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Old 05-04-16, 02:03 PM
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STD"s coming to a pond near you?

Australia's Surprising Weapon Against Invasive Fish: Herpes
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Old 05-04-16, 03:16 PM
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Stop misunderstanding the science. The virus has been genetically modified to be of NO EFFECT to humans.

People will do everything to save a cute little seal but when an invasive species takes over a freaking continent and scientists offer up a good solution they say "Oh, that sounds dangerous, I'd rather have all of the local species die." There are MANY bacteria and virus that affect animals and are extremely dangerous... to them. Just because scientists used a template from a virus dangerous to US doesn't mean it'll affect us. We use E. Coli to do MANY wonderful things now-a-day. But NOOO, ecoli is DANGEROUS, we shouldn't use it to do these things.

Is There Nothing Science Can't Do With E. coli?

Freaking scientific luddites.
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oh great so now its genetically manipulated super herpes. Yea that makes me feel better.
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This reminds me of irradiated food and protesters chanting "don't nuke our food!" Although, viruses can mutate.
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oh great so now its genetically manipulated super herpes. Yea that makes me feel better.
One of the most idiotic things I've heard in awhile. Good job at understanding literally nothing when it comes to genetic modification.

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[QUOTE=corrado33;18741407]One of the most idiotic things I've heard in awhile. Good job at understanding literally nothing when it comes to genetic modification.

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Old 05-04-16, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
Stop misunderstanding the science. The virus has been genetically modified to be of NO EFFECT to humans.

Freaking scientific luddites.
NO
Read the article.

The virus hasn't been genetically modified.
It is a naturally occurring variant that selectively kills carp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprinid_herpesvirus_3

There are a few success stories about introducing a species for a specific reason. For example, the cinnabar moth has been introduced in the USA to control (but not entirely eliminate) an invasive species, Tansy Ragweed/Ragwort. It has been extremely effective in controlling the plant, but has not eliminated the plant (the caterpillar's host).

The Cane Toad, on the other hand, was introduced to Australia in order to control the can beetle. And, since has become a horrible invasive pest species itself.

Anyway, biological controls can be extremely powerful, but one must proceed with a lot of testing and a lot of caution.
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Old 05-04-16, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
NO
Read the article.

The virus hasn't been genetically modified.
It is a naturally occurring variant that selectively kills carp.
It doesn't matter. People are afraid of what science can do because of movies and media always portraying science as the "bad guy." Any zombie movie? Science's fault. Any monster movie? Science's fault. Any superhero movie? Science's fault. It's old, and people need to grow up. People talk about being against disk brakes simply because they're new, yet will vehemently argue against scientific progress. A bit hypocritical if you ask me. We wonder why science keeps getting defunded and the US is one of the dumbest developed countries in the world.

The funny thing is, without science at least 3/4 of us would probably be dead.

Yes, the cane toad... released in 1935... Science hasn't come anywhere in the last 81 years. Nowhere at all...
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There are many examples of species which were imported for one reason or another, and now would be considered a problem invasive species. Many came in a century ago, or were imported as a pretty flower or plant.

We have a European Beach Grass which does exactly what it was supposed to do. It is just changing our coastline. It also changed local habitat, and may drive some local birds to extinction.

And, who would ever think of importing a living barbed wire? GORSE

Apparently one of the concerns with the Cinnabar Moth was that the caterpillar itself was toxic, and might be a problem for predators, but so far it hasn't been a problem. Nor has it jumped to other food sources. So, it has been one of the few big successes.

There have been several proposals of biological controls for mosquitoes, and I imagine we'll see some being tested in the next decade or so. Perhaps also biological controls for the spotted wing Asian fruit fly.

I'm sure we'll hear of unexpected consequences sometime.

As far as this Herpes virus, it is a native fish virus, so probably not a danger to humans (I assume it as been tested, or observed in humans). It should probably be tested with respect to every predator, scavenger, fish, and shark within 500 miles of Australia, as well as migratory species.
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Pond fish VD, far out!
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I don't pretend to know anything about this article, nor have I even read it...

But I do have a question based on the assumption that you can't just whip up some super batch of genetically modified herpes overnight. What exactly are countries doing with batches of this stuff just sitting around on the shelves ready to go?
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It's not special anything, it's specific to the fish.

If I'm not mistaken, my high school biology teacher called it ICK back in the early 1980s.
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How do they keep it from eradicating the species in their waters? That's generally not the goal when it comes to these things. Is there a vaccination for it that they'll give to a percentage of them?
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