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Old 01-27-19, 10:42 PM
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Donít understand social classes

I donít understand why we have to put people in social classes I simply donít care how much money you have etc etc. Everyone is equal to me and if you treat me with respect I will treat you with respect in return. I guess Iím tired of everything having to be subdivided into categories like the lower, lower middle, middle, upper middle , lower high or whatever. I just donít care Any thoughts? Iím just curious.
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Do you really think MTBers who use a lift are equal?
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Old 01-27-19, 11:27 PM
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Humans are generally social creatures. All social creatures develop hierarchical societies.

It would be nice if we outgrew our primitive instincts, drives and compulsions, but the problem is that each new generation starts back from zero and has a limited time to clamber onto the shoulders of the giants of the previous generation. Most folks never rise above the ground level of personal experience and are vulnerable to the arrogance of experience -- the notion that their limited experience qualifies them to make broad generalizations about everything and to impose limitations on the potential for human growth.
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Do you really think MTBers who use a lift are equal?

thatís cheating!
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Humans are generally social creatures. All social creatures develop hierarchical societies.

It would be nice if we outgrew our primitive instincts, drives and compulsions, but the problem is that each new generation starts back from zero and has a limited time to clamber onto the shoulders of the giants of the previous generation. Most folks never rise above the ground level of personal experience and are vulnerable to the arrogance of experience -- the notion that their limited experience qualifies them to make broad generalizations about everything and to impose limitations on the potential for human growth.
I hear ya. I have a younger silver spoon neighbor that I personally like but has the tendency to rub people the wrong way without even knowing it. I say he doesnít know anything else so he canít relate and comes across a arrogant and a know it all.
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I donít understand why we have to put people in social classes I simply donít care how much money you have etc etc. Everyone is equal to me and if you treat me with respect I will treat you with respect in return. I guess Iím tired of everything having to be subdivided into categories like the lower, lower middle, middle, upper middle , lower high or whatever. I just donít care Any thoughts? Iím just curious.
Y'all didn't grow up in the South, did you? Here in the South. and in most places in the US, the court system is rigged to favor those with the financial muscle to buy justice. Lack of financial juice leads to further poverty for the family of the accused and, more times than not, the incarcerated. The justice system, especially as practiced in the American South was designed to keep black and brown people from advancing socially. I has lead to a multi-generational experience of fatherless households and institutional poverty.

I imagine everywhere has developed class based on inherited wealth, generational access to superior education opportunities and the social contacts that accompany that experience. Take away inheritance and make education strictly merit based, and Shazaam! a more egalitarian society.

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I donít understand why we have to put people in social classes I simply donít care how much money you have etc etc. Everyone is equal to me and if you treat me with respect I will treat you with respect in return. I guess Iím tired of everything having to be subdivided into categories like the lower, lower middle, middle, upper middle , lower high or whatever. I just donít care Any thoughts? Iím just curious.
Without the dynamic of social stratification, Breaking Away would just be a boring bike movie.
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Hondo Texas has a long sad history of rail roading Hispanics in the court systems I know the social classes exist I just don’t care about them.
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I like being able to tell how much better off I am than others.
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There is no such thing as equals. But if somehow something forced us all to be equal...the world would be extremely boring place as Deal4Fuji alluded to.

Imagine a world of no diversity.
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Humans aren't very adept at "celebrating diversity" while also achieving equality or parity. This conflict is as old as recorded history, and epitomized by the shibboleth anecdote in Judges 12:4-6. That's why I look down on my first ex-wife and her hillbilly family. Because they pronounce shrimp "srimp." Heathens. Smite them all.
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Imagine a world of no diversity.
Diversity and equality are not necessarily mutually exclusive when it come to social classification, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.
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The nation had more social classes when it was wealthier, with many grades of skin color, family heritage, occupation, etc. We will eventually get down to three: poor farmers, middle class (traders, soldiers, scholars, etc.) and aristocrats.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
I donít understand why we have to put people in social classes I simply donít care how much money you have etc etc. Everyone is equal to me and if you treat me with respect I will treat you with respect in return. I guess Iím tired of everything having to be subdivided into categories like the lower, lower middle, middle, upper middle , lower high or whatever. I just donít care Any thoughts? Iím just curious.
I'm with you. Fair-minded meritocrats like you and me are just on another level compared to all those classists out there
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Old 01-28-19, 06:59 PM
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Without the dynamic of social stratification, Breaking Away would just be a boring bike movie.
Amen!
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The nation had more social classes when it was wealthier, with many grades of skin color, family heritage, occupation, etc. We will eventually get down to three: poor farmers, middle class (traders, soldiers, scholars, etc.) and aristocrats.
There won't be any poor farmers. Those days are gone. Farms are mostly corporate owned, with a lot of automation other than low paid migrant pickers who won't be classified as "farmers".

There will be a few artisan or boutique farmers, mostly raising prestige crops like hemp and medicinal/recreational cannabis, but they'll be among the vanishingly small middle class. At least until Big Tobacco takes over the cannabis industry with government sanctioned monopolies, eliminating even artisan farming as a way up from poverty to middle class.

The tiny middle class will be law enforcement, military, bureaucrats, federally manipulated universities, researchers and scientists working almost solely for the government and military... only the smallest number of jobs and people necessary for reification of the hierarchy.

Outside of that narrow range, there are no professional scholars. My dad and some close friends were among the last of that class of academia. It's all been dismantled, with a tiny handful of professional scholars remaining. Aides and student teachers do most of the meatspace work now. And judging from stories from my dad and recently retired teacher friend, conventional teaching has become a lost cause.

The new poor will be almost completely unemployed and unemployable. The only question is whether some form of a universal subsistence will be used to pacify them, or whether the power elite will simply abandon them as hopeless. In which case the new middle class will be mob bosses, organized crime officers, warlords, drug cartels and fanatical militarized religious cults -- same as always throughout human history. Victory lends a veneer of respectability to yesteryear's criminal class.
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Y'all didn't grow up in the South, did you? Here in the South. and in most places in the US, the court system is rigged to favor those with the financial muscle to buy justice. Lack of financial juice leads to further poverty for the family of the accused and, more times than not, the incarcerated. The justice system, especially as practiced in the American South was designed to keep black and brown people from advancing socially. I has lead to a multi-generational experience of fatherless households and institutional poverty.

I imagine everywhere has developed class based on inherited wealth, generational access to superior education opportunities and the social contacts that accompany that experience. Take away inheritance and make education strictly merit based, and Shazaam! a more egalitarian society.

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respectfully disagree.. especially with the comment of fatherless. No matter how poor , the father and mother can be , they can be there for the child. I beleive it is a choice ,, or lifestyle chosen. Yes you can be kept out of certain jobs, but you can get a job. I have done work for a sewer rodding company, for almost a year after the birth of my son. I just seemed to not be able to get a high paying job at that time for some reason. This job was barely over minimum wage. We sure earned it, rodding main sewer lines on high rise building at time, large restaurants, etc. ,We had all races working for this small shop and we pooled together as the owner was a bit of a tyrant. So I do see a class system as in what college you went to can get your foot in the door, but as far as America perpetuating a class fatherless system in the south just not buying it...
I think the new class system, if there is such a thing, is universities and fraternities, and sororities. It depends where you graduated from as to where you get your job or at least your foot in the door , so to speak.

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Hondo Texas has a long sad history of rail roading Hispanics in the court systems I know the social classes exist I just donít care about them.
That probably makes life a bit easier for you... If you don't have to deal with it day to day, it's easy to ignore.
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