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Old 12-30-17, 05:26 AM
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Apple ploy to buy a new phone.

Does anyone really think Apple slowed down older phones so as to conserve battery life? The more likely story is that they slowed the phones down with the anticipation of shelling out big bucks for a new phone.
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Originally Posted by coffeesnob View Post
Does anyone really think Apple slowed down older phones so as to conserve battery life? The more likely story is that they slowed the phones down with the anticipation of shelling out big bucks for a new phone.
Or sell lots of new batteries at 29 bucks.
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Originally Posted by coffeesnob View Post
Does anyone really think Apple slowed down older phones so as to conserve battery life? The more likely story is that they slowed the phones down with the anticipation of shelling out big bucks for a new phone.
These two options are not mutually exclusive. In fact they work in tandem very nicely.

Virtually everyone, Apple fans or not, knows and admits that iPhones "slow down" as they age. Most blame it on the latest version of iOS "screwing up" their device....when it could well be the OS upgrade telling the phone to downclock to milk more battery life. So they aren't "wrong", but they aren't "right either"--maybe.
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Android hasn't admitted it, but I suspect they do the same thing. Generally speaking about two years, or contract time up, you will note your phone getting "buggy". It's a racket.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
Android hasn't admitted it, but I suspect they do the same thing. Generally speaking about two years, or contract time up, you will note your phone getting "buggy". It's a racket.
Usually a factory reset fixes an Android though. Same thing with how Windows likes to be fresh and not stale
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Usually a factory reset fixes an Android though. Same thing with how Windows likes to be fresh and not stale
I make a habit of NOT installing every app on the market, and doing a reset on a regular schedule. What I find generally happens is that a 'certain level' of new OS will come out and make the phone this side of worthless. I had a really good luck with my S4 by jailbreaking it, loading an older version of 'droid and blocking it from updating. What actually got me on that phone was when all the apps that you need for it to be "smart" (browser, etc.) quit working from age. I have had this happen with "older" tablets as well, and why I actually refuse to buy those.

I have given serious thought to going back to a flip style phone but actually use my maps program more often than would be handy doing so. GPS units are too expensive for the rate at which they go obsolete or need to buy new maps as well.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
I make a habit of NOT installing every app on the market, and doing a reset on a regular schedule. What I find generally happens is that a 'certain level' of new OS will come out and make the phone this side of worthless. I had a really good luck with my S4 by jailbreaking it, loading an older version of 'droid and blocking it from updating. What actually got me on that phone was when all the apps that you need for it to be "smart" (browser, etc.) quit working from age. I have had this happen with "older" tablets as well, and why I actually refuse to buy those.

I have given serious thought to going back to a flip style phone but actually use my maps program more often than would be handy doing so. GPS units are too expensive for the rate at which they go obsolete or need to buy new maps as well.
My Garmin Nuvi 1300LM (LM = lifetime maps) is ~6yo. I bought the version that included lifetime map updates but NOT traffic updates. It was ~$100 at Chinamart. Still going strong. And no dependence on having data available. If (or should I say when) Big Telecomm implements some bs nickel & dime nonsense that follows thru on f'ing up net neutrality, then I may also bid adieu to the whole smartphone thing too.

Apple can do whatever shennanigans they want. They automatically disqualified their phones from my consideration when they ixnayed the headphone jack. Dumbasses. FTR, I'm typing this on an imac...which I love.
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A new operating system which takes advantage of better processing power currently out there may indeed require more battery power...this is evidenced by the better batteries also supplied with newer phones.

Now they are damned if they do and damned if they don't do something about it. They either need to hold back some of the newer OS features for older phones, allow the more processor hungry OS to eat the battery or just don't make the new OS available of the older phone. All of these options cause much consternation and outcry from the users of the older phones. There is simply no way to keep them happy.

Get over it, things change, technology improves and old stuff becomes obsolete.

I really don't buy into any conspiracy theory that Apple or anyone else is making your phone slow just to get you to buy a new one. They have no guarantee that you will return to them for the new item...in fact by creating the perception that the phone is faulty, they'd be pushing you away.

Is your old phone really slower or is your perception skewed because you are looking over your friend's shoulder who has a faster phone than you?

I say, just suck it up and get rid of your old phone and get a new one. These things are amazing pieces of technology and have a relatively low cost for what they can do. You don't have to have the absolute latest one, you can stay comfortably one or two rev's behind to save a few bucks and still enjoy most of the newer features.
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Originally Posted by Moose View Post
A new operating system which takes advantage of better processing power currently out there may indeed require more battery power...this is evidenced by the better batteries also supplied with newer phones.

Now they are damned if they do and damned if they don't do something about it. They either need to hold back some of the newer OS features for older phones, allow the more processor hungry OS to eat the battery or just don't make the new OS available of the older phone. All of these options cause much consternation and outcry from the users of the older phones. There is simply no way to keep them happy.

Get over it, things change, technology improves and old stuff becomes obsolete.

I really don't buy into any conspiracy theory that Apple or anyone else is making your phone slow just to get you to buy a new one. They have no guarantee that you will return to them for the new item...in fact by creating the perception that the phone is faulty, they'd be pushing you away.

Is your old phone really slower or is your perception skewed because you are looking over your friend's shoulder who has a faster phone than you?

