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Old 09-16-18, 09:49 AM
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thats my new rule well still love ya all at foo but offline liveing in this town has took so much out of me. if you dont think its bad come and ride ya bike on these streets. you will have stuff thrown at ya people swerve into you to scare you etc etc
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I can certainly relate. Which state are you in? There are some states with much nicer people, on average, than others (not Texas).

I had people there trying to run me down while walking across parking lots. Those people have a mean streak a mile wide!
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im in north ga its so bad i only see a person ona bike every other week or so
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i also had 2 times not one time a car hit my bike both times they didnt even stop.
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I think that hot weather makes people meaner, on average, than people that live in places where it's not unbearably hot every day for months at a time. Have you considered living someplace cooler like Michigan or Washington state? Or Alaska?
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i also had 2 times not one time a car hit my bike both times they didnt even stop.
Had that happen once on my bike, and once in my car. That's why I use a camera these days.
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yeah the heat is aweful but in florida they was way more bike friendly and in Cleveland ohio it was awesume. i think pretty much here they hate bikers.
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I've heard that theory that hot weather makes people meaner. And the daily infotainment media reports about the latest antics of the subhuman species known as Floridaman seems to confirm the connection between heat, humidity and stupidity.

And I've dabbled in the theory of geographic determinism, that the land dictates how societies behave. Even when entire demographics are replaced by an invading demographic -- as when Native Americans were replaced by Europeans and their baggage -- eventually the new demographic seems to behave pretty much the same way. We have more permanent structures and infrastructure, more trappings of sophisticated society, but we're still basically repeating the same tribalism and warfare as the peoples we replaced.

But in reality I'm not sure that's an accurate or adequate theory. I've lived and worked all over the US and people are about the same all over, regardless of climate or season. It's more nurture than nature, more a factor of societal expectations and choices.

For example, as a cyclist and pedestrian I've experienced many close calls. I've nearly been hit twice the past week, both walking and riding, by overtly hostile drivers who knew what they were doing. And I was hit by a car while riding my bike in the spring -- I'm still recovering from a painful shoulder injury. In that case the driver was probably using her cell phone -- she was quoted on the police report as being "distracted". So while that driver wasn't overtly hostile, she showed an indifference to the consequences of her choices, because it wouldn't hurt her or her loved ones personally.

The reason why the US is so dangerous to cyclists and pedestrians (who die in far greater numbers than cyclists) is because our societal expectations are so low. We dole out driving licenses like Halloween candy, and take them away less often that parents take candy away from kids after Halloween. We're conditioned to regard unimpeded fast, reckless driving as a right, superior to all other rights. We regard our personal convenience as superior to human life. There are few or no consequences for reckless behavior.

Invariably this feeds into our tribal nature. Drivers develop a driver-tribe attitude, like the invading Europeans. Inside the armored metal cocoon, drivers begin to regard pedestrians and cyclists as filthy savages competing for scarce resources, a sweating, stinking sub-species to be segregated at best, and exterminated at worst.

I've often thought that the single most influential societal change the US could make would be to require more intensive driver education and more scrutiny afterward. Nobody should receive a license if they cannot safely and competently drive the vehicle they're in. So if they buy or rent a new vehicle they must demonstrate competence to operate that vehicle. It's not enough to get a license while driving a compact car with automatic transmission, if the same driver can then buy a full sized SUV or rent a panel van for moving without having demonstrated competence to operate those vehicles.

Every day I see freighter-drivers, people in compact cars who swing wide as if they were operating a gigantic ocean tanker that needs miles of arc to make a turn, and cannot brake to slow down for anything else in the road. When you see how many drivers swing wide into oncoming traffic, cannot parallel park, cannot seem to life pressure off the go pedal -- let alone apply pressure to the stop pedal -- it's apparent that drivers education is inadequate.

This leads to an overall societal attitude of selfishness, indifference and disregard for consequences. The easier it is to get a car and drive recklessly, the more polarized we become as a society, and the farther we get from our vaunted values of individual responsibility. We value our personal rights over personal responsibility.

I'm betting future generations will bring the US back to sanity because AI vehicles will curb our selfish impulses. With engineered constraints, as with good parental influences, Americans will have fewer opportunities to behave recklessly and enjoy no consequences for bad behavior. This will gradually nurture a saner society.

I, for one, welcome our robotic vehicular overlords.
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Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
yeah the heat is aweful but in florida they was way more bike friendly and in Cleveland ohio it was awesume. i think pretty much here they hate bikers.
That sucks, have you thought about riding mtb trails?
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yeah the heat is aweful but in florida they was way more bike friendly
Florida has the highest rate of cyclist deaths my motor vehicle. California has a greater overall number, but the rate is lower.
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