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Old 07-20-18, 04:03 AM
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Why in the hell does anyone need to get on Facebook?
Fixed it for you.
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Old 07-20-18, 04:17 AM
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Certain functions really do need to be simpler and easy to quickly manipulate (like the basic A/C functions) so that you don't crash or have to pull over, while others can be buried under a menu or two.

I like to quickly adjust fan speed and radio volume without having to look away or think too much.

I've had a few rental cars that I wouldn't own because doing certain things (that I'd call basic functions) was a chore because of how 'clever' the system was.
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Old 07-20-18, 07:52 AM
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Can I have the old analog stereos with the push buttons that one pushes in, and the button manually moves the dial.

One issue that I have had in the past is driving a couple of different vehicles. Each stereo works more or less the same, but all the buttons or dials are different, so one has to always glance at the stereo to see what is what.

I could imagine with the new cars and touch screens, if one owned a Chevy, Honda, and Toyota... More or less all doing the same thing, but in entirely different ways, and no tactile feedback.

Plus, no "one-touch". For example, on Mom's Toyota, it takes about 3 buttons and menu choices to enable navigation. Why not one button? And muting the voice, is a half a dozen more buttons to hit. Even a phone has one button mute or volume.

And, of course the annoying thing. The car can auto detect a passenger. But, it locks out half the navigation controls when the car is moving no matter whether there is a passenger in the car or not.
Good point on "auto detecting the passenger." It annoys me to no end as a passenger that certain features are locked out while moving. Probably one the bigger reasons we use google maps on the phone instead of car GPS.

My neighbor just bought a brand new car... his complaint... small text on the screen. He can't switch to reading glasses while driving, thus can't read the menus and such to change the radio or temperature or read the GPS.

No doubt bifocals are in order... for him to drive.
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Old 07-20-18, 08:28 AM
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watching your habits , the market assumption is you want screens to play with..







a replacement sensor in a newer car, .. costs more,

than my past cars themselves cost, as a whole.. 20~30 years ago..




....




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Old 07-20-18, 08:29 AM
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I think car manufacturers are still figuring it out. This is why I'm going to wait a few more years before buying a new car. Hopefully, by then, they would have perfected the infotainment interface.
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Old 07-20-18, 09:55 AM
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I think car manufacturers are still figuring it out. This is why I'm going to wait a few more years before buying a new car. Hopefully, by then, they would have perfected the infotainment interface.
Then plan on a 2022. These screen are a completely new technology in automobiles so its going to take a cycle just to begin getting feedback on how they work and last overtime.

One more thing, this doesn't just apply to infotainment but the dash on many new cars are going electronic. Does anybody know what happens when that thing goes black?

One more thing, electronic go out of style pretty quick, so do these screen mean we'll have to get new cars every year like phones from now on?

Anyway, I made a thread a while ago about the RAM 12" infotainment display on their new trucks. Its a dazzling piece of state-of-the-art equipment right now, but I'd imagine that will be a laughable 12" reminder of obsolete technology in 4 or 5 years.
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Old 07-20-18, 10:46 AM
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What really worry me is what is reliablity of touchscreens are in long term.

I mean a smartphone is only good for a few years...and we toss it away for a new phone...so who cares.

But cars are meant to last 20 to 30 years. Will the touchscreen still work in 20 years, sitting on the dash board cooked by the sun all day? Or will car owners have to spend $1000 on a new touchscreen every few years.
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Old 07-20-18, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
What really worry me is what is reliablity of touchscreens are in long term.

I mean a smartphone is only good for a few years...and we toss it away for a new phone...so who cares.

But cars are meant to last 20 to 30 years. Will the touchscreen still work in 20 years, sitting on the dash board cooked by the sun all day? Or will car owners have to spend $1000 on a new touchscreen every few years.
Answer: B if I know the automobile industry.
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Old 07-20-18, 01:52 PM
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My '17 Forester has touch screen for audio except for volume, which is a knob. Everything else is "manual." I am with the OP. Give me knobs I can turn with my fingers.
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Old 07-20-18, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I think car manufacturers are still figuring it out. This is why I'm going to wait a few more years before buying a new car. Hopefully, by then, they would have perfected the infotainment interface.
BMW changed the i-drive system pretty quick!

Yes, they are figuring it out, but making just as many new mistakes as corrections.
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Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
BMW changed the i-drive system pretty quick!
Biggest failure from BMW ever.

Yes, they are figuring it out, but making just as many new mistakes as corrections.
Most of us are dazzled by fresh new electronic but fail to look down the road far enough to realize how quickly they will become obsolete. The problem with 'figuring it out" is that it comes as the consumer's expense. In more ways than one.

