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Old 10-02-18, 03:32 PM
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dogs vs cats

as much as i love the strays cats i kinda can tell they only are here for the food.but every dog i owned i knew it just loved me. plus a good dog earns its keep. keep the bad people out of my home when i was not home
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I was watching, by accident, some show on an outlying cable TV channel, called "Drugs Inc" (I think); it was a documentary following around people who dealt with illicit drugs on a daily basis, either buying, selling, and/or using them. Brilliant show.

Anyway... a guy was looking to break into a house to steal something he could sell quickly so he could get some cash to buy drugs - crack cocaine, IIRC, though that's not important. He came up to a house that looked empty; when he got to the chain-link fence, the neighbor's little dog (a Westie terrier, or bijon-frise poodle, or similar) started barking it's head off, he immediately retreated and moved on, saying to the guy with the camera, "too much noise, let's go somewhere else".

That sold it for me (though I didn't need any convincing). My lab-mix has a nice deep bark she unloads on anyone that comes to the door. I've seen people take steps back when they hear it, and it is very reassuring. Dogs protect their patch; cats do not. Dogs are the best.
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post
I was watching, by accident, some show on an outlying cable TV channel, called "Drugs Inc" (I think); it was a documentary following around people who dealt with illicit drugs on a daily basis, either buying, selling, and/or using them. Brilliant show.

Anyway... a guy was looking to break into a house to steal something he could sell quickly so he could get some cash to buy drugs - crack cocaine, IIRC, though that's not important. He came up to a house that looked empty; when he got to the chain-link fence, the neighbor's little dog (a Westie terrier, or bijon-frise poodle, or similar) started barking it's head off, he immediately retreated and moved on, saying to the guy with the camera, "too much noise, let's go somewhere else".

That sold it for me (though I didn't need any convincing). My lab-mix has a nice deep bark she unloads on anyone that comes to the door. I've seen people take steps back when they hear it, and it is very reassuring. Dogs protect their patch; cats do not. Dogs are the best.

Meh. For every ONE time it works there are the 99 times that the stupid neighbours dog barks its head off at your INVITED guests and wakes up the neighbourhood.
Personally I want a more discerning alarm.

Dogs are more dependant. Cats are more independent. It can swing both ways as dogs are more likely to go psycho if left home alone. Cats are MUCH happier to be left alone while your at work than dogs are.
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plus a good dog earns its keep. keep the bad people out of my home when i was not home
How do you know what the dog is doing when you are not at home?
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Dogs are too much like people. 99% of them are useless outside of making noise, eating, and crapping everywhere. The only dog that will actually protect anything is the one that was trained to do so.

Which is not to say some dogs can't be excellent companions. Just don't oversell them. I've never been a dog person-- they're too clingy... and just too loud.

I don't know if I'm a cat person either. I had a big fat tabby for over 15 years, and when he died I would have been content to be pet-free for awhile. But the kids were I think 5 and 7 at the time, so that wasn't happening.

So we of course got another cat, and she is very catlike. Quiet, aloof, spends ~18 hours a day outside. But boy can she murder. We don't have mice, rats, snakes, squirrels, pigeons, nothing. Probably a kill a day.

Also absolutely refuses to poop indoors. Already 8 years old, that one. The kids still bug me about getting a dog every once in awhile. I have no desire to take care of a dog. I see dogs that are in fenced yards, wearing a track in the dirt, and think-- no wonder it just barks. It's just bored.

I mean, I didn't really want the cat. I mean, she's fine. But I feel like I had "my pet." No replacements.
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How do you know what the dog is doing when you are not at home?
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Sure cats can be a little aloof but its overblown a little. Unlike dogs that are mostly happy to be patted by anyone, cats would rather get to know you first at their own speed. Once a cat knows you than can be very affectionate yet sometimes they may only bond with one person.

Some dogs can be pretty fickle with people as well.
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I prefer the company of dogs, especially my dogs, over 99% of humans. Never been betrayed by a dog, never been screwed over by a dog, and, except for the occassional missing shoe, never had a dog steal from me.

Yep, I take dogs over humans 99% of the time.
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I love my two morons ... but they are not security (I have a security system for that job). A couple year's ago, the one on his back got me locked out of the house. Thankfully, I had my phone and was able to get a lock smith (AKA a thief you pay to brake into your house), The other dog was inside the house and met the lock smith at the door with his tail wagging.

OTOH the dogs scared the crap out of an second-rate delivery guy who opened the gate on our privacy fence. The delivery guy through the package into the yard and slammed the gate. And the best part, it wasn't our package. (footnote - never work with Soldier Delivery/Trucking)



I wish I had a good cat around the house, the best mouse trap ever.
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Dogs aren't allowed to run loose, why do people think it's ok to allow their cats to run free? Pooping in neighbors gardens and killing NATIVE wildlife. When I see them in my yard, they get chased out as I throw rocks at them. Thankfully our population of coyotes seems to keep them to a minimum. If I had a specific cat return to my yard regularly I'd have no problem taking increased measures to eliminate the uninvited intruder.
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Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post

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Why do you need a security system if you have the dog?
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Having had my house robbed once, I think my Choc Lab helped carry stuff out to his truck lol. If it were another dog breaking in sure he would have stopped that but a human, nah just come in and pet me lol.

