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Old 12-26-16, 11:25 AM
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Time for a new TV...a little help?

I suppose the timing couldn't be better, with after-Christmas sales and all...

Our 7 year-old Samsung 40" LCD TV has died. I think it gave me a warning a few weeks ago but now I just have a black screen. Hitting "Menu" or "Tools" or "Source" on the remote yields nothing...even though the little indicator blinks to show it's getting the command.

We cut the cord back in March and our set-up is centered around Tivo OTA (Over the Air) and an Onkyo A/V receiver for 3 channel sound (Left-Center-Right).

We are not picky regarding video or sound, although any replacement we get has to have a decent viewing angles since we're pretty spread out in the living room if there's 4 of us watching a movie.

I think the most basic fix is to get a 1080p unit (maybe even tuner-free since that's through Tivo). We can go 50" for under $500 easily. I feel like I'm wasting a little money on a "SMART" TV (if I keep everything the same as it is right now) but realize there's the option to change the configuration a bit and run all streaming through the TV...but then I have to figure out how to get streaming sound to the A/V receiver.

I started wondering whether I should look at the 4K TVs...some of which are under $1000, but I can't quite figure out how well they perform when the input is 1080p (that's what the A/V receiver outputs on HDMI)...so basically unless I replace a lot of things, a 4K seems like a waste. Unless I run all streaming through the TV, since I think there's some High Def through NetFlix/Amazon/Hulu? But on the 4k, I've read that a 1080 signal can actually look bad. Anyone?

Am I missing something w/r to 4K? Am I "future proofing" for the next time I something dies on me (like the receiver?). I can't even guess where the technology will be in 5 years, so 4K could already be outdated.

Any thoughts/experience is appreciated.
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I would warn that standards are all over the place for what the "future" of 4K looks like. A PC (if you use that method) cannot stream 4K because of some rights protection thing. Many of your "older" (read as a couple of years old) receivers and A/V equipment can't pass through 4K anyway. In some cases you will even find that your once working Dolby passthrough quits working as well.

For the price, and the gimmick that is 4K right now, I would personally (re)choose to go with a quality 1080 set without the smart features.
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best tv choice i made was go 4k its mind blowing
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Old 12-26-16, 12:11 PM
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You didn't say what the budget was.

https://www.cnet.com/pictures/best-tvs-under-500/

We watch a LOT of old tv shows, I wonder how bad they would look on a 4K..

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Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
best tv choice i made was go 4k its mind blowing
Funny enough, wind and I have the same TV. I am not disappointed in the Insignia Roku we both chose for price and feature...what bothers me more is the lack of a unified standard within the industry any more.

Used to be you had three cables, red, white and yellow. They all worked, color for color on all equipment. Then it moved on to component video, but still the same deal. VGA cables always work with a VGA connection.....then THEN there comes HDMI that you have to hope like hell you are on the correct version and matching standards between manufacturers for everything to work and talk right....oh and heaven forbid you have something older than a year or two you want compatible. BAH@!

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Have you looked into getting it fixed? Power supply issues can potentially be an easy and affordable fix. So many hdtvs are tossed now days for this common problem. I worked with a guy in SC who fixed a lot of tvs he picked up from the curb. He said, "if only people knew how easy it was".

Are you dead set on getting a new tv? As for new, I wouldn't bother with 4K. Heck, I'm fine with standard DVD quality. But to each their own. If you do go new, make sure the new one has the types and quantity of jacks for your needs. The low and middle end stuff typically have few HDMI jacks. Some don't even have a 3.5mm audio out jack. Some sort of audio out jack is damn near mandatory since the tv speakers on all but the high end tvs are simply awful...even for non-discriminating listeners.

I picked up a 40" Samsung for the family vacation property. Originally got a Vizio, but it would randomly turn itself on and be on for several days with nobody around. After a quick google, I realized that this apparently is not an uncommon problem. I returned it.

