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Old 08-18-16, 08:11 PM
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IEP Questions (teachers or principals opinions welcome)

Short background:

- The boy is in the autism spectrum.
- Boy keep failing grades at traditional school
- Boy tries out virtual school during summer, with HEAVY home schooling support from me, gets A's (Alg 1 & Eng 1)
- We decide to go full virtual school, with pacing accommodations thx to IEP


Virtual school said that because he failed math and english, he's is now required to take:

"Intensive Reading"
"Intensive Math"

...annnnnnnd they don't have those on the virtual school so, boy has to keep going to brick and mortar school for those 2 courses.

And my point now is, if we have all agreed during IEP that:

- Boy needs pacing
- Brick and mortar schooling is a waste of time (really, 1.0 GPA)

... sending him to traditional school, every day, for just 2 classes, which we know he's gonna fail anyway? He would be better off at home, keeping on with his virtual studies, which are working.

School says there's "a law" for those intensive classes, hence their hands are tied. I would love to know what that law is, and how it was written.

- Does it provide exceptions for kids in the spectrum.
- Does it has more importance than IDEA (or whatever created the whole IEP stuff)
- What happens when the IEP says the kids is to stay away from brick and mortar, and that "law" says he needs to go to brick and mortar school?

After a heated IEP meeting, it seems I am left with 2 options. Force boy to go to school, knowing he's gonna waste his time and fail. Or withdraw from the education system all together.

I don't like dead ends. I need options.
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First off, I'm not an educator and haven't a clue as to dahell IEP is, but I am a bit confused by your OP.

-boy sucks at traditional school (fails math and English)
-boy rocks the virtual school (aces math and English)

and the confusion comes from the "virtual school says since he failed math and English...", do they not recognize their own courses or what??
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My son is also ASD, also went through all years of school with an IEP. School professionals talked down to us, used confusing acronyms, etc. Then I got elected to the School Board, and their attitude toward us did a 180. Pathetic.

In any case, the intensive, in-school courses should be a lot more hands-on with individual help and the pacing your kid needs. Since it is required, you might want to give it a shot to see if it is in any way helpful. It might be that you can set up a more intensive monitoring schedule with his IEP team as a compromise, checking in bi-weekly on his progress to see how things are going. And if he does nosedive in the intensive programs, call for an IEP team meeting to discuss alternatives... like the virtual schooling he excelled at.

It sucks -- schools are always exhorting parents to get involved, but get involved too much, and they tell you to back off...

Otherwise, immediately look into local forums where you can check in with other parents of special needs kids. There is a lot of help available, but it is a tangle of state and federal requirements, and for much of what your kid may be entitled, you have to ask, have to know to ask and what to ask for, it will not be offered. Rules and regs differ state to state and even district to district, so any advice offered here may not apply to your situation. You need to find local advocacy sources to give you the 411 on your state and school system.
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Originally Posted by RubenX View Post
School says there's "a law" for those intensive classes, hence their hands are tied. I would love to know what that law is, and how it was written.
Don't know if that's a state law or local or what that they are referring to.

And it might not be a law at all but an administrative standard at the district level or state education department level.

Check out 504 accomodations too they are not the same as IEPs.
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My son was diagnosed in 4th grade with an ASD (Aspergers). We went through the IEP process until he graduated High School. He was miserable in elementary and started to act out in middle school. He had an appointed psychologist from the county who helped him to cope in human interactions. He bloomed in high school, taking some honors classes, wrestling team, IB Music. He graduated from Purdue U. in engineering and is now employed in that field. My point is that once you find out what makes him click, he will likely excel and eventually find ways of compensating for the ASD. ** My son believes that the aspergers allowed him to see problems from perspectives unavailable to others and that contributed to his success in the field.
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Perhaps concentrate on getting him appropriate accommodations and adaptations in the brick and mortar school so that he does not fail? Definitely make contact with other parents of students on the autism spectrum. Applied Behavior Analysis should be helpful in determining the accommodations necessary on the IEP to provide him with the Free and Appropriate Public Education the laws entitle him to. Your state Autism Society likely provides advocacy services for IEP meetings. It might be helpful for his social skills to participate with the general school population if he has adequate supports.
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IEP is determined by the parents AND educators, not dictated by any particular subset. If the virtual school cannot provide the curriculum, which according to them is required, then it may be difficult to push on that front. I don't know about "virtual school".

