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Old 01-16-19, 11:38 PM
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And yet oddly, no one makes a better modem... so swing away, but consider that there IS nothing better... there are alternatives, but none quite as good... and this has long been the contention of Qualcomm... and apparently if a company chooses to use other chips elsewhere in their different phone offerings, Q hits them with a bigger fee where they use the Q chips... or so I have been told.

It's like dating a very jealous woman. Hell hath no fury.
Donít know, donít care. My iPhone Xs works great. It does everything I need it to do, quickly and responsibly, with an extremely intuitive interface, and so far has been as utterly reliable as every other iPhone (and any Apple product, for that matter) that Iíve ever owned. Personally, I couldnít care less what modem is in my phone, nor do I care what happens to Qualcomm. If their chips are not available for whatever reason then someone else will step in and take their place.
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And yet folks here are wondering "What happened to Apple?"
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And yet folks here are wondering "What happened to Apple?"
What is happening to Apple is a result of what already happened...Steve Jobs died and Tim Cook, who would be a competent CEO at most big corporations, is NOT able to provide Apple with the visionary leadership that made them what they are and is what they need to parlay that success. He's a mechanic and what Apple needs is an artist. I only care about "what's happening to Apple" insofar as it affects the hardware/software that I use every day and is a key part of the way my life works.

I really don't care who wins whatever football game you think they're playing. I only care that I have a phone/tablet/computer that is easy to use and reliable, is part of a functional digital infrastructure, and from a company the provides me with good customer service. I use Windows every day at work...it's all we have there. It sucks, and its native integration with the devices and software that I need sucks even worse. IF Android could ever get its act together and provide me with what I need then I'd buy an Android phone in a heartbeat. In the meantime, I'll stick with Apple until the unlikely day that their hardware/software sucks worse than Android/Windows.
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You better hope that Intel doesn't poach Johny Srouji to be their new CEO.
I don't even know who he is and don't care. Don't have or know anything about fancy phones either. (I do have and like a MacBook Air or whatever it's called)

I'm betting that Apple (AAPL) will continue making money for a long time to come. And I'm getting some of it too.
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What is happening to Apple is a result of what already happened...Steve Jobs died and Tim Cook, who would be a competent CEO at most big corporations, is NOT able to provide Apple with the visionary leadership that made them what they are and is what they need to parlay that success. He's a mechanic and what Apple needs is an artist. I only care about "what's happening to Apple" insofar as it affects the hardware/software that I use every day and is a key part of the way my life works.

I really don't care who wins whatever football game you think they're playing. I only care that I have a phone/tablet/computer that is easy to use and reliable, is part of a functional digital infrastructure, and from a company the provides me with good customer service. I use Windows every day at work...it's all we have there. It sucks, and its native integration with the devices and software that I need sucks even worse. IF Android could ever get its act together and provide me with what I need then I'd buy an Android phone in a heartbeat. In the meantime, I'll stick with Apple until the unlikely day that their hardware/software sucks worse than Android/Windows.
I fully agree with your first paragraph, and sympathize with your second paragraph. Just bear in mind that you ARE paying a premium for that "integration" at the expense of not really having the best technology. But I understand... ease of use often surpasses tech superiority.

I use what I use (including UNIX workstations) as I need the "horsepower" for the tasks I have at hand... and yes I loathe Windows as much as I loathe the marketing hype that sells products that really don't do quite what they say.

Now, having said that... yeah, Jobs did a far better job, not so much with innovation, but in driving a product to perform in a consistent friendly way. ipods and ipads worked wonderfully.
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I fully agree with your first paragraph, and sympathize with your second paragraph. Just bear in mind that you ARE paying a premium for that "integration" at the expense of not really having the best technology. But I understand... ease of use often surpasses tech superiority.
Like many, I don't care about "tech superiority", I only care about "tech adequacy for the task at hand". Often "tech superiority" requires getting under the hood and tinkering in order to take advantage. I used to enjoy that back in my video gaming days when I was building the latest-greatest-fastest PC's I could component-source from NewEgg, but these days, I'm more about the job rather than how fast the job gets done. I don't want to get under the hood. I want to just hit the "start" button and get to work, and with the best integration and least hassle. Right now, that means Apple.
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More on the Apple lawsuit with Qualcomm...
I have read Qualcomm is like a patent troll. And Q is a big company with lots of patents. Apple is also a big company with lots of patents.

