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Old 03-12-18, 04:25 PM
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Computer speakers

Uggh.

I have been using a Klipsch Promedia 2.1 for years. It's one of the better choices under $200, and hard to beat for video games.

The bass box died a year ago, and now the right channel is gone.

So, I need to replace it.

Been looking at reviews, and the message I am hearing is spend a lot of money. I'm retired, and already in a slow and expensive computer upgrade. More uggh.

So I need to do something. I could get another Promedia 2.1

But I am considering alternatives. Like the Audioengine 2+. A lot of small speakers have too much bass to try and fool you into thinking they have real bass. Which they can't, thanks to the laws of physics... I really don't like that.

But it's a possibility.

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If I don't use my Sony XDR phones I got new for a few bucks at a thrift store it's a pair of Pioneer rears from a 5.1 setup and I really should get the Polks or Marantzes in there.

A real amp/receiver and good speakers will do you good. And you can integrate it with the stereo and TV audio.
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It's a small room, there is no place to put anything but a speaker roughly the size of the Promedia. I can go a little bigger, not much.

I'd thought about getting some old stereo stuff off Craigslist, but space is an issue.
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Its been a long time since I shopped for computer speakers. I'd peruse some reviews and try to select something in your budget. One that looks interesting is Logitech Z333 (or Z337) 2.1 system:

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z333...979FZ849BZFTMP

Or if you have a little more to spend the Klipsch 2.1 system:

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMe.../dp/B000062VUO

I mean at under $200, you aren't going to get autophile quality with thundering bass down to 30Hz. But for a computer, these 2.1 kits should be good enough and that's what I have used in the past (Cambridge Soundworks and Harmon Kardon, if I recall). Here's a review of a few of them.

https://gear.lifehacker.com/these-ar...ers-1785958417
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For the money, I would go with the Logitech "5.1" system. I bought one refurb'ed, less than $70 IIRC. The sound is more than adequate for a set of computer speakers and have stood up well to abuse.

and a link:https://www.walmart.com/ip/Logitech-...&wl13=&veh=sem
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OP, if you're more of an audio geek and not afraid to build your own speakers from a kit, then the "Overnight Sensations" two way kit from Parts Express is a popular speaker set.

https://www.parts-express.com/overni...-pair--300-706

Only thing missing is an amp. You could get a cheap T-amp from the same place to drive them:

https://www.parts-express.com/toppin...5-wpc--310-313

This one has a built-in USB DAC so that looks cool. You might want to research whether 15wpc is ok for the speakers or not. Others have bought the Dayton Audio amp:

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...ifier--300-330

But that doesn't have any line in (preamp) or USB DAC to use with the PC. Only other drawback with this is that can go up to and even over $200 depending on what you select for the amp/preamp combo. The speaker kit and Topping TP30 combo above is $214. But I think it would challenge any cheap 2.1 system if you have the time to put it together.

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I'd thought about getting some old stereo stuff off Craigslist, but space is an issue.
I don't like those 'loudness war' speakers either. I used to have an old 2x40 Watt Denon amplifier under the screen and two bookshelf speakers. Those light amplifiers from the 80's and 90's tend to be quite low, but later on there were those mini towers, only slightly wider than a CD. Also Cyrus and Quad have made great narrow and compact amps, but they are too good to be cheap and more than you need, but maybe that size has been copied by lesser gods.
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As a Musician I find non computer speakers ,, small studio monitors on speaker stands , sit just off the edge of the old desk where my computer is..

self powered, internal amps, runs off headphone 1/8" jack, rugged, not that big.. [not married so no home aesthetics critic..]
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The biggest issue I have noticed with small self powered amp systems is a low hum or buzz that seems to come from the cheap power supply... which is not well filtered.

May not be very evident until you plug in headphones...
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The biggest issue I have noticed with small self powered amp systems is a low hum or buzz that seems to come from the cheap power supply... which is not well filtered.

May not be very evident until you plug in headphones...
I used to use a USB power isolator like this one:

https://www.circuitsathome.com/measu...solator-board/

before my DAC. I used to have Laptop -> USB Isolator -> ODAC -> DIY amp -> modded Polk 5B monitors. Was a decent cheap setup. Replacing the tweeters on the Polks made the most difference, if I recall. Also made my own speaker cables from braided cat5 wires. Was a cool project...

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Mine only buzz when there is no signal going thru them, but if the computer is in sleep mode , plugging in the speakers
cues it to turn on, again , and the humming stops..



I also have a long cable 1/8" stereo to 2 RCA plug adapters , run it into a channel of the Mixer that is also running my TV sound and the whole stereo system,
through various channels..





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This is what I am thinking:

Polk Tsi 100
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...B5PUVNNI&psc=1

Orb T V3
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

and a cheap sub to be gotten later, prob the $100 Monoprice. This will wind up costing twice what a new Promedia 2.1 costs, and I haven't told the Boss yet. The Promedia is good bang for the buck. But I am hoping to get something I can enjoy without reservation, at least not significant ones.

The reviews suggest that the speakers sound like speakers, not 'good for being computer speakers'.

The amp is cheap and has a sub out. It gets good reviews on Amazon. I'd rather go for the NAD 3020, but then the wife would remove my head from my shoulders.

