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Old 04-24-16, 06:53 PM
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Do you buy from Amazon?

I don't, I know this is being very general and probably naive but isn't Amazon a group that does not care about profits but just wants to destroy brick and mortar businesses and be the only game in town. It might be in 15-20 years Amazon will open hospitals, car dealerships, and there will be no other employer but Amazon. Maybe it will be soon " The United States of Amazon". Who knows maybe the malls and shopping areas of this world are doomed and there will be none left at all, isn't that kind of depressing if Amazon destroys ever store out there.

I can't stand the deal they have with USPS to deliver on Sundays, the poor saps that do it have no choice, its mandatory for them as City Carrier Assistants and they NEVER have a Sunday off because of it or Holiday. Can't that Sh@t wait one business day??

I do buy online but from EBay. I hate Amazon can you tell.

Maybe don't buy from them and save the world??

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Old 04-24-16, 08:12 PM
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I went to visit Performance Bike for an adjustable stem because I'd rather see what I'm buying before hand.

Then I went to Best Buy to look at cameras. I really need a camera (my last camera got swamped on the kayak.) I had picked out 2 that I liked from researching on the net. Researching on the net doesn't allow you to pick it up and feel it in your hands. Glad I went because neither of them allowed easy use hanging around your neck and using while on the bike on the trail, which is one main reason for getting a camera.

Ended up looking at the only other camera they had, which was $100 more than I wanted to spend, but it did have full manual control. So I came home to research the $300 price range. Problem is, there's nothing available in stores to actually touchy feely them to see how they are. The one I want to look at I can order from Best Buy for $399. Amazon has it for $299. There isn't another camera out there in any other store because it's pretty much the only compact camera with manual controls and large zoom that has RAW format recording. Why would I buy it from Best Buy for $100 more than Amazon?
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Yes, and Amazon is legend for predator practices with respect its own employees.

But, you might start with Wal-Mart; they have killed thousands of US local businesses and destroyed margins for US manu, and ripped off many communities for "economic incentives".

United States of Wal-Zon, wholly owned subsidiary of China.
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Best buy will match Amazon prices.
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In my opinion, they responded to a demand and if they hadn't become the internet's biggest marketplace, someone else would have. It stinks that a lot of people won't be able to continue to make a living in the way they're accustomed to, but things become obsolete, jobs evolve... It's up to us to make sure the right officials get elected to keep them in check. Brick and mortar stores will always have a place IMO. I'm sure people have been saying big business will kill small business since the industrial revolution.
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Originally Posted by 2702 View Post
..... Amazon a group that does not care about profits ...... It might be in 15-20 years Amazon will open hospitals, car dealerships, and there will be no other employer but Amazon. Maybe it will be soon " The United States of Amazon". Who knows maybe the malls and shopping areas of this world are doomed ....
Amazon is a publicly traded stock. It is owned by your co-workers, friends, neighbors, relatives (maybe even your own 401K retirement). They aren't an evil group... they are us (as in you and me).

Maybe someday Amazon will grow and expand into healthcare. The railroads did! As a matter of fact.... 150 or so years ago many people thought the railroads would own America. Then again... many thought the same about General Motors when I was a kid.

But it doesn't work that way. There is never a need to fear free enterprise. Government... the people with prisons and weapons... they're the ones to worry about.

But people always fear market place change. Or at least they have since Ned Ludd allegedly smashed a textile loom in 1779, and whose name had become emblematic with those who oppose change.

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Old 04-24-16, 09:01 PM
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I find my LBS can match Amazon on many items and I buy those items there. My LBS can help me as well. For example I had to remove a free wheel that requires a Sun removal tool and I didn't have one. My LBS remove it for me free of charge. Also when I need a item they do not carry they will order it in for me. Amazon has a place though as many people have no place to go for parts, may not drive and need free delivery etc. Amazon is a great company. . I wouldn't sell them short.
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Old 04-24-16, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
Amazon is a publicly traded stock. It is owned by your co-workers, friends, neighbors, relatives (maybe even your own 401K retirement). They aren't an evil group... they are us (as in you and me).

Maybe someday Amazon will grow and expand into healthcare. The railroads did! As a matter of fact.... 150 or so years ago many people thought the railroads would own America. Then again... many thought the same about General Motors when I was a kid.

But it doesn't work that way. There is never a need to fear free enterprise. Government... the people with prisons and weapons... they're the ones to worry about.