There is this idea of "nuclear patent war." Patents are like weapons...because one can sue another for infringe of patent whether it is actually infringed or not. The threat of lawsuit is make it powerful like ICBM's. Then, you have Mutual Assured Distruction, if two companies start sueing over patent...because it'll escalate because neither side will back down. And if one side is backed up against a wall, it'll take down the other side with it. Threat of MAD has kept the peace until now.

The theory saids it will destroy both companies because the cost of legal battles and destraction will mortally injury the companies.

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Like many, I don't care about "tech superiority", I only care about "tech adequacy for the task at hand". Often "tech superiority" requires getting under the hood and tinkering in order to take advantage. I used to enjoy that back in my video gaming days when I was building the latest-greatest-fastest PC's I could component-source from NewEgg, but these days, I'm more about the job rather than how fast the job gets done. I don't want to get under the hood. I want to just hit the "start" button and get to work, and with the best integration and least hassle. Right now, that means Apple.
True, that tech superiority can be a pain... but it really depend on the work you do... certain tasks may require one to dance on the "bleeding edge" of tech. None of the tools I use work on Apple platforms... and yes, if I want music, I don't go to itunes... so I live with that.

But you (and folks like you) pay an awful lot, for "almost good" tech, to live under the Apple "umbrella." I understand not wanting to "lift the hood" though. I certainly enjoy my ipad.

This debate won't be resolved by us here... nor should it be... we all have different needs. But bear in mind, people ARE asking... "What happened to Apple?"
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True, that tech superiority can be a pain... but it really depend on the work you do... certain tasks may require one to dance on the "bleeding edge" of tech. None of the tools I use work on Apple platforms... and yes, if I want music, I don't go to itunes... so I live with that.

But you (and folks like you) pay an awful lot, for "almost good" tech, to live under the Apple "umbrella." I understand not wanting to "lift the hood" though. I certainly enjoy my ipad.

This debate won't be resolved by us here... nor should it be... we all have different needs. But bear in mind, people ARE asking... "What happened to Apple?"
Unlike many, cost is pretty far down on my list of things to care about when buying phones or computers. I've tried to cut corners before on buying tech and the times that I found the resultant purchases to be a huge PITA vastly outweigh the number of times I could pat myself on the back for being a smart tech consumer. I will pay extra to fly First Class, and I will pay extra to buy from Apple. Not because I feel the urge to root for the company like I'd root for the Green Bay Packers, but because their hardware and infrastructure still just works. I'll pay extra for that very substantial decrease in the hassle factor associated with anything more than casual computer or cellphone use.


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Unlike many, cost is pretty far down on my list of things to care about when buying phones or computers. I've tried to cut corners before on buying tech and the times that I found the resultant purchases to be a huge PITA vastly outweigh the number of times I could pat myself on the back for being a smart tech consumer. I will pay extra to fly First Class, and I will pay extra to buy from Apple. Not because I feel the urge to root for the company like I'd root for the Green Bay Packers, but because their hardware and infrastructure still just works. I'll pay extra for that very substantial decrease in the hassle factor associated with anything more than casual computer or cellphone use.


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Works for you... and you are willing to pay that price. Their systems will not support my tools, nor are there tools that work on Apple that can do the work I do... so I was and have been locked out of their universe from day one.

Having said that... for my recreation, I love my ipad. It just works... as you state. (and I have yet to see any competitor pad that works as well). But bear in mind, those are different needs / uses.

What do you do for a living? I design electronic devices... and need CAD tools that are not available on the Apple OS.