I say, just suck it up and get rid of your old phone and get a new one. These things are amazing pieces of technology and have a relatively low cost for what they can do. You don't have to have the absolute latest one, you can stay comfortably one or two rev's behind to save a few bucks and still enjoy most of the newer features.
Or...how about a user upgradeable battery? I know, revolutionary idea.
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Old 12-30-17, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Or...how about a user upgradeable battery? I know, revolutionary idea.
Still...the rest of the phone's innards would become the weak link. The processor would eventually not be capable of doing the same job that the new OS is designed to take advantage of with newer processing power.

Seems like some folks are looking for one device that is the thinnest, lightest, fastest, most durable, with the best screen resolution and that rarely needs to be charged...and they want it to last forever and simply absorb all the new technology that comes along without a hitch. If anyone figures out how to provide this, they will have no problem putting Apple, Samsung and Motorola out of business.
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Originally Posted by Moose View Post
Still...the rest of the phone's innards would still become the weak link. The processor would eventually not be capable of doing the same job that the new OS is designed to take advantage of with newer processing power.

Seems like some folks are looking for one device that is the thinnest, lightest, fastest, most durable, with the best screen resolution and that rarely needs to be charged...and they want it to last forever and simply absorb all the new technology that comes along without a hitch. If anyone figures out how to provide this, they will have no problem putting Apple, Samsung and Motorola out of business.
Eventually, yes.

But for a while, Android in particular, has been getting less computationally demanding and not more. Part of the general effort of Project Butter and so on to make Android run as well on iOS does (while iOS needs half the system resources to do the same job).

I remember loading Android ICS and KK on my OG HTC EVO 4G...the damned phone ran like a race car compared to Gingerbread.
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Or sell lots of new batteries at 29 bucks.
I see what you mean but if they could get 79 bucks a battery then they sure as heck wouldn't reduce them to 29 bucks. Anybody with any sense can see what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by Moose View Post
Still...the rest of the phone's innards would become the weak link. The processor would eventually not be capable of doing the same job that the new OS is designed to take advantage of with newer processing power.

Seems like some folks are looking for one device that is the thinnest, lightest, fastest, most durable, with the best screen resolution and that rarely needs to be charged...and they want it to last forever and simply absorb all the new technology that comes along without a hitch. If anyone figures out how to provide this, they will have no problem putting Apple, Samsung and Motorola out of business.
No, some folks just don't like getting duped by Apple
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Whole computer biz is forcing fast replacement,

my father bought a dial phone in the early 50s and used it for the rest of his life.
he passed on at age 80. in 2000.
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I'm posting this from a BlackBerry Z10 phone, which uses the brilliant BB10 operating system.

Due the age and relative unpopularity of these devices, I don't have to worry about viruses, trojans, pop-ups, etc. Nobody is going to waste time writing malicious code for this device.

Regardless of this, there is no way I'm going to undertake any kind of financial transactions or any highly confidential tasks on a phone. Seriously?

On a daily basis I pass through dozens of free Wi-Fi hotspots, many of which make my phone security squeal warnings.

Anyway, new batteries for my device cost less than $5. It takes a minute to swap them out myself, with no tools.
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I'm a geek so I check my tablets speed monthly with apps like geekbench
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Whole computer biz is forcing fast replacement,

my father bought a dial phone in the early 50s and used it for the rest of his life.
he passed on at age 80. in 2000.


Dial phones were OK, but even my mom,in her 90's, loves her state of the art smart phone, especially in her being able to text other people.


She even has Facebook, Snap Chat, Instagram, etc......to keep abreast of what us kids, the grandkids, and great grand kids are doing.

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Apple could have avoided the whole issue by simply making the following an option under System Settings:
a) Optimize for performance.
b) Optimize for battery life.
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Originally Posted by coffeesnob View Post
I see what you mean but if they could get 79 bucks a battery then they sure as heck wouldn't reduce them to 29 bucks. Anybody with any sense can see what they are doing.
Just as Microsoft constantly updates software, which then requires more and more powerful processors... yeah, tech is a racket...

Remember when phones were tied to wires and houses, and people used pencils to design, and write letters... and FAQ was just a poorly spelled word.

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Originally Posted by coffeesnob View Post
No, some folks just don't like getting duped by Apple
Then they shouldn't buy Apple products which are generally copies of something else and highly overpriced.

But folks worship the fruit... hence they stand in long lines for the next shiny thing.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
Apple could have avoided the whole issue by simply making the following an option under System Settings:
a) Optimize for performance.
b) Optimize for battery life.
.. you wont get hired there to make that happen.






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Just as Microsoft constantly updates software, which then requires more and more powerful processors... yeah, tech is a racket...

Remember when phones were tied to wires and houses, and people used pencils to design, and write letters... and FAQ was just a poorly spelled word.

Funny, my Win10 desktop is running a Sandybridge proc that at this point is 7 years old (in consumer space, and older in development). Only reason I have a newer GPU is to drive a better monitor. Microsoft does nothing to drive the increase in computer requirements-that is entirely client side.
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Funny, my Win10 desktop is running a Sandybridge proc that at this point is 7 years old (in consumer space, and older in development). Only reason I have a newer GPU is to drive a better monitor. Microsoft does nothing to drive the increase in computer requirements-that is entirely client side.
Right, try running Win 10 on a Pentium.
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Right, try running Win 10 on a Pentium.
Who wants to even own a Pentium?

The same folks still driving Rabbits, Yugos, and Gremlins?
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Who wants to even own a Pentium?

The same folks still driving Rabbits, Yugos, and Gremlins?
Oh, and they all still burn the same gas that was around when they first came out...
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