But, if he does have to go to the brick and mortar school, they will have to provide the accommodations which your child needs and which have been agreed to. If that means they hire a teacher just for him, and teach him by himself in a separate class, then that's what they have to do. Keep an open mind, since you may be able to come up with something like that which will be beneficial to his education.
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Well, it's been a few weeks of ups and downs with the school system giving us the run around. Last year they suggested the virtual school due to the more flexible pacing. Then the boy fails the grade by only passing 4 out of the 14 courses during the school year (2 out of 7 each semester). We try out the online virtual school of the local county for 2 courses, which the boy passes with As (94% and 96%). So, it works... but...

Even with 2 summer courses, it's still a failed grade. According to traditional schooling rules of thumb, that means you have to repeat the entire grade, the whole thing, even the classes you passed. I spent the summer trying to get an answer from the local school as per what it going to happen. But with counselors on summer vacation, all I got from the school during summer was "we gotta wait".

Summer ends, counselors show up and say the boy has to repeat the entire grade if he stays on brick and mortar school. I go to the county's virtual school and they say they can't allow flexible pacing outside summer. I go to the state's virtual school, they say then need approval from the local school. Back to the school, counselors say it's too late for transferring to state virtual, that it's gonna have to be the county one.

IEP meeting! Hurray rejoice... or not. county virtual says there's a "state law" which require kids who failed exams "xyz" to take "remedial classes" on brick and mortar school. Meaning he can be on the county virtual for 5 classes, but still have to attend regular school for the 2 "remedial courses". They actually said:

"it's a state law, from the legislators at Tallahasee, nothing we can do, the boy failed the tests, he has to take the remedial courses".

I come back home, do research. The cited "state law" was shenanigans, it was eliminated last year by the governor (linky). And the tests they mention, the boy never failed them... because he never took them, because those tests are not given to 9 graders, they are for 10 graders. I go to the county school administration building, they send me to the local school, which sends me to the county virtual office, which sends me back to the county office... and the merry goes round keeps going.

In the mean time, brick and mortar school is running, but can't schedule the 2 classes together or provide transportation other than from 6:30am to 3:00pm, for 2 classes... :\ so the boy can't really go to school, but it's still earning absences towards a truancy misdemeanor. The only option left for us was to give the final "hasta la vista" to the public school system, by declaring the boy "home-schooled" at the "Ruben's Institute or Higher Learning". He got to keep the already assigned virtual courses, which will make up what he failed, and earn some credits towards the grade he's supposed to be in. And he's "sheltered" there until we can come up with the money to pay an IEP advocate to help us deal with the county's school system shenanigans and run-around.

So here I am, with the boy doing virtual school courses (tho classified as "home-schooled", but earning virtual school credits)... taking currently 6 courses... the highest grade sits solid at 100% A, the lowest grade sits at 94% A.

I have lost all faith on the local public school system who keeps saying "your boy needs this remedial classes, we have doctors that have studied how to deal with aspergers"... shenanigans... where you think the boy got the asperger's from? I'm the older aspie here, I know what needs to be done and the current grade-book reflects that. Yet the local county public school system ignores IEP law, ignores the current progress being made, defies logic, cites laws that doesn't exist, points at scores of tests that were never taken and tries to force the boy back into the system that has been failing for the last 10 years. Grrrr!

And as a bonus, The Ruben's Institute of Higher Learning is also schooling the boy on college level physics, practical electronics and c++ computer programming. We are soldering sensors to our microcontroller boards (ardruinos), adding stepper motors, designing, building and programming autonomous robots... way beyond what the local school does with the battery powered light-bulb experiment. All at the world famous Ruben's kitchen table, 2nd edition.
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Good luck man. It sounds like your boy is exceedingly lucky to have you as a Dad. Not many kids in his situation are so fortunate.
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