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Old 07-18-16, 07:00 AM
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Got a new 4K smart TV

We have a eight year old plasma tv that is starting to shadow, and it's only 720, so I had been considering an upgrade for several months now. I looked at the curved ones and a couple of the 4k sets, but was pretty convinced that I didn't want to go that expensive. I went to the store fully intending to buy a set that was one size larger to accommodate the bezel size we were used to seeing, in 1080, without smart features. Turns out that the store doesn't carry (stock) a TV in the size we wanted without smart features, only in the next size down. The wife gets looking at the 4k and runs the upgrade/future proof upsell on me.....not that I needed a lot of convincing.


I really didn't consider what a step up in that resolution was going to cause elsewhere within the "technology chain" that delivers the A/V experience.


Get home with the new set and spend a few minutes doing the hookup and it requires me to do about thirty minutes worth of menu work and the build in Roku required me to create an online account. The cable box comes up, surround sound working, all seems good. I swap over to the HTPC to check out how that looks, and then the trouble starts.
My prior setup was all switched though an A/V receiver that is a couple of years old, nothing special. It was working on an HDMI pass through. The cable box automatically scales at 1080, the computer wanted to do the 720 and had been problematic for getting a good (unskewed) picture. With the new format the computer automatically set itself to the resolution of the set. I would get boot, splash, load, and then upon the actual jump to desktop it would revert to a signal lost message. WHAT?!?!?!

I figure it must be some new fangaldy setting with the smart TV.....I spend the new several hours going through the various menus on the TV, going through the various menus on the receiver trying to figure out if I have something switched incorrectly. Nothing working on the computer side. I end up finding out that IF I run the components straight to the TV and use the optical audio cable that was in the basement and not actually seen for the past four years or so until I needed it....and THEN spend another hour running a new cable setup through the ***** of a component center, that everything works.....EXCEPT......now I don't have Dolby, the encoding won't pass from HDMI to the optical cable except from the TV source. DANGIT!!!!

Turns out that the receiver can't passthrough that resolution. I need a new one.

Then, I get playing around with the TV itself, being "smart" and all. I have been using an HTPC/Server to stream and act as a media player. Getting into the menu of this TV and come to find it will do (almost) everything I have been using this computer for. It's purpose built and really have no need for it now. DANGIT!!!
Wait, I say, the Roku in the TV can stream from it and just go back to being the media server...no, what do you mean that Roku can't see Window shares without another program running? DANGIT!!!!
Ok, I'll just revert back and stream from the computer like before and not worry about the Smart features...what do you mean that the video card isn't 4k ready and pixelates really badly? DANGIT!!!

Perhaps a little more research before I blindly upgrade again? TV is truly great, awesome features and price, so long as I don't include the cost of the upgrade path I will certainly follow up on.

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Old 07-18-16, 07:05 AM
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I have the insignia 4k 55 with Roku 4k and it looks so good it is if I'm there in person.which tv did u get?
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Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
I have the insignia 4k 55 with Roku 4k and it looks so good it is if I'm there in person.which tv did u get?

That's the one.

This thing is an absolutely stunning choice for those that choose to stream video, rather than have cable. Not to say it performs poorly on the cable front, I just need different equipment to enjoy that aspect in Dolby....however, for using the streaming services within the TV? THAT is a different story. I see where the HD and 5.1 went on Netflix app, streams perfectly.

I am still playing with and verdict out on the Roku. I have an old NAS that plays right with it, so I set it up and have to check and see if it populated with and works on my movies later.

The real bummer is now I have a 4th gen i3 server build that I basically don't need.....
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Old 07-18-16, 08:26 AM
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a cool thing u can do with that tv is hook up hardive to usb port on tv and play back video from hardrive on tv
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Old 07-18-16, 11:27 AM
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Old 07-18-16, 01:06 PM
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First world problem, but I do like foot play.
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Old 07-18-16, 02:06 PM
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I like my Denon (https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrs510bt). But I still have 1080p TV.
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4K requires an HDMI 2.0 interface...anything not HDMI2.0 is going to either need to upscale or will through fits.
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Old 07-18-16, 03:07 PM
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punkcat get the bluray for the movie of life of pi it will blow ya mind its only 1080p but the tv upconverts great
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Old 07-19-16, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
4K requires an HDMI 2.0 interface...anything not HDMI2.0 is going to either need to upscale or will through fits.
Yup, good to know...now...my device is 1.2. None of the neat new HDMI features, including the pass back channel or volume control are working.

I guess I am going to have to buy new toys. Darn.
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Old 07-19-16, 07:40 AM
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We have 2 2010 Plasmas that we enjoy very much to this day. Its less of a consumer choice now with Plasma gone.
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Old 07-19-16, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by punkncat View Post
Yup, good to know...now...my device is 1.2. None of the neat new HDMI features, including the pass back channel or volume control are working.

I guess I am going to have to buy new toys. Darn.
You can do 4K on HDMI 1.4...but you are capped at 30Hz refresh rate.

There's also a move in the future to deprecate 8-bit color and sRGB, in favor of making 10-bit color and MUCH larger gamut color table displays the standard...in part to sell more hardware. WAY beyond AdobeRGB even, like 30-40% larger gamut.
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Old 07-31-16, 04:58 PM
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how do u like the tv so far? mine is awesome the picture is amazeing
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My Emerson tube TV shows Video CD MPGs real good.

Maybe you guys need your eyes checked
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My Emerson tube TV shows Video CD MPGs real good.

