers. I only did that for about 6 months before trying a few other methods (like stove-top roasting) before I broke down and got the Behmor.

Enjoy it! It will be much easier and more consistent than popcorn poppers.
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After the divorce, during which I relinquished coffee making stuff to the ex, I wasn't even drinking coffee at home. Would get something on the road, and then regular infusions of K-cup coffee at work. Gah.

Finally broke down and got myself new gear:

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Melitta drip unit:


I thought the hand grinder was a bit over the top -- could have purchased 2-3 electric blade grinders for what I paid -- but hand grind and ceramic burrs really do seem to make a difference with decent coffee.
Oh look.....I know those tools too. That's my "travel kit".
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You won't regret the Behmor. MillCreek was the one who talked me into it about 4 years ago and still gets regular use. I still have the one before the new controls, but I didn't see they added enough that I'd probably use, so I didn't bother to upgrade. You made it a lot longer than I did with popcorn poppers. I only did that for about 6 months before trying a few other methods (like stove-top roasting) before I broke down and got the Behmor.

Enjoy it! It will be much easier and more consistent than popcorn poppers.
I will indeed. My popper roasts weren't always particularly uniform
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Nor are anybody's, suspect. It's pretty tough to roast right in a popcorn popper. Right tool for the right job and whatnot.
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Oh, the Behmor Plus! I will be interested to hear your further reports!
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We tried an Aeropress and liked it well enough. Good for making lattes. But for me, too much hassle, too many moving parts -- I could certainly have taken that with me instead of leaving it with her, but no. You don't get the same frothy head that you do at the end of an Aeropress press, and I like the coffee better with the simple Melitta drip unit. Plus, widely available filters and as Roadtire mentioned, one can use even paper towel as a filter in a pinch.
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We tried an Aeropress and liked it well enough. Good for making lattes. But for me, too much hassle, too many moving parts -- I could certainly have taken that with me instead of leaving it with her, but no. You don't get the same frothy head that you do at the end of an Aeropress press, and I like the coffee better with the simple Melitta drip unit. Plus, widely available filters and as Roadtire mentioned, one can use even paper towel as a filter in a pinch.
I'll pick up a Melitta eventually and use my Capresso drip maker's gold filter...didn't realize it'd fit in a Melitta.

I agree that the Aeropress is comparatively putzy, but it does make a great cup.
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I agree that the Aeropress is comparatively putzy, but it does make a great cup.
Not disappointed at all by the quality of coffee the Aeropress makes -- better coffee than many more costly makers output -- just that Melitta drip coffee is just as good, if not better. IMO...

There are times in our part of the country (Maine) when we are left with no power due to weather. The downside of buying whole bean coffee is that even though we had a camp stove to heat water, we'd very often not have ground coffee to use with it. One time, resorted to mortar and pestle. Very tedious. So that's why I'm pretty chuffed about the Hario hand-grinder. Of course, the first time I'm using it, it occurred to me that I could probably have just cleaned out a pepper mill and used that in an emergency...
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Not disappointed at all by the quality of coffee the Aeropress makes -- better coffee than many more costly makers output -- just that Melitta drip coffee is just as good, if not better. IMO...

There are times in our part of the country (Maine) when we are left with no power due to weather. The downside of buying whole bean coffee is that even though we had a camp stove to heat water, we'd very often not have ground coffee to use with it. One time, resorted to mortar and pestle. Very tedious. So that's why I'm pretty chuffed about the Hario hand-grinder. Of course, the first time I'm using it, it occurred to me that I could probably have just cleaned out a pepper mill and used that in an emergency...
Forgot where I read it it, but supposedly a rolling pin and ziplock bag can work in a pinch.
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For me Pour over system isa bit easier to clean and use daily than aeropress. also, I can make 2 cups worth of coffee with 30 grams coffee on my pourover which means i don;t have to make a second aeropress.

All else being equal, the slight amount of pressure introduced in the Aeropress does extract more good form your coffee, and i think it delivers a marginally superior cup if you are an espresso lover. I dilute my aero cup ever so slightly, but drink my pour over as is. the aeropress wins every time for fishing, camping, etc, as it is portable. paired with hario hand crank there is no better way to enjoy the best cup of coffee on the go. my broken aeropress lives in my fishing kit, so i always have it.
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Forgot where I read it it, but supposedly a rolling pin and ziplock bag can work in a pinch.
That was me. A power outage during a winter storm. But between 'grinding' the coffee like this, and heating up water on the camp stove for the french press, at least I was going to freeze with some good coffee onboard.
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That was me. A power outage during a winter storm. But between 'grinding' the coffee like this, and heating up water on the camp stove for the french press, at least I was going to freeze with some good coffee onboard.
What's the longest you've gone without java in any form in the last decade?
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It was one of the more unpleasant days of my life.
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