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Old 02-10-19, 03:00 PM
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The bantamweight tourney semi-finals will go down like this. no fight dates yet

Naoya Inoue Japan vs Puerto Rico Emmanuel Rodríguez

Nonito Donaire Philippines vs South Africa Zolani Tete


Emmanuel Rodríguez Vázquez currently holds the IBF bantamweight title. As an amateur, Rodríguez represented Puerto Rico at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics and won a gold medal in the flyweight event.


Zolani Tete is the current WBO bantamweight champion and the former IBF junior bantamweight champion

This one looks risky for Donaire
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Old 02-11-19, 12:19 PM
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Yeah, Emmanuel Rodríguez Vázquez combos remind me of a peak Mike Tyson under Kevin Rooney's tutelage -- expertly crafted so that each punch sets up the next.

I like Donaire but he's lost a step with age and he's in among some of the best bantamweights in years.
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Did you happen to see the fights Saturday night? (Premier Boxing Championships on Fox, 2/16/19). Much better than I'd expected.

The stats and most comments on the Leo Santa Cruz vs Rafael Rivera match didn't do justice to how entertaining that bout was. Rivera had only three weeks notice as a replacement, but came in rock hard and chiseled, tip top condition. While he was outpointed easily, Rivera really made the fight by constantly pressuring Santa Cruz. It was one of the most entertaining and fan friendly bouts I've seen in a long time. Both guys really seemed to enjoy the high pressure, action oriented match, often smiling and acknowledging each other throughout the bout. And they slugged it out during the final 10 seconds when Santa Cruz could easily have just stayed away and taken the safe win.

I hope Rivera stays focused and in top condition. He definitely has a future. He just needs some schooling on how to create openings. He spent too much time and energy on trying to connect with each punch, rather than creating setups and diversions. And maybe less time on weight or strength conditioning -- occasionally his right hands looked awkward and stiff, like someone who spends too much time on weight and strength conditioning.

A prelim bout featured Sebastian Fundora, a freak of nature light middleweight at 6'6" (6'7" by some stats). He actually made Lennox Lewis look short in a photo opp. I hesitate to compare him with Tommy Hearns, but he has good punching power, leverage, accuracy and can take a punch. But his speed is only average and he leaves himself open a lot.
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I Didn't see any of those Cat. Will see how they progress.

They're finally making these bantamweight tournament semi finals happen and here they be:

27 April 2019 . . . Nonito Donaire vs Zolani Tete . . . Cajundome, Lafayette, LA

18 May 2019 . . . Naoya Inoue vs Emmanuel Rodríguez . . . SSE Hydro, Glasgow, UK

Not sure why the venues are in Louisiana and Scotland but there they are.
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Anyone buying the fight this Saturday? It's been since Tyson that I bought a fight...I just try to avoid the results until they replay them the following week or so. However, for $75 I'm giving this one consideration. Should be good and while my heart is with Mikey, but more than likely Spence's age and size will win it.

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Old 03-14-19, 06:56 PM
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Anyone buying the fight this Saturday? It's been since Tyson that I bought a fight...I just try to avoid the results until they replay them the following week or so. However, for $75 I'm getting this one consideration. Should be good and my heart is with Mikey, but more than likely Spence's age and size will win it.

Whilst I think Garcia is crazy for pursuing this fight, I have to give him a hell of a lot of credit for having the courage to do so.


It is hard enough to make fights between leading contenders within the same weight division, let alone have a guy step up two weight divisions to take on one of the most feared guys in the welterweight division.


With how well Spence punches to the body, I just don't see how Garcia can win or even go the distance.
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Old 03-16-19, 12:53 AM
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Too much of a size mismatch. I don't see Garcia growing into a true welterweight like Roberto Duran did, or Shane Mosley and a few others. I can't get enthusiastic about paying for a fight when my foremost thought is "I hope the guy doesn't get hurt."
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Maybe it's his Dad kinda pushing him into it OR...the money is really good. I like both guys, but Garcia seems like the kind of guy I'd like to hang with. But yes, I'm on the fence as to whether I should spend $75 for might be a fight that only goes four rounds??????
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I waited until after the Spence vs Garcia fight, read the news analyses, then found an upload of the bout on YouTube (probably taken down by now). I only skipped through the video, watching the rounds the boxing analysts thought were notable. As usual most analysts got it wrong.

It was a mismatch, as I'd anticipated. Spence is a true welterweight, rock hard with almost as little body fat as an elite cyclist. If he hangs around long enough he'll probably move up to light middleweight, possibly full middle, although I'm not sure he'd do as well.

Garcia looked soft, pudgy and slow. He's not a welterweight and never will be unless he goes the route of Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez and most others and starts juicing to build muscle. Garcia at welter looked like De La Hoya at middle -- fat and slow.

The bout was a mismatch but I didn't see much evidence of the "beating" Spence supposedly put on Garcia. Mikey's corner threatened to stop the bout around the 9th round, but I got the impression it was more of a psyche tactic than actual concern for Garcia's welfare. He wasn't really getting beaten up that badly. He just couldn't get into the fight and was mostly plodding around catching right jabs and long lefts that were more like hard jabs than power punches.

