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Old 07-11-18, 03:28 PM
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I don't know why metal straws would be any different than metal silverware or glass glasses. In many bars the glasses are washed by hand, just do the same with a metal straw. So the bartender has to run a brush through it. So what?
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Carbon fiber straws can be engineered to flex where you want them to flex, and be stiff where you want them to be stiff. For competative drinking, it's hard to beat carbon fiber.
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Old 07-11-18, 04:03 PM
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So the bartender has to run a brush through it. So what?
There's your problem. Do you really think that will happen in real life?
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Just as long as they don't make a straw made out of compost!
What are they going to do about lids and a whole slew of other plastic things?
At the San Diego Zoo (and I assume lots of other places) the concessions use plastic-seeming sporks that are compostable. Apparently they're made partly of potato starch or something? They seem exactly like regular plasticware, except a little beiger. (And even that is probably added dye or intentionally omitted bleach, to signal 'environmentally-conscious' to the consumer)
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Old 07-11-18, 05:19 PM
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Carbon fiber straws can be engineered to flex where you want them to flex, and be stiff where you want them to be stiff. For competative drinking, it's hard to beat carbon fiber.
When I retire, i am getting a titanium straw.

:e: With custom geometry, of course

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When I retire, i am getting a titanium straw.
Why wait?



Grade 2 seamless titanium tubing, good up to 4,000psi, $14 a foot.
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When I retire, i am getting a titanium straw.
There are many on Amazon....along with titanium sporks....no actual titanium splayds however, which truly disappoints me
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Old 07-11-18, 10:53 PM
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There's your problem. Do you really think that will happen in real life?
Yes. I also think they can be sanitized in commercial dishwashers. I just don't see the issue.
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Just as long as they don't make a straw made out of compost!
Can one still get sausages made out intestines?

Perhaps one could also make straws out of intestines. Or, arteries and veins?

It should be edible too.
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Yes. I also think they can be sanitized in commercial dishwashers. I just don't see the issue.

Then suck on your metal straws that someone else just slobbered in. I will be passing.
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Then suck on your metal straws that someone else just slobbered in. I will be passing.
Yet, are you willing to drink out of a cup or glass that someone else drank out of? Eat off a plate that someone else ate off of, and use table utensils that someone else previously used?

Oh, and don't forget sitting down in a chair that someone else previously sat in (without it being sanitized).

Grab that salt or pepper shaker that someone else previously grabbed?

Ummm... did they do that trick of shoving a knife down into the ketchup bottle to make it run?
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Yet, are you willing to drink out of a cup or glass that someone else drank out of? Eat off a plate that someone else ate off of, and use table utensils that someone else previously used?

Oh, and don't forget sitting down in a chair that someone else previously sat in (without it being sanitized).

Grab that salt or pepper shaker that someone else previously grabbed?

Ummm... did they do that trick of shoving a knife down into the ketchup bottle to make it run?
You aren't going to be able to properly clean inside a straw.
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Old 07-12-18, 10:50 AM
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This misguided, ill-informed greenie stuff is all fun and games until someone gets sick from communicable diseases.

Bans on plastic grocery bags and straws are way behind the times. Most grocery store plastic bags are biodegradable now. You can test for yourself. Leave a bag in a window, inside your car, etc., for a few weeks or months. It'll probably break down quickly and crumble. If it doesn't, ask your grocery store to switch to biodegradable bags. The non-biodegradable bags are mostly used by places like Target, some Walmart purchases (other than their grocery store), larger bags used by pharmacies, etc. That's mostly because the thin biodegradable bags tend to come with holes, tear easily and need to be double bagged to hold anything heavy or boxes with sharp corners.

And many plastic drinking straws are biodegradable. I see a few from our neighborhood Sonic, Braum's, etc. After a few weeks in the sun they crumble when stepped on.

The problem with insisting on reusable tote bags is you're at the mercy of the customers and their personal hygiene.

When I was in the Navy as a teenager I got an introduction to low rent apartment living. One of our neighbors had a kid still in diapers. Cloth diapers. She'd take the bag filled with poop-filled diapers directly to the apartment complex laundry room and dump the dumps right into the washers as-is. As Vizzini would later say, inconceivable.

Ever visit a family member or friend in the hospital? Ever notice where women set their purses, or kids set their backpacks? Usually on the floor. If they knew what happens to hospital floors they'd never set anything on the floor, and they'd wear disposable shoe covers.

On any given day in a hospital, someone has had a bowel prep in advance of surgery and ignored the nurse's instructions to sit on the portable toilet or bathroom toilet. The patient has no idea how fast and hard that bowel prep stuff hits. So they squirt the contents of their bowels all over the floor. You'd be amazed how much liquefied crap can come out of a human being. It'll spread and cover the entire floor of a hospital room.

