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Old 03-10-18, 01:14 PM
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Dyson: The Bose of vacuum cleaners

We (mostly my wife) keep getting sucked in by all of the hype. I think we are on #5 or #6 now. Almost all of our floors are wood, and we just have area rugs. Admittedly we also have two golden retrievers. But WTF? These things suck so much they don't suck. They clog irreversibly. They defy maintenance. But if you believe the hype, you would think this is the vacuum cleaner equivalent to a Shimano Dura Ace Di2 groupset. The only other company that I know that has managed to pull off selling utter junk like this is Bose audio.

Don't believe the hype.
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I'm convinced the job of most vacuum cleaners is not to pick up debris...but rather to make as much noise as possible and placebo-effect you into think anything was getting cleaned.

Srsly I've used CE certified -30dB ballistic hearing protection...and still have ringing ears after some vacuums.

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My wife was the same way. We even had a Kirby. It worked alright, but weighted as much as a tank. We bought a basic Oreck XL 9 years ago, and it's the best vacuum we've ever had. No frills, just a straight up vacuum. I've had to replace the cord once, and that's it.
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That Dyson guy is way too interested in things that suck and blow.

My wife bought a Dyson...one of the worst vacuums we ever had. Mostly blew the dirt all over but didn't pick it up. Finally broke. I was so happy.
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I'm an Oreck man (and have the tattoos to prove it). I have a Dyson rechargeable handheld vacuum - it's got good power but the battery only lasts about 15 minutes, and it feels cheap and plasticy.
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We (mostly my wife) keep getting sucked in by all of the hype. I think we are on #5 or #6 now. Almost all of our floors are wood, and we just have area rugs. Admittedly we also have two golden retrievers. But WTF? These things suck so much they don't suck. They clog irreversibly. They defy maintenance. But if you believe the hype, you would think this is the vacuum cleaner equivalent to a Shimano Dura Ace Di2 groupset. The only other company that I know that has managed to pull off selling utter junk like this is Bose audio.

Don't believe the hype.
I don't know about Bose audio stuff, but they make awesome truck seats. And yes, it's the same company.
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We (mostly my wife) keep getting sucked in by all of the hype. I think we are on #5 or #6 now. Almost all of our floors are wood, and we just have area rugs. Admittedly we also have two golden retrievers. But WTF? These things suck so much they don't suck. They clog irreversibly. They defy maintenance. But if you believe the hype, you would think this is the vacuum cleaner equivalent to a Shimano Dura Ace Di2 groupset. The only other company that I know that has managed to pull off selling utter junk like this is Bose audio.

Don't believe the hype.
I would include the original Maytag Neptune washing machines. What a piece of crap they were.
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Dyson, one of the most over-engineered products you'll ever see. I've got a 'Red Devil' vacuum that I use occasionally to clean my hardwood floors (I mostly just use a broom, mop it a few times a year), and its been working for at least a decade with no problems. I also have a hand-held version that I use for the car that's j
been chugging along just about as long with no problems.

Speakers? Its tough to tell how they'll sound without actually hearing them before you buy them. Bose used to make some good stuff, not sure of their quality these days as there are no 'hi-fi' stores around anymore where you can compare one against the other. If you want to talk overpriced audio trash, look no further than Beats headphones.
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I can't stand bagless vacuums. Tried 'em. They're filthy. All they do is substitute a feel-good cosmetic green facade by avoiding bags, while transferring a filthy job to the users. It completely defeats the purpose of a high efficiency vacuum when cleaning the dust catcher creates more airborne dust.

We have a Shark bagless vac. All I use it for is as a hand vac for the computers and electronics, furniture, etc. Cleaning it is revolting -- I have to wear a dust mask even outdoors to clean the filter and dust cup. And the Shark gets so hot the plastic warps and doesn't seal effectively. I have to keep farm-rigging the thing to get any suction.

Most folks I know with Dysons and similar vacuums end up saying the same thing. Mostly hype.

Orecks are the best value I've found in a vacuum. My grandparents were gadget lovers and tried every vacuum available -- I found 'em all discarded in their storage shed after they died (the grandparents -- the vacuums were still mostly functional). Kirby, Electrolux, Singer, more brands and types than I can remember. The Electrolux canister vac with long hoses, etc., was pretty useful too for cleaning furniture, drapes, etc., although awkward for floor cleaning. But the only vacuums they kept using were Oreck.

