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Old 01-15-19, 06:44 AM
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Well, here's something that might be having an effect re "what's happening to Apple..." I doubt the iphone fanbois are following this, but investors probably are... the Apple / Qualcomm lawsuit.

Apparently the iphoneX doesn't use the Q chipset...
Apple says it wanted to use Qualcomm modems in the iPhone XS, XS Max, and XR — but that Qualcomm refused to sell them after Apple sued over its licensing practices.

​It only turned to Intel to supply all the modems after Qualcomm refused to sell.​​​​​​
Now here is where it gets real interesting...
Intel’s LTE modems are known to be slower than Qualcomm’s, too. Back when Apple was sourcing both Qualcomm and Intel modems for its phones at the same time, the company had to cap the speeds on Qualcomm modems so that one iPhone wouldn’t have faster speeds than another.
All this is over license fees and a chip that costs Apple about $7.50.

I believe the latest iphones cost consumers quite a bit more than that... seems like there should have been margin for that Q chip built into that much higher phone price.

So in essence... the latest iphones are inferior to earlier models... ie, a "Cadillac" with vinyl seats instead of leather.

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I've been into photography for decades and have my share of vintage cameras. However, current cell phone camera technology is nothing to sneeze at. I've seen some stunning images made with them.
But can they take stunning shots of, for example, something like an in-flight raptor? I've seen plenty of amazing birding photos on FB. Hummingbirds in particular---do smartphone cameras have that kind of speed capability? Occasionally, someone [in FB birding groups] will ask what everyone is using to take such stunning shots. Nobody has ever said an iphone or galaxy.
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Shares of the tech giant are down over 30 percent from its October high, shedding more than $400 billion in market capitalization from peak
Right, which means unless you think Apple stock will only continue to decline, it's a great time to BUY more shares at discount. That's what I did.
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But can they take stunning shots of, for example, something like an in-flight raptor? I've seen plenty of amazing birding photos on FB. Hummingbirds in particular---do smartphone cameras have that kind of speed capability? Occasionally, someone [in FB birding groups] will ask what everyone is using to take such stunning shots. Nobody has ever said an iphone or galaxy.
My Android phone could take cat pictures (and that's the main use of the phone camera for a lot of us) but only when they were sitting still. I have a lot of pictures of where the cats used to be too, as well as the backs of their heads/butts etc... that got taken after the camera was ready to work. My old iPad is worse too, grainy pictures taken of patient subjects.
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My Android phone could take cat pictures (and that's the main use of the phone camera for a lot of us) but only when they were sitting still. I have a lot of pictures of where the cats used to be too, as well as the backs of their heads/butts etc... that got taken after the camera was ready to work. My old iPad is worse too, grainy pictures taken of patient subjects.
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Certain birds, hummers and chickadees in particular, are especially good at evading the lens.

I'd consider an iphone if they'd get realistic about their pricing. $400-ish would be something closer to sane. My imac was about double what a comparable pc was. It has more than justified that difference. Iphones OTOH, being about 5X the price of a respectable android, are definitely not 5X better IMO.
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More on the Apple lawsuit with Qualcomm...

Cupertino has also filed a billion-dollar royalty lawsuit accusing Qualcomm of charging for patents “they have nothing to do with”.

While the latest court decision in Mannheim has gone in Apple’s favor, a separate ruling in Germany late last year went Qualcomm’s way. And earlier this month Apple was forced to withdraw the iPhone 7 and 8 from its retail stores in Germany, after Qualcomm posted €1.34BN in security bonds to enforce the December court decision — which related to a power management patent.
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/15/ge...e-patent-suit/

Apple won the latest round, but this battle is not helping either company.... as Apple is using an inferior product (intel modem) for their latest iphone offerings, AND they have been forced to withdraw sales in certain countries.

Again, investors likely know this, and are following these lawsuits... which may be one reason the market for Apple has cooled a bit.

