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Old 06-27-17, 07:13 AM
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My Subaru was rotten

2011 Subaru Forester. after getting a new engine every year for 3 years, & being on my 4th engine, including the original, I took a loss & traded it for a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. loved the Forester but the Jeep does a better job carrying 4 bikes (& luggage) w/o sagging down in the back

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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
2011 Subaru Forester. after getting a new engine every year for 3 years, & being on my 4th engine, including the original, I took a loss & traded it for a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. loved the Forester but the Jeep does a better job carrying 4 bikes (& luggage) w/o sagging down in the back
Four?! Would've thought the lemon law should apply after the second. I hope all that was under warranty.

I'm holding my breath with my '14 Outback what with the recall for the oil use. (knock on wood) My brother also got a new engine for excessive oil use...2010 Impreza.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
2011 Subaru Forester. after getting a new engine every year for 3 years, & being on my 4th engine, including the original, I took a loss & traded it for a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. loved the Forester but the Jeep does a better job carrying 4 bikes (& luggage) w/o sagging down in the back
Any idea why your Forester went through engines? The first engine on my wife's "new" postal Subaru went 350K before I failed to torque the crank bolt sufficiently after a timing belt change. The "old" postal Subaru has 200k on the original engine.
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Four?! Would've thought the lemon law should apply after the second. I hope all that was under warranty.I'm holding my breath with my '14 Outback what with the recall for the oil use. (knock on wood) My brother also got a new engine for excessive oil use...2010 Impreza.
yes all under warranty & always got a loaner. they were always great about it & I never paid a dime, until I got rid of it, then I took a huge loss. it was a nuisance. I almost didn't even mind adding oil, but they always insisted on changing the engine. & after every one they said this is guaranteed. meaningless of course because it was no comfort to have to go back repeatedly for the same thing. early on they did offer to work a deal for another car or even help me get out of it, but I liked the car & had set it up with accessories which set me back a bunch of $. don't want to hi-jack this thread, sorry. if you are curious look at the threads in the Subaru Forester forums ...
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Originally Posted by cranky old road View Post
Any idea why your Forester went through engines? The first engine on my wife's "new" postal Subaru went 350K before I failed to torque the crank bolt sufficiently after a timing belt change. The "old" postal Subaru has 200k on the original engine.
what is a "postal Subaru:? year? model?

wasn't just mine. the dealerships do about 2 per week, every week, every year. they don't talk about it & if you ask they will down play it with comments like: "we occasionally do that" or flat out lie: "nope never heard of that". we had a huge class action lawsuit. what did we win? compensation for the extra oil we paid for if we had receipts. big whoop
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I had 2 Subarus that were both lame at best. 83 GL and 98 Impreza. I got a lot of mechanic experience out of the former and still have a 36mm socket to show for it all. The latter was just disappointing. Low power, low mileage, low response, and that was with the stickshift.
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The '11 Forester was the first year for the FB25 engine, which had and has high oil consumption. Subaru doesn't want to admit that this first year engine is a POS and has been sued (and lost) over the consumption issues.

Their "solution" is a short block, and that's typically after they do consumption test. Much has been written on the Forester website about some dealers overfilling the engine (obvious if you look at the dipstick immediately after an oil change), so as to cheat the test and not have to absorb the labor of the short block swap out.

My '11 used a quart every 2,000 - 2,500, which and according to Subaru, wasn't high consumption. BS.

I took Subaru's full KBB trade value (frequent customer) offer last December and went to a 2017 Outback, but only after research that left me satisfied that they had solved the consumption issue. I've had 2 other Subie's, an '01 Forester and an '03 OB that had head gaskets fail, but the vehicles had north of 150,000 miles on each.
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The GF has a 2012 Forester that she bought used 1 1/2 years ago. I've been keeping an eye on the oil and it does use some but I wonder how much of the use is due to using synthetic oil. I had boxer engines in my motorcycles and neither one of them used much oil.
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I don't get Subaru's. I had an 80's one and it was terrible. My wife insisted we test drive one when we were looking for a new SUV a couple of years ago. I just seemed awful compared to a Honda or Kia. Happy Subaru owners are part of some kind of cult.
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I wonder
Subaru forums ...
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I tried joining there and the software wouldn't work - but they did start to spam me after that.
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2017 Outback
those are nice. you get a hitch for the bike rack?
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I tried joining there and the software wouldn't work - but they did start to spam me after that.

huh? you try this one?

2011+ FB25 oil consumption usage data and updates (split thread) - Subaru Forester Owners Forum
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
wonder how much of the use is due to using synthetic oil
probably, but my Jeep uses the same oil (0-20 full synthetic). while it loses some between oil changes it's not a high loss like the Subbie
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Yeah, I've seen these threads and looked at them after she got the notice in the mail from Subaru. I had some other questions I wanted to ask there and that's where the trouble with joining and then the spam for being a valued member stated.
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Yeah, I've seen these threads and looked at them after she got the notice in the mail from Subaru. I had some other questions I wanted to ask there and that's where the trouble with joining and then the spam for being a valued member stated.
try again or PM me. I lived with the thing for 3 years & was on the forum a lot, surprise :-)
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
those are nice. you get a hitch for the bike rack?
Ah !, no, a sad, sad story. Short version is I've used roof racks for decades.

