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Food and Beverage Manufactures: Content-reducing Packaging

Old 08-12-18, 12:57 PM
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a long time ago I noticed a frozen pizza in a box was a dollar higher than the same exact, same size same brand pizza was that was just wrapped in that shrink freezer wrap stuff.
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It is an odd economy. Packaging and distribution costs far more than the raw materials.

However, I presume this comes about through competition.

products X & Y are on the shelf. X is more expensive than Y so nobody buys it. To compensate, X is made smaller so prices look similar. Then Y is made allergic to match X.

Or, perhaps they have a target price of say $2, and reduce package sizes with inflation to match the target price.
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Old 08-12-18, 01:32 PM
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On the positive side, if we don't teach our kids to do math in their heads, and to convert between ounces, pounds, and estimating pints, quarts, and gallons, then they'll never know the difference.
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Old 08-12-18, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Whaa, Whaa, Whaa! Too dumb or lazy to read the label; boo darn hoo!
It still doesn't excuse the fact that companies are participating in deception.

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Old 08-12-18, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
I only pay attention to unit pricing.
^ This.


I'm all for more-efficient, environmentally-friendly packaging. I'm all for pricing things more expensively when divvied up into dinky little containers, and less expensively when placed into larger ones. Based on the per-unit (ie per-ounce or per-pound) pricing.

The grocery where I often get most products labels things that vary by sizing with a per-unit price ... even when discounted. Makes it easy to compare across different brands, sizes.
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Old 08-12-18, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Whaa, Whaa, Whaa! Too dumb or lazy to read the label; boo darn hoo!
When did they change from 5 lb bags of sugar to 4 lb bags?
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Old 08-12-18, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
When did they change from 5 lb bags of sugar to 4 lb bags?
Google your exact question as laid out. Earliest complaint about 4 lb bags of sugar in the link results is from 2006.
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Old 08-12-18, 08:46 PM
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And yet Americans keep getting fatter. Hmmmm.

On the flip side of the "content reducing packing" we have the continued super sizing of portions. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
And yet Americans keep getting fatter. Hmmmm.

On the flip side of the "content reducing packing" we have the continued super sizing of portions. Go figure.
Americans keep getting fatter because of the insane cost of actual food. When I was still married with a family of 4, my wife cooked everything from scratch, her dad even raised our beef so no cost to us, and we budgeted $250/week for groceries (food, toiletries, and cleaning included). That's one full paycheck at least a month for groceries by normal standards. Actually more than a full paycheck since the median income for family comes from the combined income. A lot can't afford that and that is why people eat processed foods. Heck, I'm divorced now, I rarely eat anything decent these days. Can't afford it on 25% of my income.

My paycheck took care of our meeting median income and the wife's part time was what put us slightly above median income. My paycheck paid the grocery bill for the month and the 2nd paycheck covered the house payment with a little left that didn't cover the rest of living expenses.

That's how it is in my area. As I'm on a lot of BBQ forums and Facebook groups, it does make me ill to see people post all the time the things they buy for the grill still in the packaging. A lot of people are posting 3 pound tomahawk steaks with $5.99/lb prices. Last I looked, a Ribeye steak for me is $19.95/lb. That's $60 for the steak they are posting and they're showing 4 or 5 of them on the grill! Ground beef is $5.99/lb. Chicken breast is $4.99/lb. Other southern areas post prices that I haven't seen since the 90's.
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Old 08-13-18, 07:04 AM
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And some get blocked. Bye.
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Old 08-13-18, 08:13 AM
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Let’s watch the personal insults. A few posts were edited or deleted to remove language.
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Old 08-13-18, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mrodgers View Post
Americans keep getting fatter because of the insane cost of actual food.
I'd say they're getting fatter due to lack of exercise and all the unhealthy foods they eat, including meat. Maybe fancy steaks are expensive (I wouldn't know, been veggie for 30 years) but there's an unlimited supply of dollar 99 whoopers, cheap TV dinners, and loads of other processed junk available in the supermarkets for a buck or two. One can (and many do) eat plenty of junk food on the cheap. That's what's making us fatter.
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Old 08-13-18, 09:25 AM
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It's called "weight out":

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803121615200

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remember when the standard pasta sauce like Ragu, etc., came in a 32 oz. jar. Then they went to 28 oz. At least one major pasta maker tried it. San Gorgio went from 16 oz. to 12 oz.
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Old 08-13-18, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
Exactly. I read the label on everything. Ingredients, nutrition info, unit weight, where it comes from, etc. How could you not?? No amount of Gov. regs could ever reduce the concept of caveat emptor.
Yeah. If the weight is disclosed, I cannot see why anyone feels they are being deceived.
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Old 08-13-18, 11:41 AM
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What pissed me off was when they did the peanut butter resize they domed the base and now You can't get the last product out as easily.
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Old 08-13-18, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Yeah. If the weight is disclosed, I cannot see why anyone feels they are being deceived.
Because that's what manufacturers do. Remember when McDonald's apple pie didn't have any apples in it? Like someone already stated profit is there main concern, by any means necessary.

