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Old 01-18-19, 05:50 PM
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My Doctor and my attorney agree with you... they both use Macs. Oddly, the doctor was presented with a new system in his clinic for viewing x-rays. It was PC based... while trying examine my x-ray with me, he displayed a bit of frustration. My CAD experience allowed me to show him how to use the features quickly. We both laughed.
The software used for viewing x-rays/MRIs obtained off site is on the disk with the images, and usually takes quite a while to load as it loads the images as well at first. They all seem to work differently too, so even if they only had to pull up the images for your x-rays it could still take a while to load and none of those programs are very easy to use at first.
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Every two or three weeks on an obsolete operating system isn't that bad. People talk about it like it crashes constantly but you're a power user hitting it hard and rebooting once or twice a month isn't constant by any means.

A lot of SQL Servers never get rebooted, uptime measured in years.
I rarely have crashes... except for after a service patch... then, I might get a few until the next patch... then things get stable again.

I hate the idea of having to go to win 10 at some point... the sheer amount of reinstall takes me days. It's just freakin' lost time.

At this point I use a 1TB disk for data, and a 500GB SSD for OS and apps. I have fast boots and the programs are zippy... why the heck would I want to change... the system is "dialed in."

I am thinking a 4TB NAS as my next big system improvement, to act as a better backup, and make the data shared to any computer.

In fact when I go on a site for a contract (rarely anymore) I find it quite annoying to be "issued" some computer or laptop tha can barely do the job.

I went to one site about 5 years ago that had me using an old unix box with a 27 inch CRT... I offered to go buy a flat screen just to get higher contrast and more desk space. They said no. A freaking CRT... I couldn't believe it.


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The software used for viewing x-rays/MRIs obtained off site is on the disk with the images, and usually takes quite a while to load as it loads the images as well at first. They all seem to work differently too, so even if they only had to pull up the images for your x-rays it could still take a while to load and none of those programs are very easy to use at first.
More than likely, the xray workstation in his office is a PC with a standalone PACS program that accesses a central server where the X-rays are stored after they're shot. What you're describing is what is done when a patient wants to get a disc copy of his/her xrays to take for a second opinion or consultation from a doctor that doesn't have access to that server. In that event, the xray images are loaded onto the disc along with the proprietary viewing software necessary to view them.
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I rarely have crashes... except for after a service patch... then, I might get a few until the next patch... then things get stable again.

I hate the idea of having to go to win 10 at some point... the sheer amount of reinstall takes me days. It's just freakin' lost time.

At this point I use a 1TB disk for data, and a 500GB SSD for OS and apps. I have fast boots and the programs are zippy... why the heck would I want to change... the system is "dialed in."

I am thinking a 4TB NAS as my next big system improvement, to act as a better backup, and make the data shared to any computer.

In fact when I go on a site for a contract (rarely anymore) I find it quite annoying to be "issued" some computer or laptop tha can barely do the job.

I went to one site about 5 years ago that had me using an old unix box with a 27 inch CRT... I offered to go buy a flat screen just to get higher contrast and more desk space. They said no. A freaking CRT... I couldn't believe it.


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I'm not trying to tell you to use a different setup than you prefer. I'm pointing out that Windows has become pretty stable and reliable. It earned a bad reputation a long time ago when they company was headed by people who either moved on or are dead. It's fine to like other software, but Windows deserves some credit for serious improvement.
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The software used for viewing x-rays/MRIs obtained off site is on the disk with the images, and usually takes quite a while to load as it loads the images as well at first. They all seem to work differently too, so even if they only had to pull up the images for your x-rays it could still take a while to load and none of those programs are very easy to use at first.
I don’t know how it works... it appeared to be a proprietary system and hardware. To me, the UI seemed very similar to a 3D CAD program... within a minute or two I was able to grasp the interface and load the desired image, pan and zoom it. He didn't grasp the concept, at first, and thought the initial view was all there was... an image too small to see details. I had a bone spur (yup, a real one... somewhat common at my age) and until we were able to zoom into the joint, it wasn't evident. The specialist had identified it, my GP was trying to explain it to me, but without the image, we were stuck with only our imagination.
The spur has since been removed, pain is gone, joint works almost perfectly... I have a bit of limited flex in one direction, otherwise, very tolerable.

I think the UI was just too foreign to my mac using doc... to me, just another graphics/CAD tool. Perhaps he just had not had the requisite training yet.

