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KraneXL 08-08-18 05:18 PM

Food and Beverage Manufactures: Content-reducing Packaging
 
Now here's the problem, are F&B companies gouging the consumer? I think it began with yogurt? For years the standard pack size was 8oz. Then one day while eating one of my favorite Dannon yogurts I noticed the serving size didn't fit the container. When I turned it over I noticed a huge rise between the bottom of the container and the amount of contents inside.

Next it was cooking oil. Seemed like the brand name (Wesson) was cheaper than the store brand. Since it wasn't on sale, I kept staring at the price wondering how that could be, and figuring a mislabeling. Then I picked it up to add it to my basket I immediately noticed the bottle was the same height I'm used to but a lot thinner. When I checked for the amount of contents sure enough, it was 40oz rather than the traditional 48 oz. Finally, sugar. For year it was sold in bags of 5lb increment. Nowadays, those bags have dropped to 4lb.

Do you consider this a deceptive practice? Is it unscrupulous marketing? Do you feel cheated when manufactures do this? Or do you think its up to the consumer to always verify the labels to be sure of what he's paying for? Well at least we know a dozen eggs will always be 12. Except when its sold as a half dozen.








TheLibrarian 08-08-18 05:24 PM

They've got some clever people working for them they'll figure out a way to short you some eggs.

hazetguy 08-08-18 05:29 PM

Have you bought a "half gallon" of orange juice lately? 59oz. It's the new math.

skijor 08-08-18 05:39 PM

And a half gallon of ice cream has been 1.5-1.75qts for a few years now.

noisebeam 08-09-18 12:31 PM

I only pay attention to unit pricing.

Kedosto 08-09-18 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by noisebeam (Post 20497310)
I only pay attention to unit pricing.

Yep. Unit pricing is the only thing that matters. My wife's yogurt is down to 5oz. Won't be long before they'll be selling us eggs in a "convenient 10 pack."

-Kedosto

genec 08-09-18 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Kedosto (Post 20497467)
Yep. Unit pricing is the only thing that matters. My wife's yogurt is down to 5oz. Won't be long before they'll be selling us eggs in a "convenient 10 pack."

-Kedosto

For the same price as that old clumsy 12 pack...

Of course I also recall when Coke came in 7oz bottles... 2 liters is pretty standard these days.

KraneXL 08-09-18 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by skijor (Post 20495930)
And a half gallon of ice cream has been 1.5-1.75qts for a few years now.

Now you see I didn't even know that. All I noticed were those itty-bitty sample cups that they actually charge people for. Not that that's a bad thing here in the U.S. My sister can eat a pint of Haagen Dazs (1000+ cal) in one sitting, not realizing that its actually 3 servings.

genec 08-09-18 05:50 PM

I wonder if those ice cream pints are actually pints? :eek:

roadfix 08-09-18 06:05 PM

Toilet paper too, and most all paper products.

noisebeam 08-09-18 08:02 PM

I've boycotted toilet paper once I learned what a scam it is.

DrIsotope 08-09-18 08:13 PM

The biggest liar in the store is cereal-- they kept the height and width the same, but shrank the depth-- so the boxes look the same on the shelf, but are usually around 20% smaller for the same money.

spinnaker 08-09-18 08:15 PM

Where have you been for the past 10 or 20 years? stuff like this has been going on for a while now. I recall it started with coffee. Same sized container but less product inside.

Oh and the quarter pounder does not weigh a quarter pound and the one foot Subway isn't really a foot. Sorry to burst your bubble. ;)

KraneXL 08-09-18 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by noisebeam (Post 20498103)
I've boycotted toilet paper once I learned what a scam it is.

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njkayaker 08-10-18 09:32 AM

I look at the unit pricing.

clemsongirl 08-10-18 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by njkayaker (Post 20498840)
I look at the unit pricing.

yeah, looking at unit pricing is easier than trying to figure out how packaging has changed…since we have excellent year long farmer markets my shopping for fresh organic produce is done there (plus i’m supporting reasonably close local farmers) for other grocery store items i'm oriented to quality rather than just price/size.

