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Old 09-10-18, 02:51 PM
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Karmic Quandary

It's kind of complicated so bear with me. At the break room vending machine, I had purchased a rectangular shaped cookie-type bar. On dispensing, it wound up absurdly balanced on one edge, between items and would not fall from my gentle impacts to the machine. Since I really wanted it, I selected another item directly above it, as high as possible, intending it to drop and dislodge my desired item. Specifically, "horseradish cheddar chips". It all went according to plan, both items falling to the output tray at the bottom.


But at that point, the machine rejected my dollar and, to make matters worse, dropped 15 cents change. I'm sure you've been faced with this before, the machine has given you extra. If you leave it, someone will say "oh a Dollar, lucky me" and take it. If you try to return it, the time and processing will likely cost the vendor more than a dollar. So you keep it. It was briefly promising subsequently when a co-worker was scanning the machine, and realized that he hadn't brought a dollar so I attempted to foist it on him to discharge my karmic debt, but he refused because nothing looked appetizing after all Then I remembered the horseradish cheddar chips which I had also retained (of course I would not want to consume them) and, on relaying my unfortunate predicament he was persuaded to accept them. He wanted to at least try one, because of the weirdness I think, My karmic debt was thereby in part passed along, since I had at least not profited by consumption.


As you can imagine one chip was enough (too much), so we impressed upon other coworkers in the vicinity to test their own taste. To a person, even those who professed to like horseradish, no one would accept the entire bag. I think, because of the multiple exposures to the product, that the vendor gained equivalent value from the product sample, and the $1 cost for everyone's efforts. Furthermore a refund for something that terrible is not inappropriate, even though it was before the fact. So that's settled in my mind, and the universe feels in balance in that regard.


BUT, what of the extra 15 cents? I can see no justification for keeping the change for a dollar not spent. Would it be sufficient to retain it, for use of a future purchase from the machine? Or are you better off getting rid of the tainted money?
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Old 09-10-18, 02:58 PM
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The only way to repay this karmic debt is to give the snacks to the poor, give the 15 cents to the CEO of the vending machine company, tweet a non-apology, and commit yourself to prison for poisoning poor people with unhealthy snacks. It's the American way.
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Old 09-10-18, 03:07 PM
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Somewhere on this planet someone hasn't eaten for days, someone is in slavery, someone's house is getting bombed, etc,, I doubt karma is bothered to be worried about 15 cents.
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Old 09-10-18, 03:12 PM
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I am rather surprised that you dedicated so much thought and time to this $.15

Any vending company takes losses like that into consideration. If you had any idea at all of the BAGS of money that vending companies like this make you wouldn't have concerned yourself with it.
No, seriously talking like truck loads of cash profit made with almost no tracking or validation of the profits. They are likely laundering money in association with Marty Byrd.
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Old 09-10-18, 03:37 PM
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It doesn't matter to me how much profit the vending machine company makes, because the question is how to dispose of the cash that I have but don't rightfully own. Where it came from, that sounds like a rationalization to me. Maybe I'll just leave it somewhere where someone who would appreciate it might pick it up.
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Old 09-10-18, 03:49 PM
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Burn in Hell!!! ...jk
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Old 09-10-18, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
It doesn't matter to me how much profit the vending machine company makes, because the question is how to dispose of the cash that I have but don't rightfully own. Where it came from, that sounds like a rationalization to me. Maybe I'll just leave it somewhere where someone who would appreciate it might pick it up.
Wait around in the breakroom for a patron that is just short of change... and foist the karmic 15 cents on them. This may take a while... but cosmic balance is worth doing right.
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The stuff balances out naturally over time. If you try to force it, it will disrupt that natural process.
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Old 09-10-18, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
It doesn't matter to me how much profit the vending machine company makes, because the question is how to dispose of the cash that I have but don't rightfully own. Where it came from, that sounds like a rationalization to me. Maybe I'll just leave it somewhere where someone who would appreciate it might pick it up.
Retain the fifteen cents until the holidays when the Salvation Army collects. Deposit said money with an appropriate additional amount into their red kettle. It's my opinion that you will be on the "upside" with karma.
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Assuming you are not a vegetarian, fifteen cents pales in comparison to the suffering of the tens of thousands of innocent animals slaughtered on your behalf to provide meat, a substance which the human body can easily do without.

