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Old 05-12-16, 06:25 PM
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Wendy’s to install 6k self-service kiosks in response to minimum wage hikes

Wendy’s (WEN) said that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages.

It will be up to franchisees whether to deploy the labor-saving technology, but Wendy’s President Todd Penegor did note that some franchise locations have been raising prices to offset wage hikes.

McDonald’s (MCD) has been testing self-service kiosks. But Wendy’s, which has been vocal about embracing labor-saving technology, is launching the biggest potential expansion.

…It’s not surprising that some franchisees might face more of a labor-cost squeeze than company restaurants. All 258 Wendy’s restaurants in California, where the minimum wage rose to $10 an hour this year and will gradually rise to $15, are franchise-operated. Likewise, about 75% of 200-plus restaurants in New York are run by franchisees. New York’s fast-food industry wage rose to $10.50 in New York City and $9.75 in the rest of the state at the start of 2016, also on the way to $15.

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And yet franchise revenues are up $20 million USD over last year. Must not actually be hurting their revenues....and self-service kiosks are simply a con to increase profit margins.

Has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing, that is just an excuse for wanting to fire all their workers.
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The machines won't need to be reminded to wash their hands before returning to work.

Well, maybe the Hyperdyne 120-A2, they're a bit twitchy.
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An MCD in my 'hood installed self serves months ago. I'm ashamed to say I go there a couple of times a week. Even when there is a line at the counter nobody uses the kiosks. Nobody.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
.....Has nothing to do with minimum wage increasing, that is just an excuse for wanting to fire all their workers.
But the unintended consequences could be spectacular! Imagine a surge of computer-robotic advancements. People forced out of menial food service jobs... retraining for high-technology service machine repair jobs? It could happen. And confidence in robotic machines will grow... and robot skills will increase. Till maybe you might use a robotic Doctor. Costs could plummet and service improve.
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But the unintended consequences could be spectacular! Imagine a surge of computer-robotic advancements. People forced out of menial food service jobs... retraining for high-technology service machine repair jobs? It could happen. And confidence in robotic machines will grow... and robot skills will increase. Till maybe you might use a robotic Doctor. Costs could plummet and service improve.
Or in actual reality...More people will lose their jobs and unemployment will be even higher, and costs will only go up. As wages stagnate even more, and people have even less purchasing power for necessities and trivialities alike. People are becoming unemployable, which is a problem since people are only able to eat because of the movements of small green pieces of paper exchanged for having and working a job.

But yea, your Star Trek utopia is happier...if more escapist.
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But the unintended consequences could be spectacular! Imagine a surge of computer-robotic advancements. People forced out of menial food service jobs... retraining for high-technology service machine repair jobs? It could happen. And confidence in robotic machines will grow... and robot skills will increase. Till maybe you might use a robotic Doctor. Costs could plummet and service improve.
Forced out to where? Living under a bridge?... Re-training? For what? Higher tech jobs... Ha, Ha,...

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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Or in actual reality...More people will lose their jobs and unemployment will be even higher, and costs will only go up. As wages stagnate even more, and people have even less purchasing power for necessities and trivialities alike.

But yea, your Star Trek utopia is happier...if more escapist.
Your right! Things can always continue to decline. But Star Trek had nothing in common with Sir Thomas More's book [utopia] from 1516. I think they contradict each other... in many ways. In ST mankind improves it's condition through creativity and invention via knowledge and hard effort. In utopia... life becomes unbearable due to government regulation.

But the reason (one of the reasons) we've been in a jobless society in a lack of full acceptance of the new economy. Technology is king whether we like it or not. But Luddites insisting on paper based services add extra weight and costs to everything. Everything is deliverable by email and/or download.... yet we still have letter carriers and library's... and we pay for them. We pay for offices where work is performed that can be done from home. We fail to fully embrace the technologies... that we still pay for. We pay twice.... but we aren't working twice.
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Your right! Things can always continue to decline. But Star Trek had nothing in common with Sir Thomas More's book [utopia] from 1516. I think they contradict each other... in many ways. In ST mankind improves it's condition through creativity and invention via knowledge and hard effort. In utopia... life becomes unbearable due to government regulation.

But the reason (one of the reasons) we've been in a jobless society in a lack of full acceptance of the new economy. Technology is king whether we like it or not. But Luddites insisting on paper based services add extra weight and costs to everything. Everything is deliverable by email and/or download.... yet we still have letter carriers and library's... and we pay for them. We pay for offices where work is performed that can be done from home. We fail to fully embrace the technologies... that we still pay for. We pay twice.... but we aren't working twice.

And yet, what you encourage leads to no one (or just about no one) being paid even once. Because that ultimately is the problem. Computers and automatons do everything humans can do except far faster, far more reliably, far more efficiently, and more cheaply....and don't expect to be paid for it. And all of human society ultimately works because people pay one another for goods and services they each generate. What happens when people are no longer needed for goods and services?

What happens to the people? That is the uncomfortable question no one asks.



There's good reason for libraries. Most of human knowledge is not published or digitized, it is amassed in hordes of paper. Probably less than 5% of sheet music alone is published or digitized, as an educated hypothesis.
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I'm sorry but did you really NOT see this coming?

Companies that have an interstate footprint are literally exporting low-level jobs out of NY as fast as they can.
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Forced out to where? Living under a bridge?...
Some people do live under bridges... or under houses (AKA Mom's basement).

