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Old 05-28-18, 10:15 AM
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Physical Help During a Race

I'm old school and hard core. IMO When you enter a running race, it is all on you and you accept 100% of the risk. You understand that you may push yourself to places where your body's response may be unpredictable. You have no "right" to finish the race.
A runner at a local half marathon was in trouble shortly before the finish line. Falling, unsteady. Clearly in trouble.The runner was approached by medical staff and the race director. Initially, the runner was questioned, and then physically lifted up and essentially dragged across the finish line. That may be fine, but I think that runner gets a DNF.
We have to accept that bad things can happen when we push our bodies to their limits. That's actually part of the attraction. Failure is a VERY real possibility and we have to accept that. I think you're disqualified if touched my anyone else.
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Butt push restart of a rider stopped for a wheel change in a Bike Race should be disqualifying?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Butt push restart of a rider stopped for a wheel change in a Bike Race should be disqualifying?
No, I'm actually referring to foot races such as 5Ks half-marathon, etc.
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Are we talking amateur races? Or serious "pro" races?

There's a big difference...
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
Are we talking amateur races? Or serious "pro" races?

There's a big difference...
What's the difference?
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Butt push restart of a rider stopped for a wheel change in a Bike Race should be disqualifying?
No, but it's clearly sexual harassment!

The only thing close to a race I do is randonneuring. In this case, you can get all the help you want from other riders, and even have your bike repaired at the shop, if it's near the route. But you have to re-enter the course where you left it, make all the checkpoints on time, and never call in help from the outside world. Walk your bike over to the shop, yes; call and have him drive over and fix you up, no. I really like the aspect that you are not in competition with the other riders, only your own limits.
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But then how does everybody get a trophy?
Dragging somebody over the line is for warm fuzzies for spectators and media.
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
What's the difference?
The difference between love and war.
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I realize this is Bike Forums, but I thought this sub-forum was "off-topic".
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Old 05-28-18, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
But then how does everybody get a trophy?
Dragging somebody over the line is for warm fuzzies for spectators and media.
Precisely!
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I gotta question the OP's vision here.

Did you lose out in your age group in some local charity 5k to some one being assisted across the line? You lost out on your plastic participation medal?
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
But then how does everybody get a trophy?
Dragging somebody over the line is for warm fuzzies for spectators and media.
So, what's your point?
Are we there to have fun and celebrate personal achievement or annihilate your competition?
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
I realize this is Bike Forums, but I thought this sub-forum was "off-topic".
This is also the "Lighten up, Francis" sub-forum.
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Old 05-28-18, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
So, what's your point?
Are we there to have fun and celebrate personal achievement or annihilate your competition?
It's a race. Annihilate your competition. Right? LOL
I'm a middle of the pack runner. I've never been in contention for any recognition. I just believe in the integrity of an event. I don't believe in participation trophies at all. I do not believe in five year age groups. I think only excellence should be recognized. I also think that just because someone is better than me, it doesn't diminish my effort. Only the best should be honored. We should all want that. That's what makes us better.
I know for sure excellence is relative. Everyone is striving to be the best they can be. I have enough self esteem to understand that my personal achievements do not deserve or have to be recognized. It's OK. I also know that failure is always a possibility. I accept that as well. I've learned far more from failure than I have from success. I would not accept help from anyone during a (running) race. It's me against the distance and the clock an I accept that time and distance may very well win. If they do, so be it.
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Old 05-28-18, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
This is also the "Lighten up, Francis" sub-forum.
Oh. oops
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Old 05-28-18, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
So, what's your point?
Are we there to have fun and celebrate personal achievement or annihilate your competition?
Fun.
Neither is foo a place to annihilate your competition.
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Old 05-28-18, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
Fun.
Neither is foo a place to annihilate your competition.
You know who you're competition is, don't you?
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
What's the difference?
No move to Monaco to avoid taxes, prize money in amateur races .
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
No move to Monaco to avoid taxes, prize money in amateur races .
Not sure what this means
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Froome got a huge payday from Pro Races , so he moved there...

too slow on your history studies, kid?

Monaco is an income tax haven, It runs off the Casinos.

So lots of rich people live there..





...

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Froome got a huge payday from Pro Races , so he moved there...
You're losing me
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Except for helping the person to get upright, possible to do a quick medical evaluation including if they can stand on their own, any assistance would be grounds for a DQ/DNF in a running race. As someone mentioned above, its good-looking drama that plays well in the media, but its still a DQ. The winner in the London Olympics in the early 1900s got assisted around the track for the final 1/4 mile, and a similar thing happened with a Swiss runner in the women's marathon in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics (you can look it up on YouTube), and both were officially disqualified.

Funny you mention your past and 'no failure/hard man' outlook, and your screen name 'Equinox'; Equinox is a chain of high-end gyms that promote the 'no failure' attitude when working out.
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Except for helping the person to get upright, possible to do a quick medical evaluation including if they can stand on their own, any assistance would be grounds for a DQ/DNF in a running race. As someone mentioned above, its good-looking drama that plays well in the media, but its still a DQ. The winner in the London Olympics in the early 1900s got assisted around the track for the final 1/4 mile, and a similar thing happened with a Swiss runner in the women's marathon in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics (you can look it up on YouTube), and both were officially disqualified.

Funny you mention your past and 'no failure/hard man' outlook, and your screen name 'Equinox'; Equinox is a chain of high-end gyms that promote the 'no failure' attitude when working out.
I agree. certainly the runner should be medically assessed and treated appropriately. I admit it's a tough situation. In this case, the runner absolutely did not cross the finish line under his own power, therefore, DQ. Failure is not the end of the world.
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Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
I'm old school and hard core.

IMO When you enter a running race, it is all on you and you accept 100% of the risk. You understand that you may push yourself to places where your body's response may be unpredictable. You have no "right" to finish the race.

A runner at a local half marathon was in trouble shortly before the finish line. Falling, unsteady. Clearly in trouble.The runner was approached by medical staff and the race director. Initially, the runner was questioned, and then physically lifted up and essentially dragged across the finish line. That may be fine, but I think that runner gets a DNF.
We have to accept that bad things can happen when we push our bodies to their limits. That's actually part of the attraction. Failure is a VERY real possibility and we have to accept that. I think you're disqualified if touched my anyone else.
I wonder if event staff decided to help him the last 100ft so he wouldn't trip up other runners. Maybe they thought that his 4hr half marathon effort wasn't going to put him into Boston Marathon contention. I don't know, these thoughts are just conjecture.

Next time make sure to verbalize your opinion, loudly. Don't stand down, start screaming about it. Remember that life is absolute and unforgiving. Infact you should probably get a sign made that says DNF on it, and put it in his lawn. Don't let this injustice stand! It's up to righteous people such as yourself to maintain the purity of the sport.

My condolences to whatever injury you suffered that prevented you from running a full marathon.

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