Full disclosure: I used to work for Qualcomm... but it was over a decade ago... now I just try to keep up with the news.
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I have a Canon, actual camera.
I have a Nikon, and a cannon. The cannon is more menacing.
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I have a Canon, actual camera.
I have a 5D3, a 24/1.4L, a carbon Gitzo tripod ... and I won a calendar contest with a photo I shot with my phone. (Samsung S6)

You remember the saying f/8 and be there? Phone is already there. SLR and a bag of lenses is heavy.
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Apple is definitely showing some signs of leadership stagnation. Their incrememental product improvements in lieu of actual innovation is distressing, especially in conjunction with their inability to keep pace with those in the tech industry that actually ARE innovating. I'm hoping that their inability to put together a useful home-automation infrastructure (Siri is very lame compared to Alexa) is because they are so focused on a mind-blowing Augmented Reality platform, but I suspect that what they are actually doing is making half-assed attempts in several area and not doing any actual innovation in any of them.

Having said all that, I'll continue to use Apple products, (phones, computers, and tablets), as long as their hardware design and reliability, their software integration, and their customer service remain superior to their competitors.
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I have a Canon 80D... it does WiFi..., and frankly, wonderful video. I am still trying to learn all the nuances of this camera. I grew up in the age of mechanical cameras and film... controls were much simpler then.
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Originally Posted by skijor View Post
But can they take stunning shots of, for example, something like an in-flight raptor? I've seen plenty of amazing birding photos on FB. Hummingbirds in particular---do smartphone cameras have that kind of speed capability? Occasionally, someone [in FB birding groups] will ask what everyone is using to take such stunning shots. Nobody has ever said an iphone or galaxy.
Please re-read my post. Nowhere did I state, or even suggest, a cell phone cam would suffice to replace, for example a high quality, full frame 35mm equivalent digital camera. Take a deep breath.
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I did not mean to imply that the iphone should be able to replace a real camera. I cannot imagine that it ever will. Can't defy the laws of physics...an unnecessarily thin camera phone least of all. Apple's insane pricing is not justified by the iphone's great camera that is slightly better than $200-ish smartphones. I really like that iphones are more secure...its greatest advantage. But not $800 more.

Cell service providers will continue to offset the iphone and galaxy bloated prices, factoring them into everyone's phone bills--iphone owners or not. Most customers will likely continue to shrug off that modest increase every time a new even thinner iphone comes out.
Eventually, I'd expect iphones to be like NFL tickets. Only folks with enough disposable income will be able to afford to go to a game...much less have season tickets. Not the best analogy, I know. The NFL is in a bit of a downward trend too.
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My employer gave me an iPhone 7 to use and pays the bill. I am not complaining. Haven't had many troubles with either of my iMacs. The first one lasted some 10 years before the hard drive crashed. Yes. I use a desktop at home.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Well, here's something that might be having an effect re "what's happening to Apple..." I doubt the iphone fanbois are following this, but investors probably are... the Apple / Qualcomm lawsuit.

Apparently the iphoneX doesn't use the Q chipset...


Now here is where it gets real interesting...


All this is over license fees and a chip that costs Apple about $7.50.

I believe the latest iphones cost consumers quite a bit more than that... seems like there should have been margin for that Q chip built into that much higher phone price.

So in essence... the latest iphones are inferior to earlier models... ie, a "Cadillac" with vinyl seats instead of leather.

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That tiff between Apple and QualComm is widely reported, even on the "fanboi" sites. In the meantime, speaking of lawsuits, Apple-haters should be following the Federal anti-trust trial that the FTC has filed against Qualcomm. The testimony is intriguing and kind of displays how slimy Qualcomm actually is.
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Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
That tiff between Apple and QualComm is widely reported, even on the "fanboi" sites. In the meantime, speaking of lawsuits, Apple-haters should be following the Federal anti-trust trial that the FTC has filed against Qualcomm. The testimony is intriguing and kind of displays how slimy Qualcomm actually is.
Remember, that's their attorneys talkin'...

Us engineering folks... all we know are 1s and 0s... and in my case, RF.