If I were a designer my main focus would be to always maintain some level of manual override. If all your accessories are routed through one electronic panel, what happens to your ability of control them when that unit fails? Will you still be able to turn on and use your radio, satnav, or A/C?
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Old 07-20-18, 07:32 PM
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Get you a 2005-2011 Lincoln Town Car. Itís like going back in time to the 60s.
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Old 07-20-18, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by brianmcg123 View Post
Get you a 2005-2011 Lincoln Town Car. Itís like going back in time to the 60s.
LOL, you do know that the LTC is back?

2018 LTC

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Old 07-20-18, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
LOL, you do know that the LTC is back?

2018 LTC

Nope. That's the Continental.
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Nope. That's the Continental.
Correct: here is the car you specified:

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Old 07-21-18, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Technology makes us lazy. I remember driving with manual steering, and never thought it was difficult.
In 1964 my sister traded in her '49 Cadillac convertible for a new car principally because the Caddy was a bear to park because of its lack of power assist for the steering. It had lots of potential for eye gouging with all the solid knobs sticking out of the unpadded dash though.

Sure wish she was stronger and kept that car.
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Old 07-21-18, 07:48 AM
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In 1964 my sister traded in her '49 Cadillac convertible for a new car principally because the Caddy was a bear to park because of its lack of power assist for the steering. It had lots of potential for eye gouging with all the solid knobs sticking out of the unpadded dash though.

Sure wish she was stronger and kept that car.
I'll bet you do. Just imagine...




My mom had a '63 she bough used. I talked her into lowering the top one weekend and it was the weirdest sensation being out in the open while on the highway.
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Sarcasm? I don't remember them ever breaking. Anyway, just wait until these things breakdown. Although if we're lucky they are likely to just be replaced -- at a handsome cost no doubt.

In any event, has anyone consider what will happen when your nanny smart screens -- that run the car -- decides to just shut down? Ninety percent of your controls will be gone. Will you even be able to drive the car?
Most likely there will a "limp back home" mode, and just like many electronic items, in that there is a booming business for rebuilt or replacement parts, a replacement part should be readily available, depending on the age and popularity of the vehicle.

Control knobs, I do miss at times, but the tube warm up time, and RFI noise, on my first vehicle's radio, is something that I don't miss one bit.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Biggest failure from BMW ever. Most of us are dazzled by fresh new electronic but fail to look down the road far enough to realize how quickly they will become obsolete. The problem with 'figuring it out" is that it comes as the consumer's expense. In more ways than one.

If I were a designer my main focus would be to always maintain some level of manual override. If all your accessories are routed through one electronic panel, what happens to your ability of control them when that unit fails? Will you still be able to turn on and use your radio, satnav, or A/C?
Good question... I already had one annoying long temporary failure. I accidently turned off the car while still in drive. Then tried to turn it back on, after going to park. The info screen didn't boot up... neither did the dash... I had nothing but basic idiot lights, not even a speed indicator. I drove it like that for about 15 min... the car still drove fine... but I was blind to anything but major failures such as overheating.

Finally, I pulled over for a stop... ensured it was in park, shut it all down again, ran a quick errand... came back, and it all rebooted this time... although it took longer. It has worked fine since.

The car did drive OK while the info screen was blank... I just had no backup cam, no speedo, no radio, no gps. Temp controls still worked... they have knobs, and buttons, and digital displays.
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I was gonna say "at least motorcycles are immune from that stupidity". But then I did a quick search...

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
In 1964 my sister traded in her '49 Cadillac convertible for a new car principally because the Caddy was a bear to park because of its lack of power assist for the steering. It had lots of potential for eye gouging with all the solid knobs sticking out of the unpadded dash though.

Sure wish she was stronger and kept that car.
Sounds similar to my dad trading in our '56 Nomad, since it had 53,000 miles on it, plus he wanted a 4 door, for us kids.
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I'll bet you do. Just imagine...


That was the color of her Caddy, but it had red leather seats. It was the first year of their OHV V-8 and ran really nice, I only got to drive it a few times. But it was heavy; it had bumpers meant for bumping, and fenders meant for fending.
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Sounds similar to my dad trading in our '56 Nomad, since it had 53,000 miles on it, plus he wanted a 4 door, for us kids.
My father gave his '49 Hudson with about 50,000 miles on it to my brother to drive to high school in the late 50's because he figured any car with that many miles wasn't long for the junkyard. He was right. First reverse quit and then first gear, leaving only 2nd and 3ed operable. My brother had to be very careful where he parked it so he could be sure of getting out of the parking area.

Cars have come a long way in reliability since the days of all the heavy iron.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
My father gave his '49 Hudson with about 50,000 miles on it to my brother to drive to high school in the late 50's because he figured any car with that many miles wasn't long for the junkyard. He was right. First reverse quit and then first gear, leaving only 2nd and 3ed operable. My brother had to be very careful where he parked it so he could be sure of getting out of the parking area.

Cars have come a long way in reliability since the days of all the heavy iron.
That's funny, the transmission in my dad's '62 Impala went on the Fritz six months after I started driving it.......
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