I urge everyone to visit a slaughterhouse at least once, but I can't even convince people to watch the few YouTube videos that exist of this horrific spectacle, which illegal to even photograph in many states.

FWIW, I'm a meat eater, but all the suffering and death bothers me greatly sometimes when I think about it for too long. I've been to a slaughterhouse and I will never forget it.
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Old 09-10-18, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair 4 View Post
Retain the fifteen cents until the holidays when the Salvation Army collects. Deposit said money with an appropriate additional amount into their red kettle. It's my opinion that you will be on the "upside" with karma.
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Old 09-10-18, 05:06 PM
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I once broke the tollgate while going to work early one morning. I'd thrown in a bunch of change and didn't realize the gate was taking longer than usual to go up before shearing it off, having it end up in a pile of similar broken gates. I called the tollway about it and was emphatically told it cost more for them to process a check for the $6 the gate cost than $6.00 and to not worry about it. I'm sure I didn't put the $6 in a Salvation Army Kettle, but I've organized and participated in enough bell ringing sessions for them to have paid that karmic debt of years ago.
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Old 09-10-18, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
It doesn't matter to me how much profit the vending machine company makes, because the question is how to dispose of the cash that I have but don't rightfully own. Where it came from, that sounds like a rationalization to me. Maybe I'll just leave it somewhere where someone who would appreciate it might pick it up.
What you experienced was "instant Karma". Your rightful snack didn't come down. The second snack that you actually didn't want came down, dislodged it, and the offending machine gave your needlessly spent dollar back. You were already in the good, obviously or it would have kept it altogether.
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Old 09-10-18, 07:01 PM
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Interactions with mechanical devices don't play by the same cosmic rules. You win some, you lose some, it all evens out in the end. The are no instant karmic implications arising from any given transaction.
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Old 09-10-18, 07:18 PM
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Interactions with mechanical devices don't play by the same cosmic rules. You win some, you lose some, it all evens out in the end. The are no instant karmic implications arising from any given transaction.
Here's why I don't believe that's true. Suppose instead of a dollar vending it was an ATM. It spits out several hundred dollars, that aren't really yours. That one is pretty clear: you have to go to the bank and return that cash. Keeping it, you could suffer not only karmic but also criminal penalties. So its the same situation, a monetary interaction with a machine, but scaled down to the vending machine level. The big difference is that the ATM knows who you are, and the vending machine doesn't. I think that the same cosmic rules apply, either way.

Ethically, we should not be tempted more by $500 than by $1. It's either wrong to take it, or it's not, regardless of the amount. So even with 15 cents, it needs to be made right somehow. The obvious solution is to wait for the guy that replenishes the machine, and hand him a dollar, but then you'd be relying on his right action which may be a stretch. Mainly, if he puts it in the till then OK but if not - the problem is then compounded. Perhaps karma is impelling the dollar, or the fifteen cents, onward where it can be multiplied by passing through other hands.
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Old 09-11-18, 04:32 AM
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Maybe I'll just leave it somewhere where someone who would appreciate it might pick it up.
Yep, do that. I do this all the time with change because I really don't like carrying change around. So if I will frequently leave a stack of coins on a ledge or some obvious spot outside or just inside a grocery store for example. I figure it makes somebody happy when they find it - and maybe even need it - and I don't have to carrry it around. Win-win.

And I don't believe in Karma. Look around at the state of the world and tell me there's Karma. If there is, then it's true she is a beotch...just not in the way people use that phrase all the time.
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Old 09-11-18, 04:33 AM
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I found a soggy dollar bill at the bus stop the other day. Whoever dropped it probably really needed that dollar. But there was nobody else around.

No problem. Eventually that dollar will find its way to someone else who needs it that day.

But if anyone shows up with a quarter and an attitude, flipping it and saying "Call it, friendo," he's gonna get punched in the nose.
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Old 09-11-18, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Yep, do that. I do this all the time with change because I really don't like carrying change around. So if I will frequently leave a stack of coins on a ledge or some obvious spot outside or just inside a grocery store for example. I figure it makes somebody happy when they find it - and maybe even need it - and I don't have to carrry it around. Win-win.
That's what I was thinking. Near generic budget items, so that the shoplifters don't get it.

And I don't believe in Karma. Look around at the state of the world and tell me there's Karma. If there is, then it's true she is a beotch...just not in the way people use that phrase all the time.
I don't think we score it that way.
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