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Re-training? For what? Higher tech jobs... Ha, Ha,...
I am an old and retired now.... but at age 50 I retrained into Network Administration (very high tech back then). It wasn't easy! But it can be done.
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And yet, what you encourage leads to no one (or just about no one) being paid even once. Because..........What happens to the people? That is the uncomfortable question no one asks.
Ned? Is that you Ned Ludd? <link
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Even when there is a line at the counter nobody uses the kiosks. Nobody.
Because it's too much doing your own work, when some of the point of going there is the pleasure of being served.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
Ned? Is that you Ned Ludd? <link
Not a luddite at all.

But we have economic problems to start with....and this is only going to worsen them, not somehow pseudo- magically make them better. Most people with fast food or delivery work don't take it because that is what they wanted , it is what they can find. Retraining and tech is all well and good....until your job is replaced by H1B workers on the cheap. Or automated away..... Or your industry crashes. Local NCAA college had a raft of unemployed and unemployable professionally trained architecture majors in the 2000s. Most left the field as there was no work. And there still isn't much. They all got in at the High Tide of building, and by the time they got out the field had collapsed.

Computers is a classic example. AMD chip design business is basically all computer-done these days. Humans can get higher more elegant speed yields, but Home Office decided it wasn't worth the cost to employ people doing the leg work. Video game companies no longer bother higher driver specialists or engine-designers when they can just use DirectX and license CryEngine.


Pretending there are not dragons on the immediate fiscal and employment horizons due to automation...is closing your eyes to a freight train. About 40-45% of employees could or can be replaced in the next few years with tech as it is. A little under half work in fields ripe for automation, that can be automated either today or very very soon. We don't need 40% unemployment to have huge economic problems...the Great Depression was "only" 20% depending on who you read.
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There's good reason for libraries. Most of human knowledge is not published or digitized, it is amassed in hordes of paper. Probably less than 5% of sheet music alone is published or digitized, as an educated hypothesis.
Agreed, there are lots of good reasons for the continued existence of libraries. Aside from the books (many people prefer reading from books instead of screens), they tend to be good sources for Internet access, research assistance, classes for adapting to current technologies, study spaces, computer access, and, well, the list goes on and on. Anyone who thinks libraries are outdated hasn't been inside a good one for many years.
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I'm sorry but did you really NOT see this coming?
Companies that have an interstate footprint are literally exporting low-level jobs out of NY as fast as they can.
Everyone should have seen it coming. Government can't mandate value... it just doesn't work that way. What if the government mandated that cars cost a million dollars? Would you pay a million dollars for your next car.... or would thousands of autoworkers get laid off? Since I don't have a million bucks I'd guess there would be lay-offs.

How about if government mandated an annual $6,000 bicycle permit? Would the government raise a few billion dollars that it could use to employ people to build infrastructure? Or.... would most cyclists become criminals that cycled with fake permits or on back roads?
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...... Anyone who thinks libraries are outdated hasn't been inside a good one for many years.
They've been closing them around here. Around here they're mostly used by pedophiles trying to meet school kids, men searching for porn, and the homeless using the restrooms. I am all for homeless having places to pee and wash up. But libraries make for pricy restrooms.

But the libraries back in the 1950's..... those were great places! Just the other day in some peoples minds. I DL books to my phone and tablet now-a-days. All the cool seniors at the center do that! I've heard that a few of the older gals still read paper books.... but I haven't seen it.
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Everyone should have seen it coming. Government can't mandate value... it just doesn't work that way. What if the government mandated that cars cost a million dollars? Would you pay a million dollars for your next car.... or would thousands of autoworkers get laid off? Since I don't have a million bucks I'd guess there would be lay-offs.

How about if government mandated an annual $6,000 bicycle permit? Would the government raise a few billion dollars that it could use to employ people to build infrastructure? Or.... would most cyclists become criminals that cycled with fake permits or on back roads?
The government can/maybe even should "mandate" tariffs like they did way back when... Exporting jobs doesn't work for long... Propping up the rich by tearing down the poor will fail, and fail soon... IMO.
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Not a luddite at all.

But we have economic problems to start with....and this is only going to worsen them,............. About 40-45% of employees could or can be replaced in the next few years with tech as it is. A little under half work in fields ripe for automation, that can be automated either today or very very soon.
You might find some solutions... if you actually study the Luddite movement and the resistant to industrialization.... that your now calling normal. You may not be a Luddite... but your writings read like you are.

We only live once. Ned Ludd and thousands of others like him may have missed the [economic] boat. But you don't have to. But it is swim or drown. Or maybe a better metaphor here would be... you can't track stand forever. You either keep spinning or you fall over. The cause of the problem... is also the solution.
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They've been closing them around here.
That's okay. We've already established that you live in a fantasy world!

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Around here they're mostly used by pedophiles trying to meet school kids, men searching for porn
Most libraries have staff with the basic networking skills to block porn sites, as you well know if you have the networking skills you claim. Pedophiles might be a problem in your world, but in reality they are a tiny minority of the population, and most of us can go out in public without constantly worrying about them.

You may find it hard to believe, but violent and property crimes are WAY down compared to previous decades.

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Some people do live under bridges... or under houses (AKA Mom's basement).

Yes they do, how great America has become...



I am an old and retired now.... but at age 50 I retrained into Network Administration (very high tech back then). It wasn't easy! But it can be done.
Lucky you, imagine if your high tech job was done by a computer... How would living under a bridge go over for you?
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The government can/maybe even should "mandate" tariffs like they did way back when...
So... maybe if the feds add a import tariff of a $1000 dollars or so on every bicycle imported from Asia..... we'll all be better off? How would that work? Doesn't the tariffed nation just pass the fee on the American consumer?

The federal government just increased taxes on everything we can't see. Federal revenue increased just shy of 2 Trillion dollars (to now nearly 5 Trillion). Somehow... I am not feeling richer. Maybe another 2 Trillion increase would make us all richer.
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