It's also revived my audiophile neurosis. I've been drooling over all sorts of things. I got all excited over Tektron speakers. Not that I have a couple grand to replace my 20 year old stereo speakers.
Impact-Monitor - TektonDesign LLC

Skip the first few minutes, start where he starts talking about the speakers. Which is about 5 minutes in.



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Originally Posted by Stadjer View Post

I don't like those 'loudness war' speakers either. I used to have an old 2x40 Watt Denon amplifier under the screen and two bookshelf speakers. Those light amplifiers from the 80's and 90's tend to be quite low, but later on there were those mini towers, only slightly wider than a CD. Also Cyrus and Quad have made great narrow and compact amps, but they are too good to be cheap and more than you need, but maybe that size has been copied by lesser gods.
Audiophile religion, love it.

But I belong to a different sect.

My 'holy grail' preamp is the Blowtorch. Which at 100 watts, is more powerful than a lot of amps.

Anyway, any sound system is a laundry list of compromises. I love dynamic range, but I don't care much for most Klipsch speakers, and you never see Tannoy on the East Coast.

My regular speakers do double duty, both music and home theater (my HT is 2 channel, I tried surround sound, the room is too small to do it right)

The 'buzz' is that the NAD 3020 is a killer small amp (for the money).

The computer room is small, and while the table where I have the computer is large, there isn't room from anything larger than a mini-monitor.

I'm not looking for ultra high fidelity here. Just something that can rock and do video games.
This is what I've been listening to while typing:

Here speaker buyers fall into a few distinct camps. There is the crowd that likes "World Music" and toodly stuff. They like speakers with low dynamic range, lots of detail. If you talk like a Brit that's into rhythm, they look like you want to cook them for dinner.

I had a Brit turntable for years that ran slightly fast. Brits do that a lot. I loved it, it had PRAT. Then I replaced it with a equally Brit Gyrodec. It was accurate, and I fell into a coma.

Then we have the rock crowd. Big, loud, what you were talking about.

Then there are the classical guys, they want neutral, cool, jumping around like lunatics to the Stones would never cross their minds. Nothing against classical, but classical done right is hard to find. But my problem with it is how many times do I want to listen to B's 9th?? Then there is the problem that a really good classical system is quite expensive. I had speakers a long time that were superb on classical, with a good 300 watt amp. Most I could afford was 200.

My speakers are over 20 years old, and there has been amazing progress in speaker development since then.

Anyway, I've gone a little cool on the Polks. No idea as to what would float my boat. I want a small speaker. But most small stereo speakers have exaggerated bass to compensate for their size. I literally hate that. They often fall into the audiophile trap of compressing dynamic range to bring out the details.

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Having said all that... I have changed my mind. The cheapest thing I actually want is the Audioengine A5, and that needs a sub.

The wife pointed out all the other things I want to spend money on. It took about 3 seconds to lose that discussion.

What's a good anti-nausea drug? I'll prob get another 2.1 once I am feeling comfortably numb.
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Welcome back to reality. (Be grateful. I have no s.o. to keep my impulses in check)

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I like reading this thread even though I am not likely to ever have good speakers (headphones at the computer, sonos upstairs to play the music files off the computer)
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Vanatoo speakers are great, and are completely accoustically flat with no artificial bass enhancement.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N33WUJ9/ref=dp_prsubs_1

http://www.vanatoo.com/uploads/pdf/v...---rev-1.1.pdf

I have the previous version, but these are less expensive, and marginally better.

They are good to about 45Hz. If you need the .1, the Velodyne microvee is a nice option.

These things blow away the Audioengine 5s.

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We struck a deal, of sorts. I am selling my old turntable, and the plan was to use that mostly for my computer upgrade this summer (ram prices usually drop in the summer).

So I am going to use part of that to get Audio Engine 2s, and a Monoprice sub. That means there will be less for the upgrade, but it should be manageable.

I love the idea of the Vanatoos, WG, they are just too much money.

Outlaw Audio has a decent little sub for around 300, the entry level Hsu sub is around 400.

Hsu has the VTF2 Mk 5 for around 600, it has a very good rep.


Monoprice has a sub for 100 bucks that should easily blow the doors off the Klipsch bass box. It'll do.

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I like reading this thread even though I am not likely to ever have good speakers
The last 20 years has seen amazing progress in audio.


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https://www.parts-express.com/ an excellent source for electronic components to build your own speakers, subwoofers, etc..
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https://www.parts-express.com/ an excellent source for electronic components to build your own speakers, subwoofers, etc..
The only thing I ever made in shop was ashtrays.

I got it in my head to try building a really nice 100 watt stereo amp from parts. I used to subscribe to a NH rag that was all about DIY audio. Put a ton of work into it, but when it came time to wire it up I fried this really big expensive cap. That was the 80s, I think it's still in the cellar, somewhere.
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Still have the sand cast aluminum ashtray I made in school shop class, in the late 50's, banged on it, methodically all over, with a ball peen hammer
to cover up the surface problems ..


Did a Heathkit, BITD, when they were around.. (@P-E, you could probably find your damaged capacitor, there)







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(@P-E, you could probably find your damaged capacitor, there)

These were monsters, way more than was needed for 100 watts. That was the thing to do back then.
Finding ain't the problem. Avoiding frying them is.
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THey have some big ones approaching red-bull can sized..
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