I have two Samsungs at home, a 40" and 54". The former is almost ten years old. The latter is ~3yo, and has exhibited some hiccups. At this point, I have little faith in any brand of tv as being called a "durable good".
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I got 2 Vizio for $300, not that Large , The big price Bump Comes in the bigger screen size..
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Mmm, yes, in the interest of cheap fix, you might open it and look at a couple of the caps on the "turn on" board. My current Samsung (bedroom) TV cost me .14 in parts to fix, not including the soldering iron.
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Heck, I'm fine with standard DVD quality.
See if you can't find a Oppo DV-983H. I have 2 of them.
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I just bought a Vizio E55-DU2 from Best Buy. It was $449 plus sales tax. The picture is stunning and I added a Vizio SB3851 soundbar also from Best Buy.
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I bought our Samsung LCD the same time you did. So far it is ok, but if it goes, the first thing I will try is replacing capacitors, as it is a known issue. (We hear them make a cracking sound as they discharge, but so far, no obvious issues.) Depending on your distance from the TV, you might never see any benefit from 4K. (We wouldn't).



Having to get a new receiver/processor isn't the end of the world, but if you don't have a burning need for 4K, why blow money on a TV when you can spend it on bike stuff?

Costco often has good prices and return policy on Samsung and other TVs of similar quality.
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Thanks for all the responses and advice! I'm going to replace it tomorrow with either a 48" or 50" 1080p TV so I can just drop it into my current configuration. I think 55" is too big given the viewing distance to the couch is about 14'.

Looking at Vizios and Samsungs but will make final decision in the store.
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I don't know anything about your wall-space requirements, but you might want something larger.

TV sizes and viewing distance
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See if you can't find a Oppo DV-983H. I have 2 of them.
I was referring to the hdtv's resolution capability, and therefore my lack of interest in 4K, 5K, or getoffmylawn K.

I do have a BR player, but seldom use its blu-ness.
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For Christmas, we bought a Samsung 4K UHD 70" LED from Costco. It was on sale at $ 1500 or so, from the usual price of $ 2000. It is in our living room about 12 feet from our seating arrangements. An amazing picture, especially the 4K output from our Comcast X1 cable box. We bought a Samsung soundbar that connects via bluetooth. A very immersive experience, and we should have done this a while back. It replaced a 40" 1080p Vizio that was about five years old.
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What content, other than football is available on 4k?
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Originally Posted by skijor View Post

I was referring to the hdtv's resolution capability, and therefore my lack of interest in 4K, 5K, or getoffmylawn K.

I do have a BR player, but seldom use its blu-ness.
The 983H was the best non-exotic dvd player. The quality of dvd playback isn't usually a big issue issue with most blu ray players. Perhaps that has changed. Since I have no interest in blu-ray, I haven't paid attention.

In any case, the 983H has excellent picture and sound for dvd, read some of the old reviews. The tricky part is finding one.
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Originally Posted by dstrong View Post

Thanks for all the responses and advice! I'm going to replace it tomorrow with either a 48" or 50" 1080p TV so I can just drop it into my current configuration. I think 55" is too big given the viewing distance to the couch is about 14'.

Looking at Vizios and Samsungs but will make final decision in the store.
It's a resolution thing, if the pic is good enough, you can swing the larger tv. At 1080P, the pic is good enough for that distance, IMHO. Of course, that also depends on the source material.
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Don't forget the extended warranty. (How can you lose?!?!)
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Still have not seen any TV out there today as good as Plasmas which are gone forever.
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Don't forget the extended warranty. (How can you lose?!?!)
Waste of money.
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Can't help you much there, all of mine are 33-38 years old and Trinitrons, spent less than $15 used for all three.
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We got 2 TVs what seemed dirt-cheap this week last year when they were blowing everything out to make room for 4k. This year our son got an xbox one which does 4k out, and it comes with a special (it says) 4k hdmi cable. I don't know if that's real but if it is what a pain. We aren't updating the TV to meet the new games.
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What content, other than football is available on 4k?

We have some 4K content via Comcast on Netflix, HBO and our local PBS station. You really can tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by MillCreek View Post
We have some 4K content via Comcast on Netflix, HBO and our local PBS station. You really can tell the difference.
Oh I am sure you can... I've seen the demos at my local Costco... but with so little content available, and the "standard" still in flux... it may be better to wait on those 4K models. The 1080 models have a nice low price right now.
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