But people always fear market place change. Or at least they have since Ned Ludd allegedly smashed a textile loom in 1779, and whose name had become emblematic with those who oppose change.
Remember when we were all worried in the late 80's/early 90's that Japan was going to use its powerful economy to take over the world?

OP, remember when the USPS was talking about going down to 4 (or 3) days a week because of low usage? I wonder whether people would rather work on Sundays or not have a job.
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I love Amazon and place about 6 orders a month from them. It saves me driving around only to find out the bricks-and-mortar stores are out of stock or do not carry the item at all. Amazon is one of the largest employers in the Seattle area, so when I buy from them, I am supporting my friends and neighbors.
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Old 04-24-16, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
Amazon is a publicly traded stock. It is owned by your co-workers, friends, neighbors, relatives (maybe even your own 401K retirement). They aren't an evil group... they are us (as in you and me).

Maybe someday Amazon will grow and expand into healthcare. The railroads did! As a matter of fact.... 150 or so years ago many people thought the railroads would own America. Then again... many thought the same about General Motors when I was a kid.

But it doesn't work that way. There is never a need to fear free enterprise. Government... the people with prisons and weapons... they're the ones to worry about.

But people always fear market place change. Or at least they have since Ned Ludd allegedly smashed a textile loom in 1779, and whose name had become emblematic with those who oppose change.
certainly, one sided.

neighbors work for private companies, public companies, and governments.

enron was a publicly traded company that destroyed the lives of many.

and private individuals own both prisons and weapons.
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...yes, sometimes. A lot of what I buy on Amazon with regard to bike stuff is actually coming from some small independent business that uses Amazon for listing, marketing, and payment processing. Thinking that E-bay is somehow "better" in these terms strikes me as a little bit unrealistic. Internet marketing has vastly simplified my life in terms of finding specific, hard to find items (locally) that are useful in reworking olde bicycles.
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I order from Amazon about once a week, have been a Prime member since they initiated the service. I also visit my LBS about once a week. Amazon isn't evil, and isn't hellbent on world domination. I have 3 Amazon fulfillment warehouses within riding distance of my house, and if they would just put a will-call center in at least one of them, it would be perfect. Just got a Sunday delivery from them today. And I don't think the USPS minds all that much, what with losing millions of dollars a year before the Amazon deal. Our neighborhood has a USPS truck that does nothing but Amazon seven days a week. I'm not mad about getting packages delivered at 7am. It's nice.
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Originally Posted by eschlwc View Post
certainly, one sided.
Yes. As was the post I replied to.

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neighbors work for private companies, public companies, and governments.
And themselves... some of my neighbors are self-employed. People are NOT required to be employed by anyone.

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enron was a publicly traded company that destroyed the lives of many.
Yes. And they broke laws in their 15 year run. Some when to prison. These things do happen. You know no one who went to prison?

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and private individuals own both prisons and weapons.
No. No individual (other than a despot) has the power to imprison or deem it legal to shoot people. Gun ownership gives no rights of use and corporate ran prisons provide no legal use outside the government legal system. But I would assume you knew that. Only governments... are empowered to imprison and kill with impunity.

Nothing.... remains static. Recent decades has seen historic levels of change. It should be no surprise that we also have historic numbers of Luddites among us. Those who resist change are not bad people in anyway. They just don't have the coping skills (or refuse to use those skills) in an effort to adjust to the days ever changing world. Being a Luddite minded individual provides.... either the needed drag on the forward momentum of change. Or they harm society by slowing the needed and fortunate progress. It's all perspective... and I am sure they provide a little bit of both.

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Originally Posted by himespau View Post
Remember when we were all worried in the late 80's/early 90's that Japan was going to use its powerful economy to take over the world?.
Yes. Being in the rust belt myself.... I remember many thought the introduction of Japanize cars meant the beginning of the end to American made automobiles. And... it would seem that they were right. But then again... what doesn't change? It's been both hard and sad for those Americans in the auto industry. As necessary and unavoidable as change is.... it can also be painful.

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OP, remember when the USPS was talking about going down to 4 (or 3) days a week because of low usage? I wonder whether people would rather work on Sundays or not have a job.
I am sure... the government plans on getting out of the mail business. Again... more change that will for thousands be very hard to deal with. But apparently... if you only exchange information by writing letters... you'll never read this post. With the good also comes some bad.
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Yes, I do buy from Amazon, but avoid ebay. I know I can trust Amazon if there is a problem with my order... every schmuck on ebay, not so much.
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Unapologetic Amazon lover here.

