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Old 02-23-17, 10:17 PM
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Old car question (way off topic but nowhere else to ask

Didn't know where to inquire --- and this is actually the only forum/website I frequent with any regularity

But I was thinking that C&V cycling enthusiasts might be C&V in other aspects

For some reason I like big 80's luxo-barges and bought an '86 Lincoln Town Car with 83k on it a few months back --- its a total gas

Garage kept its entire life, with a great looking velour interior --- the 2nd owner went through a lot of its issues (new fuel tank, pump, hoses, etc and I paid up to update the AC system - car is very presentable, but has its share of parking lot dents that need to be massaged out (very small and with white paint, - hard to notice)

--- Came across another '86 Lincoln , -- but with 38k on it ----- cleaner bodywork -- nary a dent -- but car was shuffled around after the PO departed the earth for 15 years -- Vinyl top is trash, front seats and dash are trashed out from the sun ---- but man -- those low miles


--- A guy told me not to get sucked in by the low odo reading, as a car like that needs a full restoration --- vs mine which just needs some more odds n ends here and there as it has been garaged the vast majority of life, and maintained

But man - that 38k car had some straight sheetmetal . Was warned about sludge in engine and transmission , plus the expense of re-furbing an AC system (which I just did) - along with other old car gremlins - window motors , power seat motors, etc. , along with the obvious stuff like re-covering the landau and front seats



------ What say you guys? - push forward with my slightly less straight 83k mile machine and get it PDR'ed --- or sell it and start over with a 38k mile survivor ?

These aren't 68 Vettes or Camaros, to be fair - which would be worth a bit of trouble for a super low mile survivor --- just some fun cruisers to make a statement on the weekend -- not my daily transpo either


The only reason I am even asking about this is I looked at the 38k mile car a week ago and offered the guy a price, - he turned me down then, but just texted me saying he is re-considering accepting my prior offer (in the meantime, I said - heck with it and started squaring away my machine --- and started thinking it may be less trouble and cash to continue squaring my current machine away than starting over-- (still needing some minor odds n ends, but no major mechanical issues at all -- drove it 60 miles today running errand in fact
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Stick with your current ride. Other one sounds like a money pit with a straight body. You said it yourself; they're never going to be worth much in monetary value.
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I know a bit about the collector car marketplace. A 1986 Lincoln Town Car with 83k in my marketplace is about $1,000 dollars provided it starts and you can test drive it. I wouldn't pay any more than that for it. Ford made 100's of thousands of these cars. It is not rare and it is not collectable. There are lots of forums that specialize on collectable cars, find one.
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I think age matters more than mileage once you go back that far. Everything deteriorates and it does so faster when not in use. So I don't think the lower mileage is all that appealing. The other is likely to have a whole lot more problems than the visible roof and seats. I'd stick with what you've got.

Wish I still had my 64 Continental. That was a boat. With a 4 bbl carb, you could literally hear the gas pouring in when you floored it.
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I think age matters more than mileage once you go back that far. Everything deteriorates and it so faster when not in use. So I don't think the lower mileage is all that appealing. The other is likely to have a whole lot more problems than the visible roof and seats. I'd stick with what you've got.

Wish I still had my 64 Continental. That was a boat. With a 4 bbl carb, you could literally hear the gas pouring in when you floored it.
That 64 Continental and the way you so eloquently describe the fuel economy, is really collectable. With a good, straight, rust free body, it would be worth $10,000 or better. I wish I kept my 1968 Dodge Charger. With it's bondo body and just a 383 engine, it would be in the $20,000 or better range. Highly collectable. I have seen 1968 Chargers go for more than $300,000. US dollars of course.
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Garage kept its entire life, with a great looking velour interior --- the 2nd owner went through a lot of its issues (new fuel tank, pump, hoses, etc and I paid up to update the AC system - car is very presentable,

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--- Came across another '86 Lincoln , -- but with 38k on it ----- cleaner bodywork -- nary a dent

Vinyl top is trash, front seats and dash are trashed out from the sun

, plus the expense of re-furbing an AC system - along with other old car gremlins - window motors , power seat motors, etc. , along with the obvious stuff like re-covering the landau and front seats
You made a pretty good comparison, you just need to decide what the better body is worth to you. The low miler will cost more time and money than the one you have but might be worth it to you.
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The poor man's Cadillac. Find a 1976 Eldorado! Far more collectible.

