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Old 01-23-19, 11:44 AM
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FWIW: Rugby players do get injured, too.
I am fascinated by the two groups of rugby players: Those that basically duct-tape their ears down, and the rest who have disgusting 'cauliflower ear'
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How long until headers will be made illegal in Soccer?
They have, for U12 and under.

My kid has played soccer since he was little and it's made me a big fan. I wish it had been available to me when I was a kid. Instead, I played the big 3 USA sports: baseball, basketball, and football. I loved playing football but I really didn't have the body type. It doesn't bother me at all that my son hasn't had any interest in it.

Interestingly enough, he's trying out rugby this winter. He's skinny but fast and a good soccer defender so they put him at fullback for rugby. And the fact that he can kick. So far, I'm impressed with the culture surrounding rugby. There's a real sense of gentlemanly fairplay.
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This inconsequential former fan of American football and fantasia football agrees that this sport is doomed at all levels.
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Old 01-23-19, 01:34 PM
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I see your generic sports video satire, and raise you a generic sports comic strip satire:

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The NFL lost me a long time ago. The blatant attempts to win at any cost, including the recruitment of thugs, felons, wife abusers, animal abusers, and PED abusers was simply more than I could tolerate. No doubt there are many decent, law abiding athletes in the NFL, but the field is polluted, and for me, the damage is done. Maybe it’s me, but cheering for a guy on Sunday after reading about his criminal behavior the week before just doesn’t sit right.


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Only eight months to go:

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/
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Old 01-25-19, 11:55 AM
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I could live with just Rugby, no problem.

FWIW: Rugby players do get injured, too.
When I was in college I ended up at a few parties with some rugby players. Those guys really knew how to let loose and were a lot more interesting than the football players.
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Old 01-25-19, 02:25 PM
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Just saw this timely article on the Canadian Broadcasting Corp's website:
\Football coaches struggle to recruit young players as more parents heed warnings about brain injury risks

TBH, I haven't watched a full NFL game in years. The brain trauma thing sort of sealed the deal for me. I feel like I'm aiding and abetting if I'm watching. The Superbowl is on for the commercials. I probably shouldn't even have that on, now that I think about it.

Then there's this guy:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ics-tournament

My daughter did robotics through FIRST Robotics and had a great experience. She learned teamwork, time management, financial management, and it spurred her onto pursuing an engineering degree. The guy who founded FIRST contends that in high school sports, very, very few kids go on to a career in their sport. In these robotic competitions, every participant has the opportunity to "turn pro." And there are a lot of male students involved in these programs. Highly recommended, in my book.

Cool video:

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Old 01-25-19, 07:37 PM
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Altair4, my son and his friend started a First team at a local high school. The First Robotics name in his resume landed him internships as a freshman college kid working alongside juniors! After a couple year stint with Microsoft he is now happily working at a start up in Seattle.

He tried football, but was not into the mentality needed to play the game. Didn't think he was learning anything valuable. He joined a rival high school's robotics team and knew he found that magical "it" and the next year put together everything needed to create a First team at his buddies high school. That first year they took the state and went to nationals in Atlanta. One heck of a ride for those kids. The team is still going strong and winning, too.

As I said to him at the time, it is athletics of the mind. The kids learn how to operate the team as a business. Requires serious amounts of teamwork, egos get checked at the door. The competitions are off the chart fun! Far more entertaining to watch than any other sport. Crazy atmosphere.
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Old 01-26-19, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TiHabanero View Post
Altair4, my son and his friend started a First team at a local high school. The First Robotics name in his resume landed him internships as a freshman college kid working alongside juniors! After a couple year stint with Microsoft he is now happily working at a start up in Seattle.

He tried football, but was not into the mentality needed to play the game. Didn't think he was learning anything valuable. He joined a rival high school's robotics team and knew he found that magical "it" and the next year put together everything needed to create a First team at his buddies high school. That first year they took the state and went to nationals in Atlanta. One heck of a ride for those kids. The team is still going strong and winning, too.

As I said to him at the time, it is athletics of the mind. The kids learn how to operate the team as a business. Requires serious amounts of teamwork, egos get checked at the door. The competitions are off the chart fun! Far more entertaining to watch than any other sport. Crazy atmosphere.
Have you been to any of the World Championships? We've been to several in St. Louis and in Detroit. My daughter's team has made it to Worlds every year since the team started and they've rocked the Edward Jones arena and Ford Field. It's awesome to to see thousands of kids wearing their team logos and colors and cheering each other on. Every place we've been for competitions, locally or out of state, we always hear compliments on the behavior of the robotics kids at the hotels and restaurants.
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Old 01-26-19, 09:00 PM
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Maybe Ultimate (aka 'frisbee football') can rise up in its place.
A few years ago someone started a professional Ultimate league. They decided they needed referees. Intentional fouls and “the flop” arrived about ten seconds later.
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You mean we won't get to see this anymore?

Man Earl took that guys soul with that. It ain't legal anymore actually so you won't see it anyway.

