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Old 11-17-18, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
I drink gas station coffee. I'm not picky.
If I got a hold of hot water and a cup, then I would have kept a jar of instant coffee or one of those Starbucks instant coffee in those dispensable packs. Now, to convince the gas station convenience store to give me some hot water for free!
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Old 11-17-18, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
I drink gas station coffee. I'm not picky.
that ain't saying much these days downunder most petrol stations are a convenience store too or some 7-Elevens sell petrol... and most of them have a fully automatic coffee machine that grinds real beans fresh & steams fresh milk - ain't much different to a McCafe

Some even sell as cheap as $1 per cup (McCafe cuppa is about $4)
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Old 11-17-18, 06:39 PM
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Freezing beans works pretty well-- pulling a tall black from defrosted beans in a hopper for ~5 days or so, and getingt this kind of crema... that's the definition of, 'fresh.'
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Old 11-17-18, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
If I got a hold of hot water and a cup, then I would have kept a jar of instant coffee or one of those Starbucks instant coffee in those dispensable packs. Now, to convince the gas station convenience store to give me some hot water for free!
At one time there was a coffee maker that put coffee into tea bags. That was a close to drinkable instant coffee I've ever been able to tolerate. In a pinch I'd prefer tea to instant coffee.
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Old 11-17-18, 08:24 PM
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At one time there was a coffee maker that put coffee into tea bags. That was a close to drinkable instant coffee I've ever been able to tolerate. In a pinch I'd prefer tea to instant coffee.
Folgers (I know, I know) still makes coffee singles, which use the tea bags. (checks amazon real quick) I guess Maxwell House does too.
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Shortly after my dad retired in the late 80's and started spending out inheritance on traveling (something we all approved of, he got such a kick out of telling us they were spending more of the inheritance on another trip) I found a travel coffee maker that they took with them. It worked great, made them happy and worked for several years until motels started offering coffee makers in the rooms.
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Old 11-19-18, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
I drink gas station coffee. I'm not picky.
I do too, when in Italy. It's been a few years, but you could get a shot of espresso, miles better than Starbucks, in a proper cup with a saucer, for 1 Euro.
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thread hijack ??? could the collective recommend a good/best grinder or two? Espresso only for me. None of the store bought grinds seem fine enough. The Illy one seems to be the best, but I'm expecting if I grind fine and just before it should be better. I'm thinking single shot grinder like I see in Europe where the proper amount just drops into the cup, perhaps with an integral tamp, perhaps a manual tamp, and then right into the espresso machine.
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Old 11-21-18, 06:51 PM
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thread hijack ??? could the collective recommend a good/best grinder or two? Espresso only for me. None of the store bought grinds seem fine enough. The Illy one seems to be the best, but I'm expecting if I grind fine and just before it should be better. I'm thinking single shot grinder like I see in Europe where the proper amount just drops into the cup, perhaps with an integral tamp, perhaps a manual tamp, and then right into the espresso machine.
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Bud View Post
thread hijack ??? could the collective recommend a good/best grinder or two? Espresso only for me. None of the store bought grinds seem fine enough. The Illy one seems to be the best, but I'm expecting if I grind fine and just before it should be better. I'm thinking single shot grinder like I see in Europe where the proper amount just drops into the cup, perhaps with an integral tamp, perhaps a manual tamp, and then right into the espresso machine.
What's your budget? An espresso-worthy grinder will be $350 on up for an electric. There are some very good manual grinders for a bit less. Macao, Mazzer, Ceado, Eureka, Baratza are all good names in grinders for espresso.
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I can find $350. How much time and effort with a non-electric? I can be very lazy and unwilling before espresso so probably electric is for me.
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You don't need to spend a lot for a grinder. It just take a bit of practice to get the grounds consistency right. Some brands have markings i.e. course, medium, fine, etc. that can get you in the ball park.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
You don't need to spend a lot for a grinder. It just take a bit of practice to get the grounds consistency right. Some brands have markings i.e. course, medium, fine, etc. that can get you in the ball park.
For espresso? The grinder is very important for espresso.
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Bud View Post
thread hijack ??? could the collective recommend a good/best grinder or two? Espresso only for me. None of the store bought grinds seem fine enough. The Illy one seems to be the best, but I'm expecting if I grind fine and just before it should be better. I'm thinking single shot grinder like I see in Europe where the proper amount just drops into the cup, perhaps with an integral tamp, perhaps a manual tamp, and then right into the espresso machine.
Grind fineness & your tamping skills are both ways to adjust your shot's pull.

Plenty of good burr grinders out there, from high end fancy names (Mazzer, Rancilio etc) to the whitegoods brands (Sunbeam etc)... all depends what you want (some might need tweaking) & how much benchspace you can afford (me, nil my grinder needs to be portable & gets put away every time).