Folks that do art, write, do video, even write software may be quite happy with iOS. My design and simulation tools do not go there. Ironically Windows doesn't support them either... so this is not a Win / iOS debate. And sure, I might be able to run a UNIX or Win session on a Mac in a dual boot configuration... but why would I buy something more expensive to do that?

And again, you don't care that your new iphone using intel modem actually runs slower than an older iphone using a Q modem... so perhaps wireless data speed/bandwidth is less critical for you... but easy operation and consistency are very important to you.

As I said, we can debate this all day long... we obviously have different needs.

Here look at this situation for instance, regarding "pads..."
Memphis-based FedEx today announced that it has selected Motorola Inc. in Schaumburg, Ill., to develop and manufacture the new handheld device, the FedEx PowerPad.

The PowerPad as an "industrial-strength" version of commercial hardware that uses the Microsoft Corp. Pocket PC operating system and will automate dispatch, pickup and delivery. It will also eliminate the paperwork once handled by couriers, which accounts for the bulk of the annual $20 million in savings
That was from 2002. Things may be different now.
UPS uses a different device... the DAID.
Neither chose the very well designed ipad I just mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Most of the local small businesses near me use ipads for POS and inventory. My wife uses an iphone for her POS tool for her art. She is an artist, and she rolls her eyes at my computers and technology.

Different strokes for different folks.

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Works for you... and you are willing to pay that price. Their systems will not support my tools, nor are there tools that work on Apple that can do the work I do... so I was and have been locked out of their universe from day one.

Having said that... for my recreation, I love my ipad. It just works... as you state. (and I have yet to see any competitor pad that works as well). But bear in mind, those are different needs / uses.

What do you do for a living? I design electronic devices... and need CAD tools that are not available on the Apple OS.
I am in the medical field. I do a lot of research and data correlation/statistics, write papers and Powerpoint presentations, and do a lot of video editing. The software I need for that stuff is available for either Windows or MacOS, but I opt for Mac because the various programs interact more seamlessly and reliably and more intuitively. For video gaming, I just boot my Mac into Windows. Windows 10 runs great on the Mac.
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I am in the medical field. I do a lot of research and data correlation/statistics, write papers and Powerpoint presentations, and do a lot of video editing. The software I need for that stuff is available for either Windows or MacOS, but I opt for Mac because the various programs interact more seamlessly and reliably and more intuitively. For video gaming, I just boot my Mac into Windows. Windows 10 runs great on the Mac.
My Doctor and my attorney agree with you... they both use Macs. Oddly, the doctor was presented with a new system in his clinic for viewing x-rays. It was PC based... while trying examine my x-ray with me, he displayed a bit of frustration. My CAD experience allowed me to show him how to use the features quickly. We both laughed.

The tools I use are not available for Macs, period... and it just would not make sense to buy a more expensive system, so I could emulate a cheaper one...

BTW, the irony is that the tools I use are also used by Apple to design their hardware.... they don't do those designs on mac computers. I have colleagues that work at Apple that I talk to on a regular basis. (Heck, I was offered a position there about 5 years ago, but economically it did not make sense.)

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More on the Apple lawsuit with Qualcomm...



https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/15/ge...e-patent-suit/

Apple won the latest round, but this battle is not helping either company.... as Apple is using an inferior product (intel modem) for their latest iphone offerings, AND they have been forced to withdraw sales in certain countries.

Again, investors likely know this, and are following these lawsuits... which may be one reason the market for Apple has cooled a bit.

