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Old 01-20-19, 07:56 AM
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Is this Apple quietly admitting that perhaps they have jumped the shark?

Apple has quietly resumed selling the iPhone SE as a clearance item in the US, starting at $249 for a 32GB model (down from the original $349) and $299 for a 128GB version (a sharp drop from the initial $449). These aren't used models, either -- they're shiny new, or at least as shiny new as you can get for a phone that went mostly unchanged since its 2016 debut.
https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/01...ale-clearance/

Apple recently admitted that they failed to meet sales expectations last year... and is quietly bringing back an earlier model.

Could it be that the loss of the 3.5mm audio jack, the lower data speed of the Intel modem and the sky high price of their X model phones was just taking things a step too far?

Does Apple need to reevaluate their current phone design direction... maybe look at things through more of a "would Steve Jobs like the X phone" viewpoint?
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Whatever Apple is doing here, it's not "jumping the shark".

Your post is doing that.


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Good find... it appears that perhaps the smartphone market may be saturated.

the lackluster memory sales surprise me though. Can never get enough of that stuff.
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iPhone SE or Motorola G6 or Nokia 6.1 or...?

Moto has the X4 on sale for $190, tempting.

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I have the iPhone SE 128GB. I got it from Virgin a couple of years ago for about $250 because it was pink, and unpopular. I pay $30/mo for unlimited everything, no contract. The corresponding iPod touch (remember those?) was more expensive, so I decided I had nothing to lose. I could always just use it as a slightly bulkier ipod.

My first cell phone. Hopefully my last.

The unlocked version Apple sells is a bit more expensive (discounted), but probably worth it for the flexibility. (Virgin/Sprint is bottom-of-the-line in terms of connectivity and coverage).

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It's market saturation. Five years ago, idiots were similarly lamenting the "death of the microwave," because sales had peaked in 2004, and started gradually declining afterward. Well, that's because everyone has a microwave, and they use that microwave until it up and dies. People don't have to rush out an buy a new microwave every year. And phones have gotten to the point where the gains are marginal. The screens are bigger and they're even thinner, but the speed/efficiency increases... meh. Well, there's also that $1,000+ pricetag. I'm going to use my iPhone 8 (purchased during a BOGO event) until some tragedy befalls it.
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I've personally gave up on chasing the newest flagship a few years ago. My concept of the primary use of a cell phone has been demoted to use it when I have to and carry it with me when I need to be connected. My phone has to do basic things in short bursts when I need to use it. Just about all and any phone can meet my phone needs now. Reasonably fast, youtube, netflix, music, some games, browsing etc and of course send and receive voice and texts. Probably the same way most people feel. My "step up" is a 10 inch tablet for everything else. It was $200 and a far better experience to use. If I don't have my tablet with me or I need to be connected without wi-fi for something, my previous mentioned phone is more than good enough in a pinch. I'm not paying $1000 for something with 5.98 inch screen regardless of how great it looks. That physical size is the limit on its overall usefulness and experience and if they make them any larger to overcome that it takes away from the core function of portability and small size that people also desire.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Whatever Apple is doing here, it's not "jumping the shark".

Your post is doing that.


https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/8/18...4-2018-warning
well, the op's apple posts aren't usually done with much research or reason......i assume this ones about a misconstrued interpretation like many others
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Sorry but I think it is insane to pay +1K for something that you will lose, break or simply need to replace in a few years, I paid $200 for my Moto G6 (my first smart phone). I does everything I need. At $200 I thought that was a bit crazy. I can never imagine paying $1K.
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I've loved my last few iphones. In several instances I've replaced it after the contract period because it had a broken screen. This last iteration I seemed to have a broken microphone and wanted an X. But having it now, there's nothing about it I find much better than the last one. Considering the price and the quality they will need to start going to longer contracts to support the more expensive phones that will last longer, or don't go so expensive to keep the factory humming. And they can surely see that now they've saturated the top of the market, the only way to go is down to the cheaper market.

This happens. Facebook hasn't been growing except by buying trendier new competitors. Phone and cable companies had to merge to keep it together. With every new "streaming platform" I think, great, a seventeenth way to watch television, thanks a lot.

In the short-medium term a company can get rich by making something cheap everyone wants or making something cool they can charge a lot for. But in the end the bankers will get all the money. They always do.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
Sorry but I think it is insane to pay +1K for something that you will lose, break or simply need to replace in a few years, I paid $200 for my Moto G6 (my first smart phone). I does everything I need. At $200 I thought that was a bit crazy. I can never imagine paying $1K.
Yup. Same goes for sunglasses. Hard to justify hundreds of dollars for Oakleys when perfectly functional and stylish shades can be had for a fraction of that. But some folks have lots of disposable income...or brand name stuff matters more to them. To each their own.
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Several MVNOs were already selling the iPhone SE for $249-$299, locked and/or with some variation of a contract. Apple is just matching those prices with unlocked phones. They probably found a stash of 'em in some warehouse and decided to blow 'em out while they're still worth something.

Phone manufacturers may be paying too much attention to tech media writers, who are always suffering from a bad case of need-more-More-MORE hysteria, and not enough attention to consumers who are fairly easily satisfied.

The one place where Apple can distinguish itself from the herd now is in privacy and security.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Good find... it appears that perhaps the smartphone market may be saturated.

the lackluster memory sales surprise me though. Can never get enough of that stuff.