I know at one point, back when I was still with them, there were snide whispers of no longer needing engineers.... that the biggest building on campus was going to be for attorneys...

The games that get played, regarding patent rights, are just amazing... almost makes politics look clean. And yes, I have patents.
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Among the FAANG stocks Netflix is the only stock I bought more of in December and it's made quite a turn around.
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I like that Iphone and Ipad have a real button. You just know for certain whether you pushed the button or not.
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Apple makes functional, durable, reliable products at obscenely inflated luxury prices. These are basically Toyota camry's at Ferrari prices.

Don't look for significant innovation from apple. Unless you consider a larger display a significant innovation with each successive iteration.

Apple is too absorbed in promoting feminism and lgbtq and emoji's to do anything of importance. As long as Tim Rainbow Warrior Cook is at the helm, Apple will be mired in tech stagnation and will reek of social justice warrior communist activism.
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I like that Iphone and Ipad have a real button. You just know for certain whether you pushed the button or not.
Neither my iPhone 7 nor the iPhone Xs that I replaced it with have a real button (Home button). The Xs doesn't even have an indentation where it used to be. Actually, I don't miss it.
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Remember, that's their attorneys talkin'...
In this case, it was the reported testimony of Apple's COO, Jeff Williams at the FTC's trial where they're suing Qualcomm. By reports, a wide variety of tech companies are lining up at that trial to take a swing at Qualcomm like it was some kind of pińata.
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Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
That tiff between Apple and QualComm is widely reported, even on the "fanboi" sites. In the meantime, speaking of lawsuits, Apple-haters should be following the Federal anti-trust trial that the FTC has filed against Qualcomm. The testimony is intriguing and kind of displays how slimy Qualcomm actually is.
It will be an interesting development in how patent rights can coexist with antitrust laws. Germany just finally sided with Apple allowing all Q and Intel iphones to be sold there while saying Qualcomm’s patent case was baseless and that they saw predatory pricing. That should help the EU/FTC anti-trust arguments as well.

Apple could also be betting on Intel to give them a good communication chip that’s compatible with almost all mobile networks around the world. That would be good for everyone! ….i rarely use my 2018 iphone for the internet or transfer speed and it’s easy and fast enough for what i need to do on a phone in any case. For me the Q/I speed issue is insignificant. If I need faster it means i’m interacting enough to want the size of an iPad or computer anyway.
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It will be an interesting development in how patent rights can coexist with antitrust laws. Germany just finally sided with Apple allowing all Q and Intel iphones to be sold there while saying Qualcomm’s patent case was baseless and that they saw predatory pricing. That should help the EU/FTC anti-trust arguments as well.

Apple could also be betting on Intel to give them a good communication chip that’s compatible with almost all mobile networks around the world. That would be good for everyone! ….i rarely use my 2018 iphone for the internet or transfer speed and it’s easy and fast enough for what i need to do on a phone in any case. For me the Q/I speed issue is insignificant. If I need faster it means i’m interacting enough to want the size of an iPad or computer anyway.
Interesting perspective, and I agree. My iPhone is fast enough to work on the web but the form factor is too constraining.
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Right, which means unless you think Apple stock will only continue to decline, it's a great time to BUY more shares at discount. That's what I did.

You better hope that Intel doesn't poach Johny Srouji to be their new CEO.
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Originally Posted by Cuyuna View Post
In this case, it was the reported testimony of Apple's COO, Jeff Williams at the FTC's trial where they're suing Qualcomm. By reports, a wide variety of tech companies are lining up at that trial to take a swing at Qualcomm like it was some kind of pińata.
And yet oddly, no one makes a better modem... so swing away, but consider that there IS nothing better... there are alternatives, but none quite as good... and this has long been the contention of Qualcomm... and apparently if a company chooses to use other chips elsewhere in their different phone offerings, Q hits them with a bigger fee where they use the Q chips... or so I have been told.

It's like dating a very jealous woman. Hell hath no fury.

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