Full disclosure: I used to work for Qualcomm... but it was over a decade ago... now I just try to keep up with the news.
So does this mean that Apple's next new iPhone won't be sporting the new 5G Qualcomm chipset when it debuts? Or will they kiss and make up saying all is forgiven in anticipation of the tremendous profits they both will reap from this newest innovation?
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Like many, I don't care about "tech superiority", I only care about "tech adequacy for the task at hand". Often "tech superiority" requires getting under the hood and tinkering in order to take advantage. I used to enjoy that back in my video gaming days when I was building the latest-greatest-fastest PC's I could component-source from NewEgg, but these days, I'm more about the job rather than how fast the job gets done. I don't want to get under the hood. I want to just hit the "start" button and get to work, and with the best integration and least hassle. Right now, that means Apple.
Apple is like the Lexus of electronics: As long as you stay within their pre-selected "straight and level" perimeters, they won't fail you. Just don't attempt go beyond that or their electronic nanny will snatch you back and reel you in pretty quickly. For the record, there nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC. Except for Mac only software that is.
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Apple is like the Lexus of electronics: As long as you stay within their pre-selected "straight and level" perimeters, they won't fail you. Just don't attempt go beyond that or their electronic nanny will snatch you back and reel you in pretty quickly. For the record, there nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC. Except for Mac only software that is.
Not sure what you mean, but it’s true that there’s not a lot of opportunity to tinker under the hood. Can’t add video cards, etc. I can’t even add RAM to my iMac Pro. You have to stay within the Apple envelope in modifying or adding to your machine. The trade-off is....the whole system just works. Their control of the hardware and software infrastructure eliminates most of the silly crap that makes Windows so consistently unreliable and cumbersome. I’ve built a lot of PCs over the years to get top performance. What I found is that that’s a never-ending chase and never really got me any significant performance benefit in daily use other than maybe video gaming (I’ve spent many thousands of dollars on video cards over the years). For me, that's a good trade-off. For those "enthusiasts" who live or die by 3DMark or other benchmarking software (I used to), best to stick with PC's. If you use Apple, your hardware performance is at the mercy of Apple upgrades.

Apple isn’t a good choice for the average “computer enthusiast”. It works best for people who need a computer in order be able to focus on the work rather than on the computer. I use Windows 10 every day at work...I spend more time in front of a PC than a Mac on an average day. Working with Windows is associated almost daily with some kind of failure, restriction, crash, or incompatibility. It wouldn’t be a normal day at work without forwarding a screenshot of an error code or dialogue box to the IT department at least once.

It is true that “there’s nothing you can do on a Mac that you can’t do on a PC. Except for Mac only software”. The reverse is true too, however, since I have the option of booting my Mac into Windows rather than MacOS and can run any Windows-only software that I need to natively (as opposed to emulation). Nice to have the option, but not really necessary. I only do that for video games written to use Direct X. Most of the major video games are Windows-only (actually, most the video games are for consoles...more accurate to say that most of the major video games are ported only to Windows and not Mac). That works fine for me, and as long as I can maintain frame rates of 120FPS or better, I'm fine with that.

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@ cuyana You know, the biggest problems with PC's is Windows.... if you run Linux you tend to avoid a lot of the issues of that bloatware. I understand you dual booted into Windows... doesn't that mean you "left the Apple umbrella?"

BTW I just talked to a colleague at apple... they DO use macs to do the design work... but run them in Linux. So, sort of an interesting twist... "half under the umbrella..." so to speak.

I honestly wonder just how much of the actual mac hardware is the same as that in a PC... we know the CPU is the same, memory is likely the same, HD is the same, video may be Radeon... Motherboard is different as is BIOS.

Just food for thought.

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@ cuyana You know, the biggest problems with PC's is Windows.... if you run Linux you tend to avoid a lot of the issues of that bloatware. I understand you dual booted into Windows... doesn't that mean you "left the Apple umbrella?"

BTW I just talked to a colleague at apple... they DO use macs to do the design work... but run them in Linux. So, sort of an interesting twist... "half under the umbrella..." so to speak.

I honestly wonder just how much of the actual mac hardware is the same as that in a PC... we know the CPU is the same, memory is likely the same, HD is the same, video may be Radeon... Motherboard is different as is BIOS.

Just food for thought.
Yes. The main problem with PCs is the Windows operating system, not necessarily the hardware.