Memory prices have been horrible for quite a while now and I know for that reason, very few desktop computer users bother to get more than 16gig.(admittedly there also doesn't seem to be that compelling a reason for more than 16gig for regular desktop users either)


I guess though that doesn't explain why Samsung had a great qtr last time, but not so good coming up.
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https://www.engadget.com/amp/2019/01...ale-clearance/

Apple recently admitted that they failed to meet sales expectations last year... and is quietly bringing back an earlier model.

Could it be that the loss of the 3.5mm audio jack, the lower data speed of the Intel modem and the sky high price of their X model phones was just taking things a step too far?

Does Apple need to reevaluate their current phone design direction... maybe look at things through more of a "would Steve Jobs like the X phone" viewpoint?
Yes, it is. I see this as a sign of real life sanity. Many audiophiles loved iPhones, they miss the 3.5 mm audio jack, also many dislike the price of the iPhone X line and also slower data speeds, and the bigger, bulkier nature of the new iPhone X line. Function sometimes trumps form. I see less function and innovation from Apple, more and quicker obsolescence, and less overall elegance since we lost Steve Jobs (a man who got elegant design).
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I miss my rotary phone and having only 3 tv channels.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
Sorry but I think it is insane to pay +1K for something that you will lose, break or simply need to replace in a few years, I paid $200 for my Moto G6 (my first smart phone). I does everything I need. At $200 I thought that was a bit crazy. I can never imagine paying $1K.
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I bought a $20 flip phone. Huge slab phones can do some pretty stuff, but they're less convenient to carry and cost insanely much.
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I bought a $20 flip phone. Huge slab phones can do some pretty stuff, but they're less convenient to carry and cost insanely much.
I couldn't sustain the lack of functionality that comes with a flip phone of any kind. Been there, done that...can't afford to go back. My company covers the phone. The cost of the phone and service is irrelevant compared to increased productivity and the cost of the technology necessary to make up for the lack of functionality of a flip phone. For some people, a cave man phone is adequate...even a badge of curmudgeonly stubborness. Doesn't work for me or my partners, however.

Relative to Apple...jumped the shark...I don't know...they aren't the exciting innovators they once were, but none of the other tech players are doing any more innovation than Apple. Some of them are better than others at expanding on things that Apple has already done. Apple remains an exceedingly potent force in tech circles. Apple Named 'World's Most Admired Company' for 12th Year in a Row

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I couldn't sustain the lack of functionality that comes with a flip phone of any kind. Been there, done that...can't afford to go back. My company covers the phone. The cost of the phone and service is irrelevant compared to increased productivity and the cost of the technology necessary to make up for the lack of functionality of a flip phone. For some people, a cave man phone is adequate...even a badge of curmudgeonly stubborness. Doesn't work for me or my partners, however.

Relative to Apple...jumped the shark...I don't know...they aren't the exciting innovators they once were, but none of the other tech players are doing any more innovation than Apple. Some of them are better than others at expanding on things that Apple has already done. Apple remains an exceedingly potent force in tech circles. Apple Named 'World's Most Admired Company' for 12th Year in a Row

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I love that comment... "lack of functionally..."
I donno... just what IS the function of a "phone?" I dare say it is to make phone calls, and for that, the old flip phones, with days and days of battery capacity and physical buttons you could find blindfolded, and one touch speed dialing... did that quite well.

Now is a smartphone just a phone... no, not hardly, they are small powerful computers... but are they efficient as mere phones... not really.
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Utter lack of functionality, and the current crop of smart phones are infinitely better communication devices. If all I wanted/needed a portable communication device to do was make phone calls then a flip phone would be fine. I’ve had many. But time marches on and now I can have a communication device AND a computer in a device that’s the same size, and which provides me with more computer functionality than the computer I had way back when I got my first flip phone. Why in the world would I want to go back to the 1990’s ? That StarTAC (which by the way cost as much as the iPhone Xs I just bought) was very useful to me, but that was 20+ years ago when there wasn’t anything better.

I’m sure there are people, somewhere, who only need their phone for that one simple purpose. Perhaps a flip phone is all some people need but relative to my needs, its ability to only make phone calls is sadly pathetic and is of such limited usefulness to me that I view them as the ancient technology curiosity that they are, of historical interest only..

As to the comparable functionality you tout - the ability to dial it in the dark and one-touch dialing....I can dial my iPhone blindfolded too, and I don't even have to touch it. In fact, I don't even have to have it in my hand at all. “Hey Siri....”

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I'm quite happy to leave smart behind out of the house, but I'm extremely tired of NPR talking about DC and don't even take my little radio out anymore. Around here people will let you use their phones...
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As to the comparable functionality you tout - the ability to dial it in the dark and one-touch dialing....I can dial my iPhone blindfolded too, and I don't even have to touch it. In fact, I don't even have to have it in my hand at all. “Hey Siri....”

So you don't even have to unlock your phone for siri to work?
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So you don't even have to unlock your phone for siri to work?
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I miss my rotary phone and having only 3 tv channels.
You could wallop your husband with one of those things without hurting it a bit . . . the phone that is. And I don't seem to miss TV channels at all.

I paid about $65 with shipping for an in-the-box unlocked LG G3 D850 with 32GB & 4G LTE

If there's anything I need that it won't do I dunno what it is yet.
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Yeah, until they can star trek "transport" you, I really can't imagine what other features one could need or want.
9 cameras... indeed.

Oh wait... unlimited battery... let me know when that feature is available.
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