I support my brick & mortar stores that are independently owned most of the time, but we've been Amazon Prime members for years - probably almost 6 by now. The free 2 day shipping is awesome, and free access to amazon video pretty much makes it a no brainer. We buy the majority of things from Amazon - mostly because the selection is better than in a lot of physical stores, a wider size range is available for clothes, often, and sometimes it just comes down to prices.
Sorry, but If I can save $50 on something from Amazon, with free shipping, I'm gonna do it.
It's painful and frustrating when I buy something from another online retailer and it takes 10 goddamn days to show up.

Remember, most larger physical stores cater to the lowest common denominator - both with selection and size. I can't go into Best Buy and find a Pentax dSLR. They only have the bottom & mid-level Canons and Nikons, and a variety of P&S cameras. I can't find a 10-20mm F2.4 lens there either. I have to turn to Amazon, or a specialized place like B&H.

Also, if you're not doing 90% of your christmas shopping on Amazon, and instead your fighting traffic in the mall parking lot for 45 minutes, you're doin' it wrong.
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Unapologetic Amazon lover here.

Also, if you're not doing 90% of your christmas shopping on Amazon, and instead your fighting traffic in the mall parking lot for 45 minutes, you're doin' it wrong.
^For that alone, my Prime membership is worth every nickel.
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Funny thing, in a strip mall where I used to live this lady had a nice bookstore, Kay's Bookmark. She was considering retiring but the landlord talked her into a couple more years, so she renovated at some expense to herself and signed a new lease. During the renovations, the landlord announced he was leasing a vacant dept store to a giant Barnes & Noble. Kay ran the shop another year and then shut it down. In the intervening 15 years B&N started to fade, and this past year that same mall opened a brick & mortar Amazon store. I don't live so near there any more so I am not sure how much of a gap there was between B&N closing and Amazon moving in. But anyway, I think it serves B&N right. Still feel bad for Kay though.
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Infrequently, I shop amazon.

However, In the past five years, I've sold much, much more through amazon than I've purchased. I weeded out my book collection and sold vast amounts through amazon seller services as used books for pricing I could never hope to get, selling the same books to small used bookstores.

Many brick and mortar book stores also list their stock of used books on amazon.

Regarding new product, many individuals have successfully launched internet-based retail businesses utilizing amazon seller and fulfillment services. While others take advantage of amazon partner services for passive income regarding their own product or products they pitch off their own website.

Big box stores are still a greater threat to the continued existence of small mom-and-pop types than amazon ever will be. If you shop Best Buy instead of Amazon, you're still killing Doug's Electronics Store downtown...
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Yes, I do buy from Amazon, but avoid ebay. I know I can trust Amazon if there is a problem with my order... every schmuck on ebay, not so much.
My philosophy exactly! I wouldn't work for Amazon if they doubled my salary, but the services I purchase from them are outstanding.
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When I shop at local merchants, and they state "well no, I don't have that, but I can order it..." Then I simply go home and do the same, with the end result that it comes right to my door.

I always start with local merchants, but when they give me that "I can order it" routine, well, frankly, so can I.
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I run my personal supply chain with the same strict requirements of Quality/Time/Cost as the multi-million $ corporate ones that I was once responsible for. Amazon prime is a channel that I use frequently.

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I buy local first, unless the price difference is too great, then I buy online. My LBS wanted $190 + tax for a Brooks B67 saddle. I got the same saddle on Amazon, plus Proofide and a raincover, for less than what the shop wanted for the saddle alone. I don't mind supporting, but I'm not going to get soaked just so they can get the sale.
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Funny thing, in a strip mall where I used to live this lady had a nice bookstore, Kay's Bookmark. She was considering retiring but the landlord talked her into a couple more years, so she renovated at some expense to herself and signed a new lease. During the renovations, the landlord announced he was leasing a vacant dept store to a giant Barnes & Noble. Kay ran the shop another year and then shut it down. In the intervening 15 years B&N started to fade, and this past year that same mall opened a brick & mortar Amazon store. I don't live so near there any more so I am not sure how much of a gap there was between B&N closing and Amazon moving in. But anyway, I think it serves B&N right. Still feel bad for Kay though.
That sounds more like the landlords fault than BNs. If he hadn't talked her into staying and renovating.. Then adding BN to the mall..
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There's nothing wrong with Amazon, they're just a big company. I really like being able to order stuff online, and it seems better for the environment to have less big box stores and less people making since trips out to the Best Buy or whatever. But they are getting quite big. There are alternatives like eBay and Jet.com.
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