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I prefer the company of dogs, especially my dogs, over 99% of humans. Never been betrayed by a dog, never been screwed over by a dog, and, except for the occassional missing shoe, never had a dog steal from me.

Yep, I take dogs over humans 99% of the time.
They know how to keep secrets. They'll never rat you out. If you're telling a story, you don't have to worry about the dog interrupting and saying, "that's not the way I remember it." When you get dressed to go out, the dog will never say, "you're wearing that?" What do they say in Washington? "If you want a friend in this town, get a dog."
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Dogs aren't allowed to run loose, why do people think it's ok to allow their cats to run free? Pooping in neighbors gardens and killing NATIVE wildlife. When I see them in my yard, they get chased out as I throw rocks at them. Thankfully our population of coyotes seems to keep them to a minimum. If I had a specific cat return to my yard regularly I'd have no problem taking increased measures to eliminate the uninvited intruder.
You know that they'll target your yard now just to annoy you, right?
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I had a good cat around the house, the best mouse trap ever.
Yep. Was awakened one night by what I thought was someone trying to break into the house. Turned out to be my big boy having fun with his short-lived friend. The rug by the front door was mussed up, and my floor pump in another area of the first floor was on its side, so he must have been chasing it around the place.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Why do you need a security system if you have the dog?
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Having had my house robbed once, I think my Choc Lab helped carry stuff out to his truck lol. If it were another dog breaking in sure he would have stopped that but a human, nah just come in and pet me lol.
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My dogs are pets. Unless you have a trained guard dog, dogs are not security. Most dogs little better than the car alarm going off ... everybody ignores it.
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My dogs are pets. Unless you have a trained guard dog, dogs are not security. Most dogs little better than the car alarm going off ... everybody ignores it.
But the OP wrote that his dog keeps the bad people away when he's not home.
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But the OP wrote that his dog keeps the bad people away when he's not home.
In my 20 years of dog ownership, dogs are only marginally better security than closing & locking doors. But there is a placebo effect of dogs protecting your home; and that peace of mind effect is worth it (I know it works for Lisa when I'm traveling)
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Dogs aren't allowed to run loose, why do people think it's ok to allow their cats to run free? Pooping in neighbors gardens and killing NATIVE wildlife. When I see them in my yard, they get chased out as I throw rocks at them. Thankfully our population of coyotes seems to keep them to a minimum. If I had a specific cat return to my yard regularly I'd have no problem taking increased measures to eliminate the uninvited intruder.
I see your dilemma, I am just not into needlessly harming animals...even if they are a PITA.,
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They know how to keep secrets. They'll never rat you out. If you're telling a story, you don't have to worry about the dog interrupting and saying, "that's not the way I remember it." When you get dressed to go out, the dog will never say, "you're wearing that?" What do they say in Washington? "If you want a friend in this town, get a dog."
And should I ever be nominated to the US Supreme Court, I am confident that my dogs will not be contacting the FBI.
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A dog sleeping next to your bed might hear subtle sounds and alert you. My Aussie-Lab would. My labradoodle would likely sleep right through. A cat alert you to someone trying to break in? Bahahaha! Even a Yorkie might be more useful in that scenario.

I also agree that dogs are far more noble respectable loyal than most humans...except maybe the ones that eat sofas.
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A dog sleeping next to your bed might hear subtle sounds and alert you. My Aussie-Lab would. My labradoodle would likely sleep right through. A cat alert you to someone trying to break in? Bahahaha! Even a Yorkie might be more useful in that scenario.

I also agree that dogs are far more noble respectable loyal than most humans...except maybe the ones that eat sofas.
Oh man, if a friend comes over and eats my sofa, it's over.
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Oh man, if a friend comes over and eats my sofa, it's over.
Lmao

Just shove his head into the hole he made in your couch and beat his butt relentlessly.

Then leave him outside for a few days. Then maybe he'll not eat your furniture.
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Wait what...none of you are BI and have both???
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I see your dilemma, I am just not into needlessly harming animals...even if they are a PITA.,
It's not really a dilemma for me, as it's not often an issue on my property. I too am not one to actually harm any animals... but then again, disposing of one cat could reduce the suffering of hundreds, even thousands of innocent animals! (At least one murder per day, right?)

But I've read about others who have a serious problem with cats on their property who may not hesitate to take matters into their own hands.

My wife and I have always had a dog, and yes they will sound the alarm if anyone attempts to come near. Works for us.

We've never had a cat, but I'm sure we'd learn to love one if we did. It would never be allowed to roam loose though, not only because it's irresponsible to others in the neiborhood, but because lots of bad things could happen to it.
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