Rollfast 08-10-18 01:01 PM

Unless you have been living with Ma and Pa Kent in Smallville things ain't cheap no more.

KraneXL 08-10-18 08:04 PM

This isn't about pricing, we all realize food -- and everything else -- is getting more expensive. The point is truth in advertising and deceptive marketing practices. I have no idea how long it was before I noticed I was paying for a 4lb bag of sugar instead of 5 lb bag. Do you know when it changed?

And its also about things such as maintaining the pint sized container on the outside while cleverly raising the bottom to reduced the amount of contents on the inside. As someone pointed out, you're not getting a pint (16oz) of ice cream anymore e.g., Haagen-Dazs. Same with cereal -- as if it wasn't already expensive enough. Same height and width when you view it on the shelf, but a lot thinner box in depth.

Most of our lives we've come to expect products in standard sizes but we're getting all kinds of odd measurements lately: 9.5oz instead of 12oz. Or 40oz rather than 48oz. Worst thing is, most of this are from top brands we've come to know and trust.

When you've been buying a product for years does it just happen to occur to you that you might be getting less product in the same size container? Maybe it does now, but I doubt most people check for something like that. That's what make it so insidious. Its like adopting the tactics you'd expect from a used car salesman.

You should be furious at what's happening, and these manufactures for this type of practice. Especially if you've been a loyal purchaser for years. They are quick to advertise when you're getting more i.e., 10% more for the same price. But have you ever seen a single item that informs you when you're getting less than normal?

At least we can now see why we have all the laws and restrictions we do. This should remind us how quickly even the major name brand manufactures will use clandestine methods like modified packaging to cheat their loyal customers. And the fact that they can slip behind a "fine print" type technicality, makes it even worse.

mrodgers 08-10-18 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by genec (Post 20497879)
For the same price as that old clumsy 12 pack...

Of course I also recall when Coke came in 7oz bottles... 2 liters is pretty standard these days.

Check again. Haven't seen 2 liters in quite some time. They are 1.5 liters now.


Originally Posted by spinnaker (Post 20498117)
Where have you been for the past 10 or 20 years? stuff like this has been going on for a while now. I recall it started with coffee. Same sized container but less product inside.

Oh and the quarter pounder does not weigh a quarter pound and the one foot Subway isn't really a foot. Sorry to burst your bubble. ;)

You normally can't fake a specific measurement. Quarter pound burgers are weighed to a quarter pound before cooking. After the fats melt and run off, it's going to weigh less.

Subway on the other hand have figured out to fake length indeed. GetGo is a convenience store with sandwich shop around here. Their 7 inch sandwiches are longer than Subway's foot longs. Twice the amount of meat as well. Subway is way skimpy on the meat.

The bigger problem is with recipes that specify a certain traditional "standard" size of something. Example, baking something with condensed milk and eggs. You can't exactly easily cut the recipe down to use 1 2/3 eggs instead of 2 eggs because the can of evaporated milk use to be the standard 12 ounces and it's now 10 ounces.

I also do prefer my toilet paper width to cover more than 2 fingers like it use to. Unlike noisebeam, I and my 2 daughters really wouldn't enjoy sharing the family cloth and prefer toilet paper.

Rollfast 08-11-18 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by mrodgers (Post 20500099)
Check again. Haven't seen 2 liters in quite some time. They are 1.5 liters now.

Shasta is 2.5 liters and way out west a 2 liter is still a 2 liter, it just costs $$$.

Social Security COLA is the worst though.

canklecat 08-11-18 03:37 AM

Manufacturers have given various reasons and excuses for downsizing.

At first they claimed it was to suit consumers' expectations of quality at a certain price point, regardless of quantity. So coffee went from one pound packages to 12 ounces. Then 11 oz. Then occasionally 10.5 oz.

Then they claimed it was to standardize packing to suit the needs of retailers. But meatspace shelves and displays are versatile enough to accommodate many sizes and shapes. So coffee sellers began fudging the quantities downward.

For awhile, about 20something years ago, Community Coffee was the last to offer coffee in full 16 ounce, one pound containers. And they boasted they always would.

Soon they downsized too.

It's all a lie.