If and when I boot into Windows, I am still under the Apple umbrella since they need to provide the EFI necessary to account for Mac's lack of PC-BIOS. Apple also provides all of the drivers necessary to accommodate its non-PC hardware while running Windows. In the end, all that stuff works well. Windows runs natively, for better or for worse, warts and all, (as would Linux) and it runs fast. The only problem I've ever had was video cards. The Radeon Pro Vega 64 is a good card, but the drivers that Apple provides for running it under Windows are less than optimal. I use a hacked Radeon driver (Bootcampdrivers.com) to make it work well enough to run 120 FPS at max resolution with all the stuff turned on. Linux is a good operating system, and I did run it for awhile years ago on a PC that I built. I could run Linux on my Macs, could even have the option of triple-booting (macOS/Windows/Linux) but these days I have no need of Linux and have no desire to hassle with it enough to make it work. Computers are no longer a hobby for me, they're just tools that I use. I don't want to get under the hood, Like any important tool I just want them to work, work fast, and word reliably.
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Yes. The main problem with PCs is the Windows operating system, not necessarily the hardware.

If and when I boot into Windows, I am still under the Apple umbrella since they need to provide the EFI necessary to account for Mac's lack of PC-BIOS. Apple also provides all of the drivers necessary to accommodate its non-PC hardware while running Windows. In the end, all that stuff works well. Windows runs natively, for better or for worse, warts and all, (as would Linux) and it runs fast. The only problem I've ever had was video cards. The Radeon Pro Vega 64 is a good card, but the drivers that Apple provides for running it under Windows are less than optimal. I use a hacked Radeon driver (Bootcampdrivers.com) to make it work well enough to run 120 FPS at max resolution with all the stuff turned on. Linux is a good operating system, and I did run it for awhile years ago on a PC that I built. I could run Linux on my Macs, could even have the option of triple-booting (macOS/Windows/Linux) but these days I have no need of Linux and have no desire to hassle with it enough to make it work. Computers are no longer a hobby for me, they're just tools that I use. I don't want to get under the hood, Like any important tool I just want them to work, work fast, and word reliably.
OK, so we agree that the real issue is WINDOWS. GRIN.

Yeah, turns out my design software will run a mac, booted into Linux. I could go that route, but honestly, my current Win7, on my carefully selected hardware, is pretty darn stable. Not perfect mind you... but heck, I've even seen HPUX Unix machines "go off." They were still on, but failed to load and launch software, and when I would contact IT, their response was always "well, we can ping it." "Great, as if I could do my work with "ping."

Regarding Windows... I hate the patches... about every 9th or 15th patch breaks my machine... the next one fixes it... NOT A GOOD SIGN. I don't allow "patches" during critical design runs. Nothing worse than having to tell a client... sorry, gotta wait until next Tuesday for the fix. Sigh.

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The last half dozen Windows machines I've used, I've rebooted every few months at most. Windows used to be unreliable and crash a lot in the 90s, that's a trip down memory lane.
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Like most people, I've run the whole gambit of brands & enthusiasm. Unlike most people, I had a database in DOS 3.1 and ran Windows from the command line and was slightly annoyed with being forced to use a GUI as default option in Windows '95, 98, NT, Me, &2000 until about 2001 or so...Then acquiescing to a GUI & it's limitations I switched to Mac. That was cool, & it still is...from a hardware elegance perspective.

But then Apples business model became a walled garden fleecing a captive audience. Dis-satisfied with everything from iTunes 9 (10?) & OS X 10.01 onward I decided to learn BSD Debian (and various flavors) & System V (Solaris, Fedora, etc...)

It was then I realized Apples source of innovation was really the Open Source Linux community & their revenue stream was porting over either BSD or System V innovations to their Apple Mac OS hybrid of the 2 systems & locking it up behind a EULA, copyright law.

It's all the same really. Apples edge in the market really centered around focusing on 1 specific piece of hardware & guarenteeing the program to run it was flawless. They gave up on that & became a services company long ago. With open source being as good as it is & most importantly general purpose & platform/hardware independent; Apples run had to end sometime.