It was mostly a tactical match with Spence jabbing relentlessly and putting on the pressure to keep Garcia off balance and on his back foot, and occasionally mixing up a few long lefts and other punches to keep it honest. Garcia was gracious about the defeat, but he and some analysts tried to make it sound like Spence was running behind a long jab. B.S. Spence was the one coming forward 90% of the time. He'd occasionally pivot, which kept Garcia off balance -- Mikey looked like he was unprepared to fight a southpaw and mostly just plodded around aimlessly. But Spence certainly didn't run. He didn't even need to move laterally all that much. Garcia couldn't get past the jab.

Some analysts tried to make it sound like Mayweather vs (insert favorite opponent here -- some said Canelo, some said Pacquiao), or Leonard vs Duran. It was nothing of the kind. Spence isn't in the same class of talent as Mayweather or Leonard. He's a utilitarian, somewhat robotic fighter, more in the vein of Carlos Monzon but without the impressive resume.

Spence isn't even in the same class as Bud Crawford, which is the only interesting matchup at welterweight that I might pay to watch. But Spence will push for a payday against an aging Pacquiao before risking getting outclassed by Crawford.
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Thanks, I didn't buy the fight after all. Your assessment sounds informed and well thought out. Unless he really needs the money, if I were Pacquaio, I wouldn't take that fight and retire instead. And yes, I would want to see a Crawford match.
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I waited until after the Spence vs Garcia fight, read the news analyses, then found an upload of the bout on YouTube (probably taken down by now). I only skipped through the video, watching the rounds the boxing analysts thought were notable. As usual most analysts got it wrong.

It was a mismatch, as I'd anticipated. Spence is a true welterweight, rock hard with almost as little body fat as an elite cyclist. If he hangs around long enough he'll probably move up to light middleweight, possibly full middle, although I'm not sure he'd do as well.

Garcia looked soft, pudgy and slow. He's not a welterweight and never will be unless he goes the route of Mosley, Pacquiao, Marquez and most others and starts juicing to build muscle. Garcia at welter looked like De La Hoya at middle -- fat and slow.

The bout was a mismatch but I didn't see much evidence of the "beating" Spence supposedly put on Garcia. Mikey's corner threatened to stop the bout around the 9th round, but I got the impression it was more of a psyche tactic than actual concern for Garcia's welfare. He wasn't really getting beaten up that badly. He just couldn't get into the fight and was mostly plodding around catching right jabs and long lefts that were more like hard jabs than power punches.

It was mostly a tactical match with Spence jabbing relentlessly and putting on the pressure to keep Garcia off balance and on his back foot, and occasionally mixing up a few long lefts and other punches to keep it honest. Garcia was gracious about the defeat, but he and some analysts tried to make it sound like Spence was running behind a long jab. B.S. Spence was the one coming forward 90% of the time. He'd occasionally pivot, which kept Garcia off balance -- Mikey looked like he was unprepared to fight a southpaw and mostly just plodded around aimlessly. But Spence certainly didn't run. He didn't even need to move laterally all that much. Garcia couldn't get past the jab.

Some analysts tried to make it sound like Mayweather vs (insert favorite opponent here -- some said Canelo, some said Pacquiao), or Leonard vs Duran. It was nothing of the kind. Spence isn't in the same class of talent as Mayweather or Leonard. He's a utilitarian, somewhat robotic fighter, more in the vein of Carlos Monzon but without the impressive resume.

Spence isn't even in the same class as Bud Crawford, which is the only interesting matchup at welterweight that I might pay to watch. But Spence will push for a payday against an aging Pacquiao before risking getting outclassed by Crawford.

Nice assessment.


I wonder what Spence vs Thurman would look like?


Thurman has looked vulnerable to the body in previous fights, so Spence is perhaps not the best match up for him, but then neither is Crawford.


For Thurman's sake, I was hoping he was going to get a Pacquaio fight.
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Tough to say about Thurman. I agree with Max Kellerman's recent assessment -- Thurman is a B+ fighter who has the potential to be better than he's been so far. But Danny Garcia revealed Thurman's flaws: he doesn't move laterally and pivot enough; doesn't set up his combinations like a prime Mike Tyson, no matter how much people compare Thurman with Tyson; he can be hit straight down the pipe.

Overall, Thurman reminds me of the kinds of guys who seemed really good until they met a Tommy Hearns, Felix Trinidad or even someone like Ike Quartey with a rifle jab. Thurman's style plays right into Errol Spence's strengths. But it still could be a good match. Hopefully it'll happen.

But I don't see Thurman or Spence beating Terence Crawford. Bud is like a little Jersey Joe Walcott, slick, stays in the pocket, moves around opponents while staying in range, hits hard, hard to hit back, manages to make even good opponents look ordinary or awkward. And he's gotten better as he's moved up in weight. I saw one of his last fights at lightweight and he was looking a little tired and sluggish toward the end, like it was too difficult to make that weight anymore. He's grown into light welter and welter surprisingly well, just as quick as at lightweight and still with good power.

But any of those three guys against the others would be worth watching.
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