It the advocates and watch groups we have to thank for those "label" in the first place.

Rules of Acquisition: # 239 Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
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Old 08-13-18, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post


It still doesn't excuse the fact that companies are participating in deception.
How is it deception when the facts are right there in front of your face?? If your favorite brand of hemorrhoid cream didn't change along with the competition, then they would be out of business and you wouldn't be able to get it at all.

It's not collusion, it's competition. Manufacturers can't help it if people in general are lazy and stupid.

Anyone complaining about this stuff is lazy and purchases only on price. If they really cared, they would read the damn label and quit whining.
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Old 08-13-18, 08:05 PM
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There are also products like some OTC drugs that come in the same container size for over a magnitude range of pill counts..
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
There are also products like some OTC drugs that come in the same container size for over a magnitude range of pill counts..
That's a good point. Also some packaging changes require more tooling/pgk equipment changes than others.

Keeping the same rough package size but a domed or raised bottom likely requires fewer tooling changes on the production line. It may be as simple as that.
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Old 08-13-18, 08:36 PM
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How is it deception when the facts are right there in front of your face?? If your favorite brand of hemorrhoid cream didn't change along with the competition, then they would be out of business and you wouldn't be able to get it at all.

It's not collusion, it's competition. Manufacturers can't help it if people in general are lazy and stupid.

Anyone complaining about this stuff is lazy and purchases only on price. If they really cared, they would read the damn label and quit whining.
Because not everyone has the intelligence to figure it out that is why. Why would a company choose a larger package at greater cost when they can get any with a smaller package and lower packaging costs. They do it to make people think they are getting something they aren't. Many of us are smart enough to figure it out. But there are enough people in the world that simply can't figure that out and that is enough to warrant a larger package size to sell air.

Too lazy to figure it out or simple lack of intelligence due to accident of birth born or educated, it doesn't matter. It still amounts to deception. It is the modern day snake oil sales. Lazy or just low IQ, you don't take advantage of people.

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Old 08-13-18, 09:04 PM
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Its really no about how smart someone is. Even the most savvy shoppers don't walks into a supermarket with the frame of mind to inspect every item on every occasion for deceptive packaging. That may be something you don't initially, but not every week once you know what to expect. First, get people used to a product then secretly change it in some way e.g., size, contents, formula, etc., (without telling them) to increase profit.

A recipe calls for an 8oz cup of sour cream because that's how its sold. Now the package is suddenly 6 oz which mean you're force to buy twice what you need. If you can't see that as a deceptive marketing practice they you're either obtuse or a shareholder.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Its really no about how smart someone is. Even the most savvy shoppers don't walks into a supermarket with the frame of mind to inspect every item on every occasion for deceptive packaging. That may be something you don't initially, but not every week once you know what to expect. First, get people used to a product then secretly change it in some way e.g., size, contents, formula, etc., (without telling them) to increase profit.

A recipe calls for an 8oz cup of sour cream because that's how its sold. Now the package is suddenly 6 oz which mean you're force to buy twice what you need. If you can't see that as a deceptive marketing practice they you're either obtuse or a shareholder.
Everything your complaining about is listed by law on the package. Unless they are selling 6oz packages and labeling it a 8oz. AND falsifying the price per oz info on every store shelf in the US, it is not fraud.

But even if I agreed with you what are you suggesting mfg do? Totally change the packaging? Make you sign an acknowledgement form? What are you proposing?

At some point you need to take some personal responsibility.

And according to you sour cream doesn't grow on trees so nobody should be eating it anyway.
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At some point you need to take some personal responsibility.
+1....and when food shopping, knowledge is a more direct route to health and wellness.
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Everything your complaining about is listed by law on the package. Unless they are selling 6oz packages and labeling it a 8oz. AND falsifying the price per oz info on every store shelf in the US, it is not fraud.
No its not. Its a deceptive way to skirt by the law.

But even if I agreed with you what are you suggesting mfg do? Totally change the packaging? Make you sign an acknowledgement form? What are you proposing?
They've already done that. But you don't have to agree with me, its obvious you represent the manufacturer.

At some point you need to take some personal responsibility.
By checking to see it they've shrunk the packaging? Is that something you do every time you make a purchase?

And according to you sour cream doesn't grow on trees so nobody should be eating it anyway.
Spoken like the consummate businessman. I'm guessing you don't advocate for the consumer? See previous post.
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+1....and when food shopping, knowledge is a more direct route to health and wellness.
All of which were provided due to the contribution of consumer advocates. Not because the manufactures gave it voluntarily.

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I draw the line at beer. I will not buy and Diageo products - Guinness, Stella - that are sold in 15.2 oz bottles or whatever size they use now. They started it in the beer space as far as I know, so they are never ever getting my $ again.
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