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6007333021.html
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Not knowing where the dents are, I would be tempted to fix the dents and go two tone, as I recall this is the slab sided body that had even a factory two tone paint scheme.
White body, dark blue vinyl roof and dark navy slab sides... So Cartier

The low mile vehicle might make a good parts car, seriously.
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I know a bit about the collector car marketplace. A 1986 Lincoln Town Car with 83k in my marketplace is about $1,000 dollars provided it starts and you can test drive it. I wouldn't pay any more than that for it. Ford made 100's of thousands of these cars. It is not rare and it is not collectable. There are lots of forums that specialize on collectable cars, find one.

They made about 800,000 of them , mol between 1980 and 1989 in fact, (about the same as the 1st gen camaro's did in a 3 year production run) -- the number that are still presentable? Probably far less than the number of presentable 1st gen Camaro's out there today

Apples to oranges comparison true, --- and yes, I am aware that these aren't particularly collectible --- but I wasn't trying to validate my purchase or seek approval or praise, just making a fairly general inquiry

My 75 C-10 big block machine is far more rare and "collectible" in comparison

You'll note that I didn't post my purchase price or the price of the other rig -- in both cases, was and is more than $1000. I would imagine most 30-40 year olds cars in your neck of the woods would have serious corrosion issues to color your judgement on things though
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The poor man's Cadillac. Find a 1976 Eldorado! Far more collectible.

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6007333021.html
About a decade ago there was parked locally a 1967 Cadillac Eldorado for sale, black over black, no vinyl roof ( rare) $10k. I was very tempted, it was perfect looking. My adoring wife who let me stop and look advised that maybe my Next Wife would appreciate it...

BTW, that '76 Eldorado linked has a "scissor" top frame... Dangerous. Watch one open and close and you will understand why.

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I personally would stick with the 83k one, there will be alot of service needed for the 38k car, even with the low miles and the obvious issues, there will be alot of bushings and seals that need to be replaced. or you could go C&V on it and have both. and redo the 38k one and then sell one.

but if were to keep one, it would be the serviced 83k one
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Not knowing where the dents are, I would be tempted to fix the dents and go two tone, as I recall this is the slab sided body that had even a factory two tone paint scheme.
White body, dark blue vinyl roof and dark navy slab sides... So Cartier

The low mile vehicle might make a good parts car, seriously.
Most of the dents are small and below the belt line - parking lot Gomers and road rash- almost imperceptible at a glance, but show up under scrutiny in the right light-- have been looking into PDR options, - just like our old bikes, the original paint is only original the one time.

Lol- the Cartier comment is spot on - it's kitschy and , to me, fun - in dash clocks, mirror mounted thermometers , opera lights and vinyl tops -- just the thing to crank up some Conway Twitty or Jerry Reed in and cruise

I was thinking the same thing about the low mileage car, (parts car) but I don't have a good place to store it - I'd have to sell this one -- neither one would last through a single hail season sitting outside

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Hmmm, the thread's title threw me personally, since I was expecting something totally different than a car from 1986, especially when I still have a 60's muscle car that I bought as a younger man with less miles than the OP's car.


I probably should put up a "Get Off My Lawn" sign out in front of my house.
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The poor man's Cadillac. Find a 1976 Eldorado! Far more collectible.

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6007333021.html
I like this one and have seen it on CL myself, -- looks like a fun project, If it wasn't tax season I'd be inclined to drive up and take a look
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I am not a ford person...what is the value of the car you own? If it is not a high dollar car and you can get the pristine 86 for a good price....I would think about buying it and switching the parts (if possible** etc. Make one super clean ride and sell the other.
I know a lot of people that have bought parts cars to help with a restoration....after all. if you purchase the clean 86 you will still need to change out a lot of equipment...your car could be the donor.
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Go with the one you have. Maintain it, drive it, enjoy it. That's what I do with my 2 classics: Mercedes 1980 240D and 1994 E420. 1 with a small 4 cyl diesel, the other has a 32 valve V8. Both W123 & W124 were made in huge numbers, 2.7 million/2.5 million, so not collectable. Although there weren't many V8's, they were meant to be driven. I enjoy driving either of mine more than the newer one my wife drives. Don

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Ugh. I'm going to sound like a troll on this one. The 80s are dead to me, car-wise. Detroit hadn't quite left the stone age yet and everything is ugly as hell. If I was after a Lincoln (and at times, I'm thinkin') I'd either pony up for mid-60s survivor (beautiful cars!) or a 1990-'95 with the modern engine management electronics and the reasonable gas mileage.