Insurance problems also killed the Coors Classic series bicycle stage races which were heavily dependent on criteriums and circuit races as spectator friendly..... except for when they crashed into spectators.

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When I was in college I ended up at a few parties with some rugby players. Those guys really knew how to let loose and were a lot more interesting than the football players.
Back in my college days I ran on the track team and the school's intramural rugby team practiced/had games of the neighboring field (no football team at the school). They'd start practice later than we would, so we'd watch some of it (and the home games** and eventually picked up on how it was played. It was 11-man rugby, but today's seven-man 'Rubgy Sevens' is WAY faster and more exciting than the old 11-man game, and its supposed to be in the Olympics starting next year as a 'demo' sport.
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Old 01-28-19, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
A few years ago someone started a professional Ultimate league. They decided they needed referees. Intentional fouls and “the flop” arrived about ten seconds later.
Actually, there are two profesional leagues (yes with officials and flopping, but even high-end club/college competition uses 'observers'). San Diego has an American Ultimate Disc League (AUDL) team, called the Growlers (mascot is a coyote named Phil -- Phil the Growler, get it?). The other league is Major League Ultimate (MLU). I forget which one is more top-down, league-control, and the other is more individual team/owner controlled.

Surely one of the leagues will fold in a few years, and hopefully get absorbed by the other. A few cities even have a team in each league.
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I would argue that in football, tackle IS the sport. It’s not just that the guy is throwing the ball, he’s throwing it in the moment before he gets creamed. Same for the guy who catches it and runs away. If no one is getting tackled, do I want to wait for all the resets and TV time outs and halftime? That’d be slower than baseball with no reward. There are lots of other non tackle sports that have more playing and a faster pace and are more fun to watch. I prefer basketball to hockey but they compete for the same niche.
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do I want to wait for all the resets and TV time outs and halftime? That’d be slower than baseball with no reward.
I'd be more interested in watching football if it was edited down to an actual 60 minutes of clock time (less, actually, if you trim it all the way down to snap-to-down only, no running clock between any plays).

Probably not enough more interested to actually watch it, but you know, more interested than now.
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I'd be more interested in watching football if it was edited down to an actual 60 minutes of clock time (less, actually, if you trim it all the way down to snap-to-down only, no running clock between any plays).

Probably not enough more interested to actually watch it, but you know, more interested than now.
I recall seeing a baseball game cut that way. Basically down to the time that the ball was in the air. Even the wind up and the follow through of every swing were cut.
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That's a bit extreme -- did they also cut out the fractions of seconds that the ball is in a fielder's glove before throwing to 1st?

How long was it after that? Like 10-15min maybe?
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Bay Area Sports Channel (a long time ago, before they were bought by Comcast) used to edit A's games down to 30 minutes. They showed every pitch, including the windup, and the natural time of the play, as I recall.
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I see these guys playing cricket on the bike path I ride on at times, and they are serious enough to have uniforms and teams. I've seen them off and on for about 5 years, but I've never seen them actually play. They're either standing around arguing about something, standing around talking or waiting for something. It's like someone made waiting at the airport a team sport. They seem like really nice guys, but I still don't know what cricket looks like when it's played.
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Nope. I think you've seen it. It makes baseball look frenetic.
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Trump ... does not favor his own son, 12-year-old Barron, playing the game at the youth level.

“I would have a hard time with it,” Trump said in in an interview scheduled to air during no less than CBS’s Super Bowl pregame show.

“If he wanted to? Yes. Would I steer him that way? No, I wouldn’t,” Trump said when asked if he’d allow Barron to play. There is no indication that Barron does play football at the youth level.

“I just don’t like the report that I see coming out having to do with football,” Trump continued. “I mean, it’s a dangerous sport and I think it’s … really tough. I thought the equipment would get better, and it has. The helmets have gotten far better but it hasn’t solved the problem.

“So, you know, I hate to say it because I love to watch football,” Trump said. “I think the NFL is a great product, but I really think that as far as my son, well, I’ve heard NFL players saying they wouldn’t let their sons play football.”
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
well, there's always this......

I had a thought a while ago that the NFL should try making the Pro Bowl or whatever it's called into a touch football game. It would probably make it competitive and interesting.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsegJVLrmk8

You mean we won't get to see this anymore?

Man Earl took that guys soul with that. It ain't legal anymore actually so you won't see it anyway.

Insurance problems also killed the Coors Classic series bicycle stage races which were heavily dependent on criteriums and circuit races as spectator friendly..... except for when they crashed into spectators.
It's probably illegal because it would be pretty easy to actually kill someone like that. Crack the sternum, push it into his heart or lungs, game over. Shoulder pads should come down that far, but if they moved or something ...

And, yeah, people (well, guys) used to die all the time playing football. I was looking through old sports pages from the early 1930s a while back, and I was a little shocked to see an article in a Texas newspaper that talked about "the first death" of the football season. Sheesh.
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