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Old 03-12-17, 07:35 AM
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Zen yet?

Have any of you picked up the new Ryzen yet?

I was super excited about this release. The pre-release review gave it a very mediocre review, but a couple of the post release reviews have solidly put the 1800X in 2/3rd place right behind two i7 which are both double or more the cost.
I have seen a few other reviews that post them well down the list.

I am considering building one in a few months or so, as I hope to see them come off the release price and also a few more mobo choices to come out. This will be my first DDR4 build, so I can't just reuse parts I have around.
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Not yet. I can't really afford my own garden, but I've been sneaking onto the golf course for practice.

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Not yet. I can't really afford my own garden, but I've been sneaking onto the golf course for practice.

I haven't attained that level of enlightenment yet either....
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Have any of you picked up the new Ryzen yet?

I was super excited about this release. The pre-release review gave it a very mediocre review, but a couple of the post release reviews have solidly put the 1800X in 2/3rd place right behind two i7 which are both double or more the cost.
I have seen a few other reviews that post them well down the list.

I am considering building one in a few months or so, as I hope to see them come off the release price and also a few more mobo choices to come out. This will be my first DDR4 build, so I can't just reuse parts I have around.
I'm going to do an upgrade when I can make up what I laughingly refer to as my mind.

Don't sweat the early stuff. AMD has a lot of work to do on it, and a lot of reviewers get a little on the side, if you get my drift. Looks like there also some teething problems on the mobos..

Lastly, this will depend a lot on what you actually do. Only thing I do that makes a puter sweat is games.

Currently, games are mostly single threaded, advantage Intel.

But I am thinking that will change, advantage AMD.

I am waiting for VR to mature. VR has prob just started kicking computers around, and that suggests to me highly threaded game programs. (But don't trust my computer predictions, I am almost always wrong when I try to predict technology)

But... if I was going to upgrade today, I'd get a 7700K.

But I'm hoping I can wait a while, and see how things shake out. I was going to do that with my video card, and it died recently. Which woke my paranoia up.
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Old 03-13-17, 11:45 AM
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^ the "game single thread" thing is a few years old. Games have caught up, even older titles if you read the recommends call for 2 or more proc, and typically that along with good video as well. I play a lot of older titles and low resource new ones that I find and like. As a "for instance" a game I just picked up called Grim Dawn, basically a rewrite of Diablo, uses quite a bit to scroll smoothly, and I am running a 4690 now.

Mostly the new build will be a for the heck of it build. I have done my last several on i# builds from second to fourth gen. I had a lot of parts left over after running into a deadend on a video card compat with a Dell i7, and had a buttload of parts and memory left. It made the two 4th gen builds I did nearly free all things considered. The current box is running a GTX960Ti, and it's about all the heat/power I can muster in the mini ITX build server chassis I have it in. Putting even one step better card will run me into temp issues that I couldn't resolve without going water cooling, etc and I just don't want to fit it all in this already tight case.

I am already collecting parts for the build. I have a case, a good Antec PS, a new pci SSD...so once this release price drops I think an 1800x is the build I am looking to.
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I was waiting for zen to be launched, hoping it would lower the prices of the FX series. For the past few months it's been:

FX-8350 (8 cores) $149
FX-6300 (6 cores) $89
FX-4300 (4 cores) $64

The 6300 alone is about 3 times as fast as the Phenom II X6 I have on this 7 years old machine. Is difficult to justify the extra 60 bucks for the 2 extra cores of the 8350, when most of the things I do do not require that much multi-threading. But AMD started with the $300+ Ryzen's. Until they launch the lower end Ryzen's, FX-8300 prices will prolly remain the same.

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On the other hand... the FX-9590 which was out of my radar because the price was $239... just dropped on new egg to $159... nice. Still out of my reach tho, since you still need to add about a $100 on a water cooler to tame the heat of the 4.7Ghz. But nice to know.
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a) WHOA, it's Ruben!
b) I figure I will get my hands on one of these in 5-8 years at the rate I get computing hardware at home.
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True, the FX and A series procs can be picked up for a song right now.
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
a) WHOA, it's Ruben!
Yeah, nothing like an AMD thread to summon the Rube... a hardcore AMD mega-fan
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I am on my 2012-vintage dual-core AMD C-60 netbook right now with an amazing 1GHz of blazing speed.
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
a) WHOA, it's Ruben!
b) I figure I will get my hands on one of these in 5-8 years at the rate I get computing hardware at home.

I was watching You Tube on a 1.5 GHz HP Pavilion with XP less than five years ago.
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I am on my 2012-vintage dual-core AMD C-60 netbook right now with an amazing 1GHz of blazing speed.
I made the mistake of buying one of these in the netbook craze. I tried a couple of different Windows builds down to "lite", and then went Ubuntu. I would have to say that IF you could qualify it as operational at it's best, that was it. Loved the form factor but have to consider how much this played into the "death" of the laptop.




It appears in real world review and testing that the sweet spot seems to be with the 1700 model right now. Price to performance many people are poo poo-ing the single thread performance and lack of real OC with the 1800x model. Most of that seems to come back to mobo support, for now. We shall see.
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I made the mistake of buying one of these in the netbook craze. I tried a couple of different Windows builds down to "lite", and then went Ubuntu. I would have to say that IF you could qualify it as operational at it's best, that was it. Loved the form factor but have to consider how much this played into the "death" of the laptop.
I got mine free on credit card points.

It's got 4GB of RAM in it and an SSD now, so it isn't a total slug. But you can only do so much with dual 1GHz cores. Over time, I have run Arch, Debian, Mint Debian Edition (probably one of my all-time favorites), openSUSE, Ubuntu MATE, and Xubuntu on it. Currently, I have Xubuntu with jwm as the desktop. It is my travel, take-on-the-bike, and gee-that-lenovo-is-too-big-for-my-lap machine. My coworkers get a kick out of me rolling to meetings with it.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post

It appears in real world review and testing that the sweet spot seems to be with the 1700 model right now.
That's what I was thinking. But now that Intel has dropped the price on the 7700K, it becomes a much tougher call.

Right now it's only $30 more, and there is no way to avoid this: it's badass.



While you can expect AMD to improve performance, that's a lot of ground to make up.
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I got mine free on credit card points.

It's got 4GB of RAM in it and an SSD now, so it isn't a total slug. But you can only do so much with dual 1GHz cores. Over time, I have run Arch, Debian, Mint Debian Edition (probably one of my all-time favorites), openSUSE, Ubuntu MATE, and Xubuntu on it. Currently, I have Xubuntu with jwm as the desktop. It is my travel, take-on-the-bike, and gee-that-lenovo-is-too-big-for-my-lap machine. My coworkers get a kick out of me rolling to meetings with it.
"Free" was almost a good deal then.

I attempted to use this on XBMC as a media player for a small TV. On paper it could have worked, but the constant stuttering during action sealed it's fate. I went back to Ubuntu and sold it on CL for a few bucks.

Funny enough, I have an even WORSE one on the way. One of the little Eee PC jobies with the Atom in it. Total POS, but no one should be looking to steal it for the use I have slated it for.
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