Disclaimer: I once owned a 1988 Marquis, a very nice floaty, quiet ride and mine was minty when I got it cheap at 100,000 miles. Kinda schizophrenic styling with the front half of the car almost as sleek as the smoothed over continentals of the early 90s, but the back half was the same ugly vinyl half-roof, opera lights, squared off gaudy nightmare as the big Mercs and Lincolns through the 80s.
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Ahh the old Town car, thats a cool boat for sure, clean too. There is something about the smooth wavy feel of these things on the road. The 5.0 Ford V8 is a workhorse and will go 200k+ easy if maintained. (Keep the tranny serviced as well). Even though it is old, it shouldn't be that hard to keep it on the road. They made a lot of them, I would get a spare parts car. The later 90 has less metal but was even more successful with the body style. Like anything V8, if the price of gas goes up, and you care about spending cash, it doesn't matter how good a deal it was.
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The poor man's Cadillac. Find a 1976 Eldorado! Far more collectible.

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6007333021.html
Cmon man, that Caddy gets a 10 in style points, but a big fat zero for being front wheel drive.
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Ahh the old Town car, thats a cool boat for sure, clean too. There is something about the smooth wavy feel of these things on the road. The 5.0 Ford V8 is a workhorse and will go 200k+ easy if maintained. (Keep the tranny serviced as well). Even though it is old, it shouldn't be that hard to keep it on the road. They made a lot of them, I would get a spare parts car. The later 90 has less metal but was even more successful with the body style. Like anything V8, if the price of gas goes up, and you care about spending cash, it doesn't matter how good a deal it was.

OP is in Oklahoma. High oil and gas prices are good for the local economy!
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Go with the one you have. Maintain it, drive it, enjoy it. That's what I do with my 2 classics: Mercedes 1980 240D and 1994 E420. 1 with a small 4 cyl diesel, the other has a 32 valve V8. Both W123 & W124 were made in huge numbers, 2.7 million/2.5 million, so not collectable. Although there weren't many V8's, they were meant to be driven. I enjoy driving either of mine more than the newer one my wife drives. Don
I'd have to disagree, while W123s and 124s were manufactured in large numbers good ones are very sought after here in England and in Germany.

All are fine cars but it is certain models of 123 & 124 that are the more sought after - I have two 124s, a 300CE and a Porsche built 500E - both are regarded as collectable.

Cars that have been unused for long periods (years/decades) can look stunning, especially if garaged, but can cost many $s/£s to recommisssion for regular use - hoses, electrical systems, brakes, fuel systems...the list is long.

John.

N.B I like 70s and 80s American sedans, drove Crown Victoria company cars when I was living over there, a late very Marquis would be nice - the one with the floor shift.

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I have a lot of experience with restoring cars and buying cheap old cars for family to drive (and doing the subsequent repairs on those).


Once you get past about 10 or 12 years old, it doesn't really matter how many miles are on it. Your car is pretty low miles itself. When you are talking about a certain age, it is sometimes better to get a car with high miles that is being driven daily vs. a car with extremely low miles that sits.
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For a 31 year old car without a big following, I think the difference in mileage is negligible. These are old v8s, either car could spin a bearing or start blowing oil past the valve seals without notice.

For me, the real pains are in the electronic and vacuum actuated creature comforts of which I'm sure this car has many. These tend to be mileage agnostic and are affected more by age.

Based on this, it really comes down to the sheet metal for me. And even then, that's a big price tag to make the other one as presentable as yours already is. As others have noted, this is not the car to invest that much into.
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The poor man's Cadillac. Find a 1976 Eldorado! Far more collectible.
I'm thinkin' language is strange. "More collectible" usually means it is worth more, which means you have to pay more for it, which means you can't collect them as easily, which make it less collectible.

Which brings us to the OP's question. If you like the collection concept, then go for the the straight one with better body. If you like the collectin', then once you've collected it you are done, and then have to collect another. Like we do with bikes. If you want a cool car to drive around, keep the one that you have and that works, the one you've already collected.
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I agree with most here. Stick with what you have. Once you replace the dash, seats etc. Yours is more original. See if you can get the dents pushed out. There are some experienced guys on CL. Compare them to see who is good at older metals and get a price. They will do a reasonable price if car is not high dollar.

I understand the big comfy car thing. I had a thing for 79' Coupe DeVilles where the tail light change was a better look and rear window was separate. I wish I would have kept one but ended up moving on to Jeeps and offroad since I don't really need to drive. Our primary driver is a newer caddy so at least I influenced her :-)

My older brothers were into hot rods. They had a Charger and Challenger. I think they regret selling those. Lol.
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