Maybe you guys need your eyes checked
lol I wont watch anything lower then 1080 if I can help it even thou this tv upconverts great mot sure how they do it but non hd still looks good on this set
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Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
not sure how they do it but non hd still looks good on this set
It would be interesting to see how flash video download conversions view on the HD sets. I haven't had the chance to test that out yet. I'd have to ask the guys with HD sets that I've given boxing video to, which was converted from YouTube flash video and low resolution MP4 downloads.
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Yep, you have to go out of your way to get a 1080p set nowdays, plus the companies use their high-end panels on their 4K sets that you'd be better off just getting a 4K.

My bro got one of the last plasmas ever made a few years ago (Samsung) and man what a beauty that one still is, if only it could have gone to a proper home.

Had a few headaches recently, had to get a new DirecTV DVR with Coaxial Audio out to an old receiver that couldn't take HDMI Audio..........and yes you lose the ability to hear DolbyHD or DTS-HD should anything you watch actually have it.

Then I bought a clearance GTX-970 Video card, popped my old 960 into the 2nd rig and wasn't getting any picture.........I reset the CMOS on the motherboard and all was well, even switched the picture to HDMI but now the picture is a bit wonky I'm wondering what's going on.........

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Yep, you have to go out of your way to get a 1080p set nowdays, plus the companies use their high-end panels on their 4K sets that you'd be better off just getting a 4K.

My bro got one of the last plasmas ever made a few years ago (Samsung) and man what a beauty that one still is, if only it could have gone to a proper home.

Had a few headaches recently, had to get a new DirecTV DVR with Coaxial Audio out to an old receiver that couldn't take HDMI Audio..........and yes you lose the ability to hear DolbyHD or DTS-HD should anything you watch actually have it.

Then I bought a clearance GTX-970 Video card, popped my old 960 into the 2nd rig and wasn't getting any picture.........I reset the CMOS on the motherboard and all was well, even switched the picture to HDMI but now the picture is a bit wonky I'm wondering what's going on.........
wow imjelly I only have a gtx 950 .but I'm looking at the 1060
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Originally Posted by Astrozombie View Post
Yep, you have to go out of your way to get a 1080p set nowdays, plus the companies use their high-end panels on their 4K sets that you'd be better off just getting a 4K.

My bro got one of the last plasmas ever made a few years ago (Samsung) and man what a beauty that one still is, if only it could have gone to a proper home.

Had a few headaches recently, had to get a new DirecTV DVR with Coaxial Audio out to an old receiver that couldn't take HDMI Audio..........and yes you lose the ability to hear DolbyHD or DTS-HD should anything you watch actually have it.

Then I bought a clearance GTX-970 Video card, popped my old 960 into the 2nd rig and wasn't getting any picture.........I reset the CMOS on the motherboard and all was well, even switched the picture to HDMI but now the picture is a bit wonky I'm wondering what's going on.........
Well yes and no...

Most 4K TVs have terrible amounts of input lag (LG for example is a prime guilty party). And that is before talking about color....most 4K TVs have a "game mode" to lessen the lag (maybe 60 milliseconds to 25ms), but at the cost of ******** up the color....takes the color rendering from 4:4:4 to 4:2:0 or some such BS.


There are not a whole much of good 4K TVs out there....especially if you ever plan on plugging a computer into one of them.
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....especially if you ever plan on plugging a computer into one of them.
I went through a whole process trying to get the TV we purchased to "play right" with the computer I have had hooked up in there (and the whole reason I wasn't looking for a smart TV). I come to find that the video card I had wasn't capable of higher than 30hz @ 4K, so I swapped in a computer that the manufacturer states IS capable of 60hz, and still doesn't work.

Given that the TV is smart with built in Roku I wonder if it wasn't designed in purposefully.....I was able to repurpose the HTPC as a Plex server and use it that way to view on the TV's Roku (read as picky bastard) viewer. It upscales well and even encodes most of the Dolby right that way as well.
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Originally Posted by punkncat View Post
I went through a whole process trying to get the TV we purchased to "play right" with the computer I have had hooked up in there (and the whole reason I wasn't looking for a smart TV). I come to find that the video card I had wasn't capable of higher than 30hz @ 4K, so I swapped in a computer that the manufacturer states IS capable of 60hz, and still doesn't work.

Given that the TV is smart with built in Roku I wonder if it wasn't designed in purposefully.....I was able to repurpose the HTPC as a Plex server and use it that way to view on the TV's Roku (read as picky bastard) viewer. It upscales well and even encodes most of the Dolby right that way as well.
Being capped at 30Hz sounds like a port limitation somewhere. You are using an AVR to patch in your computer via HDMI? With HDMI-your AVR must support HDMI v2.0 as well as your GPU as well as the TV.

I'm running a BenQ 3201PT 4K monitor on my desktop and 60Hz works like a charm with the DP jacks on my GTX980.
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Being capped at 30Hz sounds like a port limitation somewhere. You are using an AVR to patch in your computer via HDMI? With HDMI-your AVR must support HDMI v2.0 as well as your GPU as well as the TV.

I'm running a BenQ 3201PT 4K monitor on my desktop and 60Hz works like a charm with the DP jacks on my GTX980.
That was my thought as well, but I am running the computer (and other components) direct to the TV via HDMI and then using an optical to source to the AVR.

After much reading it pretty much says the only way to be sure for a computer to play right is to use the properly spec-ed display port cable. Since I opted to use the smart features built into the TV it's just not worth messing with at this point.
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That was my thought as well, but I am running the computer (and other components) direct to the TV via HDMI and then using an optical to source to the AVR.

After much reading it pretty much says the only way to be sure for a computer to play right is to use the properly spec-ed display port cable. Since I opted to use the smart features built into the TV it's just not worth messing with at this point.
Make model of TV and GPU? I got some down time now during the day to look into salient details.
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