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Woodworking.

I'm eschewing nearly all of my power tools for traditional hand tools and taking up woodworking. I just took delivery of a Stanley no 4 plane, couple of sharpen-able panel saws, a Japanese tenon saw, a honing guide, and some diamond sharpening stones. On my next day off I'm taking the boy with me to pick up some chisels and an Irwin wood vise. I'm going to rip out the existing workbench in my garage, and use Paul Sellers's bench building video to replace it. When I have everything I need, have plans for timber framing a sofa, dining table, and bed frame. Hopefully all goes well!
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I'm eschewing nearly all of my power tools for traditional hand tools and taking up woodworking. I just took delivery of a Stanley no 4 plane, couple of sharpen-able panel saws, a Japanese tenon saw, a honing guide, and some diamond sharpening stones. On my next day off I'm taking the boy with me to pick up some chisels and an Irwin wood vise. I'm going to rip out the existing workbench in my garage, and use Paul Sellers's bench building video to replace it. When I have everything I need, have plans for timber framing a sofa, dining table, and bed frame. Hopefully all goes well!
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fun. how old is your boy? I remember building a stool with my 6 yr old son. it wasn't his thing. we wound up bonding over baseball instead. at 21 we still share sports but haven't played catch in a long while
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fun. how old is your boy? I remember building a stool with my 6 yr old son. it wasn't his thing. we wound up bonding over baseball instead. at 21 we still share sports but haven't played catch in a long while

He's 4. He absolutely loves tools; when I unboxed my Gyokucho 372 saw his eyes widened and he exclaimed "you got a sword!!" Wouldn't trade him for the world.
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Good luck to ya... do you have any background in wood? I litterally have a difficult time getting two boards together. None of my wood projects has been great... merely just functional.

I have good mechanical and technical skills, but not good woodworking skills... some little detail always fouls me up.
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I straddle the line between woodworker and carpenter-- yes, i can do all of the joinery, but generally will go with nothing more complex than fingerjoints, and further usually prefer the good old threaded steel dowel (what we always jokingly called screws.) I can make a jewelry box or a chest of drawers as easily as hang a door or frame in a window. We always said that the difference between a woodworker and a carpenter was tolerance. Building a house, 1/4" is acceptable- that's what shims are for. Woodworkers always have a mallet nearby.

I've watched videos on YouTube of a guy who does big woodworking builds using nothing but hand tools-- even wood augers for drilling big through-holes. And while I appreciate the guy's passion and attention to detail, my shop is full of power tools, and there would be more if I had the space. I make things for a living. For many the process is as important as the result, but I'm not really concerned with the process so long as said process is efficient and repeatable.

So you'll find me in the opposite spectrum-- my Japanese dovetail saw and wet stones live in a cabinet, but the four Porter Cable routers are in easy reach, on the shelf across from all of the air nailers. I just recently replaced my Jet ProShop 3hp table saw with a 5hp Jet X-Acta saw, and it is glorious.
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Originally Posted by jfowler85 View Post
He's 4. He absolutely loves tools; when I unboxed my Gyokucho 372 saw his eyes widened and he exclaimed "you got a sword!!" Wouldn't trade him for the world.


Safety 1st - get him miniature Kevlar work gloves & a box of safety glasses. Also (speaking from experience), anything electrical you use must be not only turned OFF, but unplugged to prevent mini-you from quickly turning something on that could hurt either of you or damage something else. All those sharp planers, rasps, etc. will have to in a seriously locked cabinet to prevent unsupervised or unauthorized use by the little guy. Been there, believe me. A locked workshop door has nothing over a 4 year old with enough stuff to stack to get into the unlocked window.
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This is what my hubby used to make. Chainsaw, mini-grinder & a heck of a lot of sanding...
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
I straddle the line between woodworker and carpenter-- yes, i can do all of the joinery, but generally will go with nothing more complex than fingerjoints, and further usually prefer the good old threaded steel dowel (what we always jokingly called screws.) I can make a jewelry box or a chest of drawers as easily as hang a door or frame in a window. We always said that the difference between a woodworker and a carpenter was tolerance. Building a house, 1/4" is acceptable- that's what shims are for. Woodworkers always have a mallet nearby.

I've watched videos on YouTube of a guy who does big woodworking builds using nothing but hand tools-- even wood augers for drilling big through-holes. And while I appreciate the guy's passion and attention to detail, my shop is full of power tools, and there would be more if I had the space. I make things for a living. For many the process is as important as the result, but I'm not really concerned with the process so long as said process is efficient and repeatable.

