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Old 05-28-17, 05:25 AM
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If he wanted to learn, he would learn.

What you are seeing, all you are seeing, is attention seeking behavior.
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Old 05-28-17, 06:57 AM
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If he wanted to learn, he would learn.

What you are seeing, all you are seeing, is attention seeking behavior.
If he really wanted to learn and engage in deeper discussions, he would go to appropriate science forums and expound on his ideas there. This is a cycling forum, not an "earth's core" (or 90% of his other topics) forum.
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Originally Posted by late View Post
If he wanted to learn, he would learn.

What you are seeing, all you are seeing, is attention seeking behavior.
Ya' think? I thought it was all the meth doing it's job.
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I think it's interesting. He has taught me a lot about free thought. That's the thing, isn't it?
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Whoa, just realized that this got moved to Foo.

That was strange..
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Originally Posted by Bandrada View Post
Whoa, just realized that this got moved to Foo.

That was strange..
Not strange at all considering the thread subject and expressed thoughts that it is based upon.
Perhaps you can learn something from these "thoughts". WARNING Strong Language used in this video.
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People get stressed over hearing other people's thoughts. Perhaps it's best just to keep them to yourself. But, then some of you wouldn't have anything to write about. You'd just be sitting around agreeing with each other, and still getting knowhere.
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Originally Posted by Bandrada View Post
I think it's interesting. He has taught me a lot about free thought. That's the thing, isn't it?
"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out"

-- Richard Feynman
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
"Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out"

-- Richard Feynman
Yes, that's right.
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Based on the OP's fanciful, speculative theory, I would like to expand upon it somewhat, and offer a tangential corollary regarding climate change.

The basic gist is that we need to use up fossil fuels and destroy the ozone layer in order slow and even reverse climate change.

Since subducted fossil fuels and biomass are contributing to heating the earth's core, and because the carboniferous era is relatively recent, it is logical to assume that this heating phenomenon is a relatively recent development and contributes to warming, both at the surface at solid crust and oceans, but also as a result in the atmosphere itself.

As well, the ozone layer protects the earth from harmful radiation which constantly bombards the planet from space. But if it contributes to deflection of radiation coming it, it is logical to presume that it also reflects radiation trying to escape the earth. In essence, it provides a barrier for radiation radiating off the earth.

So, acting on the logic internal to these presumptions, we should engage in two different activities in order to mitigate global warming -- use as many fossil fuels as quickly as possible, so that they cannot be subducted into the core and used to further heat the earth, also we must destroy the ozone layer so that what heat does arise from both use of fossil fuels on the surface, and the heat created at the core by existing biomass, may radiate freely into space, instead of being captured in the atmosphere.

We are going in the wrong direction with cuts to use of fossil fuels and must ramp up our use of internal combustion vehicles, fossil fuel burning power plants, burning of peat as a fuel source, and other uses which deplete biomass deposits before they have a chance to cause even more global climate change. While at the same time, we must aid destruction of those obstacles which prevent such heat as does occur from escaping the bounds of the earth.
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As well, the ozone layer protects the earth from harmful radiation which constantly bombards the planet from space. But if it contributes to deflection of radiation coming it, it is logical to presume that it also reflects radiation trying to escape the earth. In essence, it provides a barrier for radiation radiating off the earth.
Different wavelengths.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Different wavelengths.
Why are you ad hom-ing me?!?
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
Why are you ad hom-ing me?!?
Sorry, I didn't want to write a "treatise" most of which would be irrelevant and some probably wrong.

If I understand it correctly, the shorter wavelengths UV is mostly or completely absorbed by the ozone layer, and the longer wavelengths, if reflected by the surface would shoot mostly through.

After absorbing UV from sunlight, from sunspots for example, the ozone layer expands (further from the surface) and radiates energy (not necessarily UV) back out into space. So even to the extent it does absorb black body radiation from the Earth, it probably doesn't impact global warming any, so its destruction wouldn't help. If I understand it correctly.

That explanation invites arguments, so I figured "different wavelengths" would say it adequately without a bunch of debates, cite requests and 3rd party one-ups.
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Old 06-02-17, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Sorry, I didn't want to write a "treatise" most of which would be irrelevant and some probably wrong.

If I understand it correctly, the shorter wavelengths UV is mostly or completely absorbed by the ozone layer, and the longer wavelengths, if reflected by the surface would shoot mostly through.

After absorbing UV from sunlight, from sunspots for example, the ozone layer expands (further from the surface) and radiates energy (not necessarily UV) back out into space. So even to the extent it does absorb black body radiation from the Earth, it probably doesn't impact global warming any, so its destruction wouldn't help. If I understand it correctly.