Long is I had vintage Thule square bars but opted to replace the fork mounted bike trays so got 2 Thule Circuit trays, nice enough @ $276 from REI. I then built/modified 4 aluminum square stock 2"x2" pieces to install the square bars on the (removed) factory tie-down points. Looked great, the bike trays worked great, BUT my Thule Ascent roof box was too far back to allow the rear hatch to open. Sigh.

Then plunked down another $370 for Yakima Landing Pad (15's), Skyline towers and 50" Core bars (aero). The Yak system has a superior mounting system, as compared to the Thule. The Circuit trays work fine with the Yak bars.

It might have been cheaper to do a hitch at that point and a nice hitch rack. Except I use the roof box for camping trips so need a roof bar system.

THIS
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
The GF has a 2012 Forester that she bought used 1 1/2 years ago. I've been keeping an eye on the oil and it does use some but I wonder how much of the use is due to using synthetic oil. I had boxer engines in my motorcycles and neither one of them used much oil.
I think the Subaru FB25 issue was a combination of using 0/20 oil, used to reduce friction and improve EPA mileage, combined with poor design of the piston rings that allowed too much thin oil to slip past, thus unusual consumption (I'm not a mechanic). They "supposedly" fixed it by mid 2012 in the Forester, maybe a bit later on Outbacks, but eventually the numbers of vehicles with the problem declined (it was never that large to begin with). By 2014 or so, the Foresters and OB's were not showing these issues, nor are any of the FB25's having head gasket problems that early Subaru's were plagued with, AFAIK.

The 0/20 oil is REQUIRED under warranty, as BTW.

My '17 shows no oil usage in 3,000 miles, typically (7700 current).
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sad, sad story, Short version & Long is THIS STUFF AIN'T CHEAP
true that. funny how bike rack solutions evolve over time for some of us, while others get one & they're done. so jealous
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This was cheap
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Looks like s**t too. I'd be embarrassed to be driving a new $30,000 car with that on the roof.

In all seriousnous, you can't leave that up there in the rain for very long.

This turned out to be a nice modification, strong as anything. Just too bad the roof box wouldn't fit.
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Looks like s**t too. I'd be embarrassed to be driving a new $30,000 car with that on the roof.

In all seriousnous, you can't leave that up there in the rain for very long.
Lol, I'd be embarassed to have wasted $30,000 on a new car (correction: I am embarassed that I once paid $30,000 for a new car). Not being embarassed is expensive, I can't afford it.

And in all seriousness, I live in SoCal and that thing will never see 1 drop of rain. And if I wanted to I could prime and paint it with outdoor paint. Or throw it away and invest $5 to make another.
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I think the Subaru FB25 issue was a combination of using 0/20 oil, used to reduce friction and improve EPA mileage, combined with poor design of the piston rings that allowed too much thin oil to slip past, thus unusual consumption (I'm not a mechanic). They "supposedly" fixed it by mid 2012 in the Forester, maybe a bit later on Outbacks, but eventually the numbers of vehicles with the problem declined (it was never that large to begin with). By 2014 or so, the Foresters and OB's were not showing these issues, nor are any of the FB25's having head gasket problems that early Subaru's were plagued with, AFAIK.

The 0/20 oil is REQUIRED under warranty, as BTW.

My '17 shows no oil usage in 3,000 miles, typically (7700 current).
I reused the crush washer for the first oil change and it leaked enough to eliminate the ability to determine oil use. Her daughter had a 98 Forester then and the driveway looked pretty bad from all the oil that was leaking out of both cars. It's on the second oil change and this time I used a new crush washer - with no leakage from the drain plug. Thanks for the headsup on the warranty info.

The 98 eventually started leaking at the main seal and AFAIK it was the original engine. The compression seemed to be good on it too, I think they lucked out with that engine. I was pretty surprised to find that the gearheads were recommending a smaller engine as a replacement for these, that doesn't happen very often.
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Lol, I'd be embarassed to have wasted $30,000 on a new car (correction: I am embarassed that I once paid $30,000 for a new car). Not being embarassed is expensive, I can't afford it.

And in all seriousness, I live in SoCal and that thing will never see 1 drop of rain. And if I wanted to I could prime and paint it with outdoor paint. Or throw it away and invest $5 to make another.
Yeah, well my wife knows how cheap I am and was stunned when I told her I was buying this car. I commute over an hour each way and at my age, got tired of buying and sitting in basic models. This wasn't top model either, the Outback Touring runs up to $36,000.

And I really, really did try to make all the old Thule stuff work, the roof box stumped me. Didn't want to be trying mod's to the box and have it come flying off at 75mph.
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what is a "postal Subaru:? year? model?

wasn't just mine. the dealerships do about 2 per week, every week, every year. they don't talk about it & if you ask they will down play it with comments like: "we occasionally do that" or flat out lie: "nope never heard of that". we had a huge class action lawsuit. what did we win? compensation for the extra oil we paid for if we had receipts. big whoop
I'm betting that they had a right hand drive adapter installed to deliver the mail from the passenger side as the mailboxes are on the edge of the right side of the road. If we weren't Yankees ...well then you'd need the opposite doohickie.


If all the mailboxes were in the middle of the road, tractors would take them out.


We're talking rural delivery.


The USPS trucks are designed so that the carrier can reach out and put the mail in the boxes directly because they are taller than a car, but rural delivery is often contracted to private citizens with their own vehicles.
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