At some point it's no longer cost effective overall. Sure, it may be cheaper for consumers. Often the larger bags of coffee cost more per ounce than the smaller bags, due to economy of scale. But as quantities shrink the manufacturers are being more wasteful with packaging. At some point the cheaper price we pay carries a higher cost in environmental impact. Keurig K-Cups inventor is a classic contemporary example -- in 2015 he said he regretted ever developing the environmentally wasteful things.

I don't care anymore. I have some brand preferences but no loyalty. Same reason I don't care about sports teams anymore -- zero loyalty to fans, so it's appropriate to reciprocate.

For anything I buy I have at least two alternatives that are acceptable. I'm picky about coffee and won't drink bad coffee. I'd rather economize by drinking less than compromising on flavor. It doesn't need to be expensive to be better than Folgers, Maxwell House or almost anything in a can. So I buy whatever happens to have the best discount that week. Sometimes it's Gevalia (love the flavor, but it clogs my French press because they use a fine grind). Sometimes Seattle's Best. Sometimes it's Braum's (darned good for $5-$6). Sometimes I'll buy whatever whole bean coffee is on sale because it's usually better anyway and I can grind it to my liking for a French press.

***
"I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad." --Bond. James Bond

Colnago Mixte 08-11-18 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by KraneXL (Post 20499922)
This isn't about pricing, we all realize food -- and everything else -- is getting more expensive. The point is truth in advertising and deceptive marketing practices. I have no idea how long it was before I noticed I was paying for a 4lb bag of sugar instead of 5 lb bag. Do you know when it changed?

And its also about things such as maintaining the pint sized container on the outside while cleverly raising the bottom to reduced the amount of contents on the inside. As someone pointed out, you're not getting a pint (16oz) of ice cream anymore e.g., Haagen-Dazs. Same with cereal -- as if it wasn't already expensive enough. Same height and width when you view it on the shelf, but a lot thinner box in depth.

Most of our lives we've come to expect products in standard sizes but we're getting all kinds of odd measurements lately: 9.5oz instead of 12oz. Or 40oz rather than 48oz. Worst thing is, most of this are from top brands we've come to know and trust.

When you've been buying a product for years does it just happen to occur to you that you might be getting less product in the same size container? Maybe it does now, but I doubt most people check for something like that. That's what make it so insidious. Its like adopting the tactics you'd expect from a used car salesman.

You should be furious at what's happening, and these manufactures for this type of practice. Especially if you've been a loyal purchaser for years. They are quick to advertise when you're getting more i.e., 10% more for the same price. But have you ever seen a single item that informs you when you're getting less than normal?

At least we can now see why we have all the laws and restrictions we do. This should remind us how quickly even the major name brand manufactures will use clandestine methods like modified packaging to cheat their loyal customers. And the fact that they can slip behind a "fine print" type technicality, makes it even worse.

These companies are owned by shareholders that demand an ever-increasing profit margin. One year they will lay a bunch of people off to increase profits, the next year they'll cut benefits for remaining employees, the year after that they'll reduce the amount of product the consumer gets, and the following year, who knows? Maybe start adulterating the product with some cheaper substance to bring the cost of manufacturing down, or moving operations to China. These people are relentless in their profit-seeking, and their greed in part in keeps companies efficient, but it their chiseling ways become too obvious to the consumer, people will stop buying the product.

FBOATSB 08-11-18 09:36 AM

Can't look at post 14 without busting out.

What I like is the label disclaimer on most all cardboard boxed stuff along the lines of "This product is sold by weight, not by volume, and some settling may occur during shipment". How I translate that is: "In the interest of profit this box is filled half full so the other guy can buy another half full box, doubling our profit".

I-Like-To-Bike 08-12-18 10:03 AM

Whaa, Whaa, Whaa! Too dumb or lazy to read the label; boo darn hoo! :lol:

FBOATSB 08-12-18 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 20502037)
Whaa, Whaa, Whaa! Too dumb or lazy to read the label; boo darn hoo! :lol:

Exactly. I read the label on everything. Ingredients, nutrition info, unit weight, where it comes from, etc. How could you not?? No amount of Gov. regs could ever reduce the concept of caveat emptor.


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