So housekeeping come in to mop it up. And they reuse the same mop on the entire unit. Every room, every hallway, everywhere. Oh, sure, they rinse and "disinfect" the mop and bucket between uses. Sorta. But that stuff needs to be autoclaved between uses, or bleached for an hour. Nobody does that. When I worked in a tissue bank OR we had to disinfect the OR's stainless steel walls, ceiling, etc., every few weeks or months, and it was almost impossible to do a perfect job. Swabs would still come back positive for various nasties. You can only imagine how foul a typical hospital ward is.

And some folks take their reusable tote bags in there, then to the grocery store and set those contaminated things on the same conveyor belt as my food. No, thanks.

There's a good reason why we readily adopted disposable bags, straws, diapers, toilet paper instead of communal sponges on sticks, etc. It wasn't just for convenience. It was a public health issue. But thanks, anti-vaxxers and anti-science cranks, for dragging us back to the dark ages.

By all means, let's ignore everything we've learned about preventive medicine, public health and communicable diseases, and return to the bad ol' days of Typhoid Mary, dysentery and polio.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
You aren't going to be able to properly clean inside a straw.
The stainless steel dip tubes in my kegs are over two feet long. I guarantee they are clean and sanitized when I rack a beer.

And there are occasionally solid matter bits sent through when I get a little overzealous with dry hopping.
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Old 07-12-18, 10:59 AM
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And while I'm at it -- because any good rant should be belabored until it sucks all the air out of the room -- Camelbak... I'm glaring at you, buddy.

Hey, I love the convenience of Camelbak lids and drinking spouts. But those damned things are impossible to get clean. That diaphragm that enables squirting water without splashing when in the bottle cage is impossible to disassemble properly. Once mold/mildew/nasties form under there, even bleaching won't get it out -- it can't reach under that rubber seal. So I have to use cotton swabs and tiny pry bars to clean 'em properly.

My Ninja blender is almost as difficult to clean properly. The stacking whip/cutter/beater doodads aren't too bad -- a bottle brush can reach inside. But the convoluted lid design used with the top-mounted motor has crooks and nannies that are almost impossible to reach. I use a combination of craft store brushes intended for watercolor and acrylic painting to reach into those niches. The Ninja is way over-engineered. The old base motor type blenders were much easier to clean.
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The stainless steel dip tubes in my kegs are over two feet long. I guarantee they are clean and sanitized when I rack a beer.

And there are occasionally solid matter bits sent through when I get a little overzealous with dry hopping.
Yeah, but you're motivated by the pursuit of the nectar of the gods. @Doohickie and I ride with many of the same folks in local group rides, one of whom runs a local microbrewery and tap room. I've hung around watching the process and listening to the fellow talk about how meticulous the process has to be. They put in at least as much effort in cleaning and disinfecting for making beer as our operating room crew did in disinfecting the tissue bank OR at the old National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda.
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You aren't going to be able to properly clean inside a straw.
If it isn't getting clean, then simply clean it better. Make sure you have a rack that will hold them so that very hot water shoots through them in a dishwasher, then they are also rinsed well. Actually, the issue may be that if they fit too tightly in the rack, then the outsides won't be properly cleaned.

It wouldn't take much to design a special straw washer if needed, cleaning the outside, and pressure cleaning the inside.

What are straws all about anyway? I never use a straw at home. I've been drinking out of cups since I was about 2.

The only real advantage of a straw is making a kind of a sippy cup for road trips, and drinking thickened drinks (which often clogs the straws anyway).
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It seems as if people opposed to non-plastic straws are setting-up false arguments, only to knock them down. Straw-men arguments, in other words.
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Metal utensils? What a concept. If only we had some way to wash these types of things in large volume. Maybe some day.
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Metal utensils? What a concept. If only we had some way to wash these types of things in large volume. Maybe some day.
Yeah maybe if you could actually get some to clean inside the straw. "Maybe someday".

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Yeah maybe if you could actually get some to clean inside the straw. "Maybe someday".

I seriously doubt you're gonna get any kitchen staff to do this from each end, in hot soapy water, hundreds of times a day. And yes, the sublime frozen smoothies I'm famous for will collapse any other mortal straw
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It wouldn't be very difficult to design a metal straw washing machine that could be behind every bar and in every meal service dish washing area. The clean ones could be stored in jar of blue liquid like at the barber.
But metal straws are not the future except perhaps owned personally.
There are other solutions, paper and biodegradable, etc.
Plus every place that serves drinks will need bendy straws for those who need them to drink.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
I don't use straws, except in Icees, which I get maybe 8 times a year. It won't faze me at all if straws go away.

Metal straws sound like a personal injury lawsuit waiting to happen.
+1, not use them.

Change 10 recycle fee for plastic ones, that'll get them out of the garbage dump
I used to collect, recycle glass pop bottles @ 2 each. Big money back in the day
Big ones were 5...
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I seriously doubt you're gonna get any kitchen staff to do this from each end, in hot soapy water, hundreds of times a day. And yes, the sublime frozen smoothies I'm famous for will collapse any other mortal straw
Ahhhh sort of my point.
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