The cat's out of the bag. How many Android Linux devices do you see every day? The reason is production cost & the cost proprietary software licensing agreements. Elegant hardware & flawless software only goes so far when 99% "good enough" costs the end user 60% as much.

FWIW: As a regular user, Windows 10 is garbage. XP was the best thing going for a long, long, long time. But that's a different topic.

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The last half dozen Windows machines I've used, I've rebooted every few months at most. Windows used to be unreliable and crash a lot in the 90s, that's a trip down memory lane.
I reboot every couple of weeks or so... running win 7.

As far as windows being a joke... look at win 8... and a few other early releases.
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OK, so we agree that the real issue is WINDOWS. GRIN.
Regarding Windows... I hate the patches... about every 9th or 15th patch breaks my machine... the next one fixes it... NOT A GOOD SIGN. I don't allow "patches" during critical design runs. Nothing worse than having to tell a client... sorry, gotta wait until next Tuesday for the fix. Sigh.

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Yeah, hardware is hardware. There is some crap hardware out there...but most of it's pretty good. The problem with the cheaper PCs tends to be their lack of QC of the finished product and their lack of vetting reliable integration of the various components and their drivers and firmware. With the better (more expensive) PC's, that's less of an issue, and with the tightly controlled Apple infrastructure, it's almost never an issue.

As to patches, what an annoyance. I have the same experience as you with some of the Windows "updates" rendering the computer impaired. I have to be meticulous in backing up my Windows partition. I put the "updates" off as long as I can, but they become increasingly insistent the longer I ignore them. I recently reached the point where it pretty much demanded that I update. I don't know yet if it broke the system because I had to hit "update and restart" with the last reboot back into MacOS. I'll be interested to see what this "update" broke.

I don't have to worry about it at work since it's a closed enterprise system, although I was able to get IT to give me Administrator privileges on the two or three PC's that I use. That finally came after almost a decade of showing them that I was savvy enough to not let viruses in nor do anything else overtly stupid.
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Like most people, I've run the whole gambit of brands & enthusiasm. Unlike most people, I had a database in DOS 3.1 and ran Windows from the command line and was slightly annoyed with being forced to use a GUI as default option in Windows '95, 98, NT, Me, &2000 until about 2001 or so...Then acquiescing to a GUI & it's limitations I switched to Mac. That was cool, & it still is...from a hardware elegance perspective.

But then Apples business model became a walled garden fleecing a captive audience. Dis-satisfied with everything from iTunes 9 (10?) & OS X 10.01 onward I decided to learn BSD Debian (and various flavors) & System V (Solaris, Fedora, etc...)

It was then I realized Apples source of innovation was really the Open Source Linux community & their revenue stream was porting over either BSD or System V innovations to their Apple Mac OS hybrid of the 2 systems & locking it up behind a EULA, copyright law.

It's all the same really. Apples edge in the market really centered around focusing on 1 specific piece of hardware & guarenteeing the program to run it was flawless. They gave up on that & became a services company long ago. With open source being as good as it is & most importantly general purpose & platform/hardware independent; Apples run had to end sometime.

The cat's out of the bag. How many Android Linux devices do you see every day? The reason is production cost & the cost proprietary software licensing agreements. Elegant hardware & flawless software only goes so far when 99% "good enough" costs the end user 60% as much.

FWIW: As a regular user, Windows 10 is garbage. XP was the best thing going for a long, long, long time. But that's a different topic.
I don't disagree with any of that, but personally, I just don't want to get under the hood any more. I want to just push the button and get to work.
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I reboot every couple of weeks or so... running win 7.

As far as windows being a joke... look at win 8... and a few other early releases.
Every two or three weeks on an obsolete operating system isn't that bad. People talk about it like it crashes constantly but you're a power user hitting it hard and rebooting once or twice a month isn't constant by any means.

A lot of SQL Servers never get rebooted, uptime measured in years.
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