That explanation invites arguments, so I figured "different wavelengths" would say it adequately without a bunch of debates, cite requests and 3rd party one-ups.
You must not have read the OP... MC's treatise was a tongue in cheek tangent to the ridiculous OP
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This thread was far too much to read all the way through, having only just discovered it now. I'm just hoping that the OP is aware of the spatial relationship between the crust, mantle, and core. Relatively speaking, the crust is extremely thin-- think of the thickness of paint on a car relative to the size of the car (and even that is grossly overestimated.) The amount of fossil fuels residing within that layer of paint would be the thickness of perhaps a few atoms, not distributed uniformly within the paint. There is several orders of magnitude more water distributed in the upper mantle than there could ever be fossil fuel in the crust.

Amount of fossil fuels vs. sheer mass of the outer core and lower mantle-- like transforming the Pacific Ocean into molten lava and throwing a handful of matches into it. Even if it could happen, it couldn't make any difference. Worry more about the sun running out of hydrogen. That's a scant 5-6 billion years away.
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Originally Posted by trsidn View Post
You must not have read the OP... MC's treatise was a tongue in cheek tangent to the ridiculous OP
I thought OP was tongue in cheek and probably offended him, so I didn't want to make that mistake twice. Some days, you can't win for losing.
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Whoa, just realized that this got moved to Foo.

That was strange..

Obviously a matter for the LCF forum, e.g. dark matter, no matter...
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
Based on the OP's fanciful, speculative theory, I would like to expand upon it somewhat, and offer a tangential corollary regarding climate change.
YISSSSS. A future in P&R I see...
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Sorry, I didn't want to write a "treatise" most of which would be irrelevant and some probably wrong.

If I understand it correctly, the shorter wavelengths UV is mostly or completely absorbed by the ozone layer, and the longer wavelengths, if reflected by the surface would shoot mostly through.

After absorbing UV from sunlight, from sunspots for example, the ozone layer expands (further from the surface) and radiates energy (not necessarily UV) back out into space. So even to the extent it does absorb black body radiation from the Earth, it probably doesn't impact global warming any, so its destruction wouldn't help. If I understand it correctly.

That explanation invites arguments, so I figured "different wavelengths" would say it adequately without a bunch of debates, cite requests and 3rd party one-ups.
If you'd like to present an alternate theory and have a critical discussion of what I have presented, I would be more than willing to discuss at length. But if you are just going to dismiss and negatively critique what I have presented based on science which is influenced by industry, the hierarchical academia cabal, and hidebound adherence to known principles, vs. speculative flights of fancy, then what you have to say is simply not worth considering.

If you can find any flaws or inconsistencies with the internal logic and reasoning for my theory, I would be happy to discuss, but please do not drag any of your outside scientific nonsense into this discussion.
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Isn't about time this thread gets moved to A&S so they can have a voice?
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
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We are going in the wrong direction with cuts to use of fossil fuels and must ramp up our use of internal combustion vehicles...

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Interestingly, this may not be far-fetched as far as worrying about humanity's release of CO2 into the atmosphere. Dr. William Happer testified under oath before congress that currently the Earth is CO2-starved. One of the Western world's smartest in the room observed as follows:

Carbon dioxide levels have risen inexorably since the 1700s. Yet despite this, climate sensitive indicators of human and environmental wellbeing that carbon dioxide affects directly, such as crop yields, food production, prevalence of hunger, access to cleaner water and biological productivity, and those that it affects indirectly, such as living standards and life expectancies, have improved virtually everywhere. In most areas they have never been higher, nor do they show any sustained signs of reversing. ~Freeman Dyson
Nothing P&R about it, except perhaps for Dyson's observation that, “environmentalism has replaced socialism as the leading secular religion.”
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
If you'd like to present an alternate theory and have a critical discussion of what I have presented, I would be more than willing to discuss at length. But if you are just going to dismiss and negatively critique what I have presented based on science which is influenced by industry, the hierarchical academia cabal, and hidebound adherence to known principles, vs. speculative flights of fancy, then what you have to say is simply not worth considering.

If you can find any flaws or inconsistencies with the internal logic and reasoning for my theory, I would be happy to discuss, but please do not drag any of your outside scientific nonsense into this discussion.
Today I was playing Kierkegaard and reading this thread backwards. Out of context, this made my head hurt even more than the OP.
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Thoughts: "Oh, look, another thread where tandempower speculates wildly and wrongly, maybe he'll try to redefine some words too." What you described isn't even remotely how the world works.

Now, now...don't just scold him, learn him! (What Would Sheriff Andy Do?)
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Today I was playing Kierkegaard and reading this thread backwards. Out of context, this made my head hurt even more than the OP.

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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
Isn't about time this thread gets moved to A&S so they can have a voice?

They have a voice, it's just being shouted over by newbies obsessed with gun violence.
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