Or if you haven't got any existing espresso setup already... a fully automatic machine like Saeco does a decent job too. No need to grind, tamp or manually pull.
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Plenty of bench space. I tend to tamp quite firmly. Already have a DeLonghi manual machine so thinking to work on grinder next in lieu of all-in-one.
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Bud View Post
Plenty of bench space. I tend to tamp quite firmly.
30lbs of pressure is the rule-of-thumb starting point for tamping, but you can finesse it a little depending. If you need to tamp wildly out of this range, there's probably something wrong elsewhere, like the uniformity and fineness of your grind (this is where stepless grinders are nice - very fine adjustments), the quality of your beans, etc.

In the range that you mention, I'd look at something like a Rocky grinder.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
For espresso? The grinder is very important for espresso.

I could use my sub $20 grinder and put it next to your $200 plus burr grinder and in a side by side taste test doubt very seriously you could tell the difference.


On the other hand, there is no denying the uniformity, consistency, easy of measurement, easy clean-up, and decor that makes a much more expensive set it and forget it, perfect grounds every time, coffee grinder well worth the money.


For the record, I used to drink coffee every day but now I cut back to once a week. I'm not saying that the better grinders aren't useful, just that they may not always be worth the cost for every person's needs.
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I could use my sub $20 grinder and put it next to your $200 plus burr grinder and in a side by side taste test doubt very seriously you could tell the difference.
For espresso? Lol. You know not of what you speak. I will disregard any further commentary from you on the subject.

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For espresso? Lol. You know not of what you speak. I will disregard any further commentary from you on the subject.

Have a good Thanksgiving!
You are free to accept or deny any advice or suggestions you so chose. However, after 30 years of feeding people and making thousands of espressos, I'm pretty confident in my claims.
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Speaking of the viability of cheap grinders, I just noticed that on my salt grinder



The adjuster on the the bottom is imprinted "burr size" or something like that. Certainly the word 'burr'.

What if I dumped out that salt, rinsed and dried it real good, and tried it for coffee? Any speculation on the chance for success? In my case I want a grind towards the coarser end for my metal-mesh filter and melitta over-cup filter holder.
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Speaking of the viability of cheap grinders, I just noticed that on my salt grinder



The adjuster on the the bottom is imprinted "burr size" or something like that. Certainly the word 'burr'.

What if I dumped out that salt, rinsed and dried it real good, and tried it for coffee? Any speculation on the chance for success? In my case I want a grind towards the coarser end for my metal-mesh filter and melitta over-cup filter holder.
So, burrs are two opposing plates, one fixed, one rotating. Material enters in the middle and gets progressively ground down as it moves towards and exits at the outside of the plates. You would have two problems with what you propose:

The beans are way too large to enter between these dinky plates in the first place - they're sized with peppercorns in mind

The plates in these disposable grinders are typically plastic - they aren't designed with longevity in mind. Look at the volume of the bottle and it'll give you an idea of designed lifespan - it'd be less than a week's worth of coffee.

If you want a hand grinder, go to Williams Sonoma or some other kitchen shop and pick one up. That or look at online shops like wholelattelove.com
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Since the thread was bumped, might as well adorn the thread with some coffee grind pron



And the the results -

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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
So, burrs are two opposing plates, one fixed, one rotating. Material enters in the middle and gets progressively ground down as it moves towards and exits at the outside of the plates. You would have two problems with what you propose:

The beans are way too large to enter between these dinky plates in the first place - they're sized with peppercorns in mind

The plates in these disposable grinders are typically plastic - they aren't designed with longevity in mind. Look at the volume of the bottle and it'll give you an idea of designed lifespan - it'd be less than a week's worth of coffee.

If you want a hand grinder, go to Williams Sonoma or some other kitchen shop and pick one up. That or look at online shops like wholelattelove.com
Cool thx. I was only thinking of grind size, taking bean size into account makes clear this is a no-go.
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
Cool thx. I was only thinking of grind size, taking bean size into account makes clear this is a no-go.
I agree with WhyFi. With cheap grinders, you get what you pay for. And that is a product with too many plastic components to last...if they're even able to do a decent job when they're brand new. The Breville Smart Pro is a good example. It'll do fine for a year or so, depending on how much it is used. After that, all bets are off...too much plastic. Note: Grinding for espresso is far more demanding than for other brew methods. If only brewing for drip or pour-over, a grinder like the aforementioned Breville might do well for many years.

Some espresso-worthy hand grinders that I've heard good things about are the Kinu M47, Commondante, Lido E, Pharos, and [from personal experience] the Apollo (three color choices)...https://www.bplus.biz/products/apoll...l-hand-grinder Yes, I am biased on the latter. But there are no plastic bits in the works. CNC alum body, stainless steel innards. FWIW, a good hand grinder is gonna be upwards of $200. The Apollo is worth every penny.

I also use a Eureka Mignon electric grinder for espresso. It's shorter than many others, and comparatively affordable too. A good durable electric will be upwards of $400, like my Eureka.

Some grinders are stepless, like my Eureka. Some are stepped, like my Apollo. Both can work fine. Like with a bicycle that has more noticeable jumps between gear ratios, so too do some stepped grinders. One trick to deal with this is to tweak the dosage up or down a little (a few tenths of a gram) by weighing to the nearest 0.1g. Some espresso machines are not fussy in this regard. This is too putzy for some folks. So pick your battles and enjoy
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