I happen to have a touch of medical training too, due to an early pursuit in my life... so this was especially interesting to me.
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I'm not trying to tell you to use a different setup than you prefer. I'm pointing out that Windows has become pretty stable and reliable. It earned a bad reputation a long time ago when they company was headed by people who either moved on or are dead. It's fine to like other software, but Windows deserves some credit for serious improvement.
Oh I hear you... but again the occasional patch DOES mess up an otherwise stable system.

I am not alone in this... https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/art...t-genuine-pcs/
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Windows "garbage"? Way too many superlatives being thrown around here. I've utilized Windows updates for the past 5 years and the worst I've had was sluggish operation post update. I've never experienced a period where my computer was rendered totally inoperative. In any event, its still the largest OS beating all the others combined.

Apples demise is due mostly to their own overconfidence, and the belief that they can continue to sell yesterday's tech at today's prices indefinitely as long as it has an Apple logo on it. Sooner or later people were going to wake up and smell the coffee. Their software and computer superiority isn't what it used to be (iTunes was always buggy for me). And if they're not careful and don't change their game, they will suffer the same fate with their iPhone as well.
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Windows "garbage"? Way too many superlatives being thrown around here. I've utilized Windows updates for the past 5 years and the worst I've had was sluggish operation post update. I've never experienced a period where my computer was rendered totally inoperative. In any event, its still the largest OS beating all the others combined.

Apples demise is due mostly to their own overconfidence, and the belief that they can continue to sell yesterday's tech at today's prices indefinitely as long as it has an Apple logo on it. Sooner or later people were going to wake up and smell the coffee. Their software and computer superiority isn't what it used to be (iTunes was always buggy for me). And if they're not careful and don't change their game, they will suffer the same fate with their iPhone as well.
Although I've stated my dislike for the iphone, I would likely go with another imac when this one goes belly up. I had to look in my receipts file when I bought this one to recall its present age. How many PCs are still chugging along nicely after nine years?
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Windows "garbage"? Way too many superlatives being thrown around here. I've utilized Windows updates for the past 5 years and the worst I've had was sluggish operation post update. I've never experienced a period where my computer was rendered totally inoperative. In any event, its still the largest OS beating all the others combined.

Apples demise is due mostly to their own overconfidence, and the belief that they can continue to sell yesterday's tech at today's prices indefinitely as long as it has an Apple logo on it. Sooner or later people were going to wake up and smell the coffee. Their software and computer superiority isn't what it used to be (iTunes was always buggy for me). And if they're not careful and don't change their game, they will suffer the same fate with their iPhone as well.
I think there are very few, if any, US corporations whose demise has been predicted as often as Apple over the last 35 years.
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Apple isn't going to die. They're going to continue switching to a service company. Eventually their operating system will die and we'll all be using Linux.
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i remember Apple compiter was not always good. bitd, i had the iMac. it was aweful...and expensive. it gets so hot (no fan)...i could smell burning plastic. it came with 2 completely different o/s. the newer o/s (ibm based os2 ) was so slow...the other os was claasic Apple but antiquated like... the 80s. cost so much...i put all my savings to buy one.

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Apple isn't going to die. They're going to continue switching to a service company. Eventually their operating system will die and we'll all be using Linux.
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Linux is a lot more common than you think. Do you own a router? How about a smart tv? A non-iPhone mobile device? Nest thermostat? Any Google product at all?

Linux suffers consumer awareness because theres no advertising budget tellong you what you want. There doesn't need to be. You use it everyday.
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Linux was developed original from Unix which is from MIT.
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Linux is a lot more common than you think. Do you own a router? How about a smart tv? A non-iPhone mobile device? Nest thermostat? Any Google product at all?

Linux suffers consumer awareness because theres no advertising budget tellong you what you want. There doesn't need to be. You use it everyday.
I don't use Linux at all. I use devices, hardware, and software that use it, including MacOS which is Unix-based. But I am isolated from it's various non-mainstream foibles.



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Apple also provides all of the drivers necessary to accommodate its non-PC hardware while running Windows. In the end, all that stuff works well. Windows runs natively, for better or for worse, warts and all, (as would Linux) and it runs fast.
With the right processor, memory and ssd spec’ed Apple, Bootcamp or Parallels gives the ability to use all the software my company needs to do Environmental/BioSystem/Nano-Science MEMS Energy Harvesting engineering work on reliable, stable and easy to use Apple computers with excellent customer support. Some of the window software programs I use actually works better on my Mac’s. If someone has specific work where it is better to use an inferior PC use it.... BUT that’s not the case for the work i do.