So you'll find me in the opposite spectrum-- my Japanese dovetail saw and wet stones live in a cabinet, but the four Porter Cable routers are in easy reach, on the shelf across from all of the air nailers. I just recently replaced my Jet ProShop 3hp table saw with a 5hp Jet X-Acta saw, and it is glorious.
I've seen both ends of the spectrum on PBS... the guy with the hand wood working tools... Which I admire, and the guy with the full shop of power tools... Which I lust after. In the latter case however, I wonder what would happen if he just didn't have the right power tool... That Woodwright guy seems to be able to fashion tools out of anything.
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I've got a lot of hand tools and used them extensively, but nowadays, I will gladly exchange nearly any hand-done task for something I can do with a jig on machinery. There's a difference between woodworking by hand because you want to do it by hand, and woodworking to get something done, which can usually be done more efficiently and quicker with appropriate use of power tools.

Good on the OP for deciding to go with hand tools -- there's definitely skills involved which are good to learn. I keep a number of planes handy and it's good to know how to use them, and I still have a set of sharp chisels kicking around.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
I've seen both ends of the spectrum on PBS... the guy with the hand wood working tools... Which I admire, and the guy with the full shop of power tools... Which I lust after. In the latter case however, I wonder what would happen if he just didn't have the right power tool... That Woodwright guy seems to be able to fashion tools out of anything.
I put a door together using a square chisel mortising machine and cutting tenons on the table saw, finishing both off with hand chisels. I dare say I got a door which was in plane specifically because I did not do the initial operations using hand tools...
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Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
Safety 1st - get him miniature Kevlar work gloves & a box of safety glasses. Also (speaking from experience), anything electrical you use must be not only turned OFF, but unplugged to prevent mini-you from quickly turning something on that could hurt either of you or damage something else. All those sharp planers, rasps, etc. will have to in a seriously locked cabinet to prevent unsupervised or unauthorized use by the little guy. Been there, believe me. A locked workshop door has nothing over a 4 year old with enough stuff to stack to get into the unlocked window.
Do we have the same kid?
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This is what my hubby used to make. Chainsaw, mini-grinder & a heck of a lot of sanding...
Nice !! My daughter started making a dugout canoe last summer..... it's half finished in the barn.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
I've got a lot of hand tools and used them extensively, but nowadays, I will gladly exchange nearly any hand-done task for something I can do with a jig on machinery. There's a difference between woodworking by hand because you want to do it by hand, and woodworking to get something done, which can usually be done more efficiently and quicker with appropriate use of power tools.

Good on the OP for deciding to go with hand tools -- there's definitely skills involved which are good to learn. I keep a number of planes handy and it's good to know how to use them, and I still have a set of sharp chisels kicking around.
But you have to make a jig... so for something that is one off... how much time did you actually save?

Again, my woodworking skills are pretty minimal. I do own a table saw, drill press, planes, chisels, routers and some circular saws. Oh and lots of measuring and squaring tools... (which never seem to result in what I desired... )
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Here is one of my projects. 16th cent. Cittern made with plan from Asholean Museum


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But you have to make a jig... so for something that is one off... how much time did you actually save?
Do any sort of woodworking for a few years, and watch your shop rapidly fill with jigs. Then you'll find yourself building drawers, shelves, and bins to hold the jigs. If you're making more than 2 of something... you end up making a jig.
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OK I'm going to guess , I have no idea . But I like it .
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OK I'm going to guess , I have no idea . But I like it .
Lots of brightwork on my PSC Orion... constant work.

BTW, damn nice blocks.
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Originally Posted by jfowler85 View Post
I'm eschewing nearly all of my power tools for traditional hand tools and taking up woodworking. I just took delivery of a Stanley no 4 plane, couple of sharpen-able panel saws, a Japanese tenon saw, a honing guide, and some diamond sharpening stones. On my next day off I'm taking the boy with me to pick up some chisels and an Irwin wood vise. I'm going to rip out the existing workbench in my garage, and use Paul Sellers's bench building video to replace it. When I have everything I need, have plans for timber framing a sofa, dining table, and bed frame. Hopefully all goes well!
I thought I would do the same thing. At first I thought I'd take old but good hand tools I found at garage sales and refurb them and use them. It only took a short time to realize I was spending more time refurbing tools than making anything.

So I sprung for some nice Lee Valley planes (back before the prices shot up) - just a nice block plane, a low angle smooth plane and a jack plane, plus a spokeshave, a few other things of good quality, and a few decent saws. I made a very nice piano bench starting from rough cut lumber.

When I wanted to make a bed for my daughter, jointing and planing that amount of rough cut wood by hand was daunting. So I bought a decent planer and used my friend's jointer for most of the work - although I did finish plane the headboard by hand once it was fully glued up.

That project took a huge amount of time and I realized if I wanted to get anything done in a reasonable amount of time that hand tools - for me - were not the way to go. Now I have a garage full of old but excellent oak, cherry, and maple, plus I just discovered my father has a stack of beautiful redwood he's had for years and has no plans to use.

I'll keep my hand tools because I enjoy them. But for me any work that I want to get done quickly will be done on with power tools. In the end, unless you're a true artist, nobody but you cares if you cut the wood with a table saw or a sharpened stone.
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I am nearly halfway through some furniture deconstruction and reconstruction. If I use oak to match the existing structure, then it will take all year while I cut hardwood with a hand saw.
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