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Old 07-28-18, 02:14 PM
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do humans deserve dogs?

they do so much for us humans from k9 cops to bomb detection to being the best freind you can have etc etc but we still put to sleep a boat load of dogs becuase they was abandoned
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Old 07-28-18, 02:25 PM
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We do not deserve them. We are fortunate, however, that in spite of our shortcomings dogs tolerate our presence in their lives.




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Old 07-28-18, 02:35 PM
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Cute dogs they look as if there smilinng
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Y'know, I was wrong the other day... not all dog threads are the same. This one is okay.

Proceed.



Commence with the happy dog thread.
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Old 07-28-18, 03:23 PM
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Dogs and humans have developed a mutually beneficial relationship. The dogs get free food, and care in trade for companionship, being a watch dog, doing a few entertaining tricks, etc.

But, not all are good matches.

And, without population control, they will reproduce more than we can handle.
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You folks do understand that dogs have been bred to like us... the ones that didn't smile and wag were left on the range.
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You have to remember that humans do that to other humans as well. Dogs are fairly patient and caring.
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good input everyone
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Don't wanna verge on P&R here, but dogs are less valuable than people. I would (and I think almost anybody would) risk/sacrifice a dog life to save the life of a human every time, but not the other way around.

But dogs can be wonderfully beneficial, as genec noted, humans have bred and trained them to behave that way.

Dogs that are humanely put to sleep I think are better off than living miserable lives, on the street, or with abusive/neglectful owners.
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Old 07-30-18, 06:45 PM
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Don't wanna verge on P&R here, but dogs are less valuable than people. I would (and I think almost anybody would) risk/sacrifice a dog life to save the life of a human every time, but not the other way around.

But dogs can be wonderfully beneficial, as genec noted, humans have bred and trained them to behave that way.

Dogs that are humanely put to sleep I think are better off than living miserable lives, on the street, or with abusive/neglectful owners.
humans have never been as good to me as dogs have been.
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This is one sumbich that doesn't deserve dogs;
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Old 07-31-18, 11:22 AM
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I would (and I think almost anybody would) risk/sacrifice a dog life to save the life of a human every time, but not the other way around.
For me, that would depend upon my perception of
the person
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More pointedly, do dogs deserve the likes if US?
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More pointedly, do dogs deserve the likes if US?
Amen

To quote Tommy Lee Jones' wisdom from Men in Black, "People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
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Old 09-26-19, 04:25 PM
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No we don't.


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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
Don't wanna verge on P&R here, but dogs are less valuable than people.
Well dogs never gave us a theory of relativity or anything, but they don't commit genocide either.

Considering how we allow homeless people to live, often in abject misery, I don't think society agrees with you about the value of human life or dignity. I mean, they sleep outdoors in freezing conditions, and people call the police to drive them away.
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I don't have any statistics, but I bet it's pretty easy to demonstrate that human effort/american expenditure/whatever in homeless shelters, soup kitches, etc is more than is expended to help stray dogs and cats.

And I bet there's way more stray dogs and cats than homeless humans, so care per individual is even higher.

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Old 09-27-19, 11:20 AM
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Maybe; that's anybody's guess.

Homeless humans are treated with contempt. Somebody made an app to call the police to come harass homeless people. We have enough empty buildings in this country to take everybody off the street, but won't.

Hell, a lot of people with homes are treated with contempt, too, for the color of their skin, the things they believe, who they are attracted to, and a thousand other reasons.

Dogs and cats just aren't capable of the kind of hatred that people show each other.

I don't think there's an objective reason humans are more valuable than pets. We're human so of course it seems that way to us, but that's perception.
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Old 09-27-19, 12:47 PM
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I don't think there's an objective reason humans are more valuable than pets. We're human so of course it seems that way to us, but that's perception.
Outside of P&R, yes, humans are just animals which are usually smarter and sometimes crueller.

But even P&R aside, most people affirm that human life is intrinsically more valuable than animal life. For one, that's why most people have no problem eating animals and raising them for the sole purpose of being eaten.

If a fireman was told 'that burning building is about to collapse, but you should have time to save either the man at one end of the building, or the dog at the other end of the building', he would save the man every time and nobody would fault him. Even if it was "you can save the habitual dog abuser at one end of the building, or 20 abused dogs at the other end of the building".

Very few people are convinced and consistent with a belief that animals are as valuable as humans. You may be one of them.

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Like it or not, nature has a pecking order. We see it in packs that run together, and tribes that confront each other. In this world, the human being is the tribe that sits at the top of the pecking order, thus, humans are seen as more valuable than members of other tribes. Just the way it is. The question of deserving one or the other is a question with many answers, depending upon whom is asked.
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I don't mean to be so down on humanity, I think in a lot of ways we're fantastic. There's a lot of poetic license to say the universe evolved humans as a way to understand itself; if you take intention out of it, there's some truth too.

We're also destroying the planet, our only home, and many of the systems we rely on for our survival. That's a type of long term stupidity we're alone in.

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Very few people are convinced and consistent with a belief that animals are as valuable as humans. You may be one of them.
You make some compelling points. For the record, or for context or whatever, I'm a vegetarian, I don't judge anyone else for how they eat, but for myself I can't justify killing a sentient being that obviously wants to stay alive, for its meat. Most people don't know that about me, I only bring it up when it's relevant, and your last paragraph makes it relevant to this discussion.
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Enough.

Yes.
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For the record, or for context or whatever, I'm a vegetarian, I don't judge anyone else for how they eat, but for myself I can't justify killing a sentient being that obviously wants to stay alive, for its meat. Most people don't know that about me, I only bring it up when it's relevant, and your last paragraph makes it relevant to this discussion.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I believe meat-eaters should be aware of how meat works, and if they're too squeamish to learn 'how the sausage is made', they also should not eat meat. Cruelty to animals is bad. Temple Grandin is very good.
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I urge everyone to visit a slaughterhouse some time, it's a real eye-opener. It's so bad there are laws against even taking videos of what you see. I've watched a family-raised animal slaughtered (a steer) on-site, and that's mildly-upsetting. But when you see it done on an industrial scale ... well, you simply need to see it to believe it, and you probably won't be biting into any rare steaks for a while.
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I urge everyone to visit a slaughterhouse some time, it's a real eye-opener. It's so bad there are laws against even taking videos of what you see. I've watched a family-raised animal slaughtered (a steer) on-site, and that's mildly-upsetting. But when you see it done on an industrial scale ... well, you simply need to see it to believe it, and you probably won't be biting into any rare steaks for a while.
Visit a muslim country during "eid al-adha" and you will have a similar experience.
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