So that's what I got. Only problem with Oreck is the beater brush will tear up cheap carpet, which our apartment uses. It's a bare bones machine with little to go wrong. It doesn't roll easily so it demands some manhandling, but it's relatively lightweight so it's not a big deal.

Unfortunately the Oreck Buster B hand vacs weren't quite as good. They started out pretty well but lost power after awhile and weren't very effective.

BTW, some Bose speakers were okay if you're a non-critical listener to mostly rock and pop music. I liked my original 301 speakers. I compared them with Advent and similar sized critically acclaimed speakers, but preferred the 301. The design isn't critical about placement, which helped when I was renting apartments or living in military base family housing. The direct/reflecting design sounded okay throughout most rooms.

But the Bose radios and electronics did seem a bit gimmicky, riding on the reputation built on their original three types of speakers, the 901, 601 and 301.

But those speakers probably wouldn't satisfy critical listeners to more contemporary music or movies recorded and edited digitally, which have far more dynamic range, crisp highs and clear bottom end than older recordings. But I usually wear earphones or buds when listening to movies now so I can hear everything more clearly. Really important with top notch audio production featuring expert Foley work as well for enhancing the ambiance.
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We used to have a Dyson Animal. I thought it performed pretty well. I like the bagless feature. It saves money too. The only trouble we had with ours in about 10 years was the hose. Dyson wanted quite a bit for it so I got them on ebay.
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Wife came home with a shark. Third one of those. Previous one had symptoms identical to what you describe.

Bose vs. Consumer Reports

I'll look for an Oreck

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Miele. There is no substitute. I have the C3 Complete Cat and Dog with the additional floor sweeper and turbo brush attachments.
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We get about 6-7 years per $99 Hoover. Around that point the seals are starting to crack and fail, the brush bar is knackered to hell from having hair cut off of it a zillion times, and the cord is a downright hazard from being run over several times a week. I have absolutely no issue with bagless vacs-- I have a compressor to blow out the filters and dust canister, so the performance never really drops, the poor thing just dies due to use and abuse.

My in-laws are on their... third Dyson? It's absurd. Bose is similar-- they survive on a public perception of cachet, which is based on I don't even know what-- it has to predate me. AFAIC, Bose, Dyson, Beats-- they all do they same thing: make acceptable quality products that are sold at gross markups, simply because they can. I'm sure lots of Bose and Dyson buyers are happy with their products, and don't really care that there are a dozen better options out there for less money.
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We get about 6-7 years per $99 Hoover. Around that point the seals are starting to crack and fail, the brush bar is knackered to hell from having hair cut off of it a zillion times, and the cord is a downright hazard from being run over several times a week. I have absolutely no issue with bagless vacs-- I have a compressor to blow out the filters and dust canister, so the performance never really drops, the poor thing just dies due to use and abuse.

My in-laws are on their... third Dyson? It's absurd. Bose is similar-- they survive on a public perception of cachet, which is based on I don't even know what-- it has to predate me. AFAIC, Bose, Dyson, Beats-- they all do they same thing: make acceptable quality products that are sold at gross markups, simply because they can. I'm sure lots of Bose and Dyson buyers are happy with their products, and don't really care that there are a dozen better options out there for less money.
It’s called “Branding,” and indeed it is often about making the name more important than the actual product... I dare say our current President is a prime example.

Decades ago there was a company that touted “The quality goes in before the name goes on...”. Seems that notion has taken a leave of absence these days and a lot of companies are selling sizzle, and little more.
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Wife came home with a shark. Third one of those. Previous one had symptoms identical to what you describe.

Bose vs. Consumer Reports

I'll look for an Oreck
Try the Oreck at a local shop if you can. They're surprisingly basic for such a highly touted vacuum. But they just work and seem to keep working forever. When one of my nieces married about 14 years ago I gave them my spare Oreck from my grandparents' home. It was already at least 10 years old and used almost daily. No servicing other than to replace the beater brush belt every few years.