We had some Apple Pro Workflow Team members and UCLA Environmental Science and Engineering faculty spend some time at the company last November looking at our workflow for their research into the architecture of the coming MacPro. In talking with them it was apparent that Apple is looking more at our kind of business users with the coming MacPro. Which is good……
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Windows, Apple, Samsung.. tough world out there. Whoever thought Monkey Wards, Sears, or Toy r Us would go belly up.
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Linux was developed original from Unix which is from MIT.
Berkeley and ATT/Bell Labs
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Apple isn't going to die. They're going to continue switching to a service company. Eventually their operating system will die and we'll all be using Linux.
Hmmm... I was going to say that Macs were already running Linux.

But, apparently that isn't quite correct.

Steve Jobs spun off from Apple to form NeXT which ran NeXTStep which apparently ran a form of Berkeley (BSD) Unix.

When NeXT and Apple re-merged, Apple started building off of the NeXTStep OS, and thus off of BSD Unix.



Actually, using BSD makes quite a bit of sense, as BSD is not covered under GPL... Thus Apple can keep their trade secrets proprietary. Whereas if they had been using Linux, much of their OS would be open.



I didn't realize the connection between ATT Unix and MIT, but apparently there is a thread back there somewhere, but most of it came from Bell Labs.

Then was in a large part cloned by Berkeley, and later cloned again by Linux (which eventually was built independent of the ATT code), and left us with things like Hairy Bison instead of Yak.
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With the right processor, memory and ssd spec’ed Apple, Bootcamp or Parallels gives the ability to use all the software my company needs to do Environmental/BioSystem/Nano-Science MEMS Energy Harvesting engineering work on reliable, stable and easy to use Apple computers with excellent customer support. Some of the window software programs I use actually works better on my Mac’s. If someone has specific work where it is better to use an inferior PC use it.... BUT that’s not the case for the work i do.

We had some Apple Pro Workflow Team members and UCLA Environmental Science and Engineering faculty spend some time at the company last November looking at our workflow for their research into the architecture of the coming MacPro. In talking with them it was apparent that Apple is looking more at our kind of business users with the coming MacPro. Which is good……
Emulation software such as Parallels works very well for most Windows applications running on a Mac and is a simpler and much more convenient method for running Windows, no question. My main reason for running Windows, however, was FPS gaming for which I needed/need DirectX. That just didn't work under emulation, so I needed to actually boot into real Windows to get that capability.
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Buddy I used to work with started a company. He tried to use Linux, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than Windows licenses. After a few days he gave up. Told me he understood why people pay for Windows, it just works. (I know that's praise Apple is used to getting, but SQL Server wasn't available on Macs.)

This was a long time ago, Linux has gotten much better from what I hear. You install it, it runs, you have a windowed desktop, there's free software for everything you could want to do. I never ran a Linux box myself. For my need Windows can't be beat.

Microsoft has plans for a final version of Windows and plans to exit the O/S market. It's really hard to make money selling an O/S anymore. Modern ones cost a fortune to develop and Linux is free and constantly improving. Apple has more time I'm the game because of the way their hardware is tied to their software, you're buying both as a whole. And because their fans are much more dedicated than Windows users. But Apple isn't immune to market forces.

I expect we're looking at a ~10 year time frame.
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Mac abandoned their business focus years ago. Nowadays they are more interested in mass appeal (where their Jedi mind tricks work best jk). Besides, after all the business support they simple deserted in the years previously, I'm surprised there's still any businesses that would still trust them at this point.
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Windows, Apple, Samsung.. tough world out there. Whoever thought Monkey Wards, Sears, or Toy r Us would go belly up.
You only named a few, but the list gets a lot longer than that. A whole lot longer! And not just tops in their industry, but in the American environment as well. I don't think this setback will be the end of Apple, but, we should all know by now to never say never.
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Mac abandoned their business focus years ago. Nowadays they are more interested in mass appeal (where their Jedi mind tricks work best jk). Besides, after all the business support they simple deserted in the years previously, I'm surprised there's still any businesses that would still trust them at this point.
You only named a few, but the list gets a lot longer than that. A whole lot longer! And not just tops in their industry, but in the American environment as well. I don't think this setback will be the end of Apple, but, we should all know by now to never say never.
that's certainly not the case with my work....
Even with the demise of the Advanced Technology Group at Apple (20 years ago) it has and is still working closely with universities like MIT, especially it’s Nanoengineering Group, UC Berkeley’s Data Science, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory whose HPC system via there VPN is easier for me to use with an Apple, the NASA Ames Research Center etc.etc.etc….and I’ll say most scientists i know prefer Apple unix, some with dual booted Linux for their personal computer, because (again) it just works and is reliable!

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