That Bose lawsuit is hilarious. The article accurately described the Bose sound. Which is what I liked about it. For rock and pop music, it emulated the "live" sound of a stadium concert or large hall, with the faint reverb and echo contributing to the overall sound. I've always enjoyed that sound, like hearing a street festival miles away as it carries in the wind.

But definitely not for audiophile purists. Which I am not. Heck, I listen to the local classical music station most days through an old Magnavox monaural AM/FM/shortwave radio. I don't even own a stereo anymore. Sold my stereo, turntables and vinyl 15 years ago when I moved from a large rural house to a small city apartment.
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Miele. There is no substitute. I have the C3 Complete Cat and Dog with the additional floor sweeper and turbo brush attachments.
Looks like a fancypants version of the Electrolux my grandparents had from the 1960s. Really good vacuum, second only to the Oreck, but more versatile. Kinda wish I'd kept it too. The long hose and extension tube attachments, remote activated floor tool with beater brush. All pretty versatile.
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Regarding the Bose cachet, it's really a 1970s thing. They never evolved beyond that.

But back in the 1970s Bose speakers were the bee's knees. There weren't many good affordable speaker systems. Then, as now, the custom made stuff was beyond the reach of most folks.

The main competition was Advent, which sounded clinical and unexciting to most casual listeners, but purists would drone on and one about the accuracy. There were Marantz Pioneer, Harmon Kardn, JBL, Klipsch, a few others.

If you went into a stereo store that had an audition room, the salesman would ask what kind of music you listened to. If you said rock, pop, etc., they'd queue up Steely Dan and extol the virtues of the production values.

I didn't care for Steely Dan. It wasn't rock. It wasn't jazz. It was some sorta tarted up lounge lizard stuff with a whiny vocalist singing about angst in that arch, detached way that only an upper middle class Yankee can afford to do.

So I'd hand the salesman my own records of Hendrix, the Stones, Doors, The Cars, Sex Pistols, etc. He'd grimace at my substandard taste and put on the records, acting as if he didn't want to touch them -- not to avoid contaminating my vinyl, but to avoid being contaminated by it.

The Bose sounded fine. I bought that.

But it was a very '70s thing. When you saw the 601 and 901 speakers in someone's home, or the 901's suspended from the ceiling at a restaurant, etc., it was pretty impressive. It all went very nicely with red velour, corduroy, double knit leisure suits and hip huggers.
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Hey, don't trash the 70s entirely! I have a Marantz 2275 receiver -- love that thing, good as new. 75w of power per channel, and those soft blue lights...ooohh.

Have always disliked the sound of Bose speakers, owned Advents.

Dyson is a very entertaining guy, love his story about trying to sell cyclonic action to Hoover, et al. But, I think his products are more engineering art than progress.

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Except Kirbys don't mark their territory. And it doesn't cost $100 every time you wanna do anything to it.

Yes I have one. Yes it's a tank. Yes it's durable and made in the US. It also doesn't handle stairs well.
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Miele. There is no substitute. I have the C3 Complete Cat and Dog with the additional floor sweeper and turbo brush attachments.

I have the Miele Cat and Dog vacuum and it is awesome.
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If you went into a stereo store that had an audition room, the salesman would ask what kind of music you listened to. If you said rock, pop, etc., they'd queue up Steely Dan and extol the virtues of the production values.

I didn't care for Steely Dan. It wasn't rock. It wasn't jazz. It was some sorta tarted up lounge lizard stuff with a whiny vocalist singing about angst in that arch, detached way that only an upper middle class Yankee can afford to do.
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SD had a reputation for producing meticulous sounding music, whether you liked the music or not. Also had a rep. for being 2 very obnoxious musicians and a PITA to work with.

I had to listen to a lot of SD when the CD’s were used repeatedly by audio engineers to EQ a system for a particular venue. The A1’s liked the sound as they got a sense of what a lot of different instruments sounded like on that system.

It probably a good thing they didn’t like touring as there would have been legions of fired engineers.
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I still love SD. Bite me.
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I have a Hoover Windtunnel or whatever, 12 amps and a pain to clean it up, complete disassembly of the tower down to the last screw.

But it was much better than a Bissell. If I could just replace the impeller on my old Eureka I'd say forget about it, I have enough F&G style bags to last until I die.
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Steely Dan was the Hall and Oates of vacuums.
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