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Old 01-30-19, 04:31 AM
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Snow absorbs sound. Any snow covered park would be quiet at distance from roads. My bedroom in a snowy neighborhood would be quiet if I turn off my laptop.
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Not surprisingly, there is a strong correlation between sound pollution maps and light pollution maps.
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Speaking of "dark," while not blackout dark, per a cave, but again, lack of man made light... camping deep in Baja... the night sky was just awesome. The only darker sky I've experienced is way out to sea.
The first time my wife and I vacationed in the U.P. We were in awe of the nighttime sky. I venture to say most Americans have never actually seen the Milky Way.
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Snow absorbs sound. Any snow covered park would be quiet at distance from roads. My bedroom in a snowy neighborhood would be quiet if I turn off my laptop.
I think we are speaking of vastly different levels of quiet here. Yes, indeed snow does add an eerie silence to the landscape. But unless you are far away from homes with running heaters, overhead airplanes, humming electrical transformers, cars and all other man made electrical and mechanical objects, you are not experiencing that ultimate quiet. Even your running refrigerator, deep in your house, and a some what distant, however lighly traveled, highway, all contribute man made sound.
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Tinnitus . means its never quiet any where ..
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Tinnitus . means its never quiet any where ..
Typically, tinnitus is the result of exposure to loud noises, ear trauma, infection, or anemia.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20350156

The cause could be constant exposure to loud noises...
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It can be very quiet around me in the woods in western PA. The hills and the trees block most sounds from the distances when you're in the middle of the woods.
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Is it so quiet you can hear the aliens abduct farmers?
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Tinnitus . means its never quiet any where ..
Exactly. And it doesn't just happen to metalheads and construction or factory workers.
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
The first time my wife and I vacationed in the U.P. We were in awe of the nighttime sky. I venture to say most Americans have never actually seen the Milky Way.
Same thing in the middle of the deserts of the southwestern USA. The night sky is packed with stars, planets, nebulas, and the huge band of the Milky Way is as obvious as it can be.
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That's right. When I go backpacking in AZ the only time I don't see the Milky Way is full moon or clouds.
Darkest sky I have ever seen was at ~12,000ft in Argentina near the Bolivian border. The Milky Way looked 3D (of course it is) and it seemed like you could reach into it.
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Exactly. And it doesn't just happen to metalheads and construction or factory workers.
Indeed, long term exposure to things as commonplace as computer fans and office noise can result in tinnitus.
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as well as driving with open windows.
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as well as driving with open windows.
Or motorcycling. I always wear earplugs for trips longer than my crosstown commute. The wind noise alone is reason enough for me to wear a helmet. Even my half helmet (think CHiPs) helps a lot.
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It can be very quiet around me in the woods in western PA. The hills and the trees block most sounds from the distances when you're in the middle of the woods.
There are some spots on the Allegheny River Trail and the Armstrong Trail that you can just about reach that level of quietness. I had that experience while on the Armstrong Trail two summers ago on a mid-day, mid-week ride. While eating my lunch, I suddenly realized that the only sounds I could discern were from the wind, birds, insects, and the river. No cars, no planes, no other people, no bikes, no nothing. It was an idyllic spot for lunch. That moment is one of the reasons I ride.

I've experienced dead silence while exploring Laurel Caverns. Once, as a teenager, we were really deep into the unlit segment. We turned off our lights and sat silently. The only sensation was the rushing swish, swish of blood in our ears. It was interesting to contemplate how much rock and earth were over our heads. It totally freaked one of my buddies who found that experience extremely uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by bobwysiwyg View Post
The first time my wife and I vacationed in the U.P. We were in awe of the nighttime sky. I venture to say most Americans have never actually seen the Milky Way.
We had the same experience while in Utah at Capitol Reef National Park. I do a little amatuer astronomy at home and feel pretty comfortable under the night sky. But out there, it was like a totally different sky. It took me a while to just get oriented and then I couldn't believe the stuff I could see naked eye. I remember telling my wife, "ya know, there's too many stars out there!"
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Speaking of "dark," while not blackout dark, per a cave, but again, lack of man made light... camping deep in Baja... the night sky was just awesome. The only darker sky I've experienced is way out to sea.
My exwifes parents have a place on the beach in northern Wisconsin. We'd lay out on the beach in the dark and look up at the stars to see things we wouldn't see at home.
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That's one of the things I looked for when buying an acreage in Alberta. I didn't want to be able to hear anything except the birds and the wind through the trees. We ended up find the perfect acreage (for us) basically in a huge forest. We do have neighbours, but they're far enough away that we don't hear them ... except if they start a loud vehicle ... which luckily happens rarely. The only other sound that we hear is the occasional airplane that flies overhead. Other than that, I have spent many summer afternoons and evenings lying on a lounger outside listening to nature ... no other sounds. It's an amazingly relaxing experience, especially since prior to this acreage I have only lived within loud cities. Another perk is being able to view the sky with very little light pollution.
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Originally Posted by Altair 4 View Post
There are some spots on the Allegheny River Trail and the Armstrong Trail that you can just about reach that level of quietness. I had that experience while on the Armstrong Trail two summers ago on a mid-day, mid-week ride. While eating my lunch, I suddenly realized that the only sounds I could discern were from the wind, birds, insects, and the river. No cars, no planes, no other people, no bikes, no nothing. It was an idyllic spot for lunch. That moment is one of the reasons I ride.

I've experienced dead silence while exploring Laurel Caverns. Once, as a teenager, we were really deep into the unlit segment. We turned off our lights and sat silently. The only sensation was the rushing swish, swish of blood in our ears. It was interesting to contemplate how much rock and earth were over our heads. It totally freaked one of my buddies who found that experience extremely uncomfortable.
Toby Creek trail between Ridgway and Brockway. The middle 6 miles you feel like the only person left on earth.

Never been in Laurel Caverns, want to visit sometime. I was in the anechoic chamber at NIST on a field trip for school. Talk about eerie. The guy doing the tour turned 90 away from you and you couldn't hear him talk at all from 5 feet away. On top of that, you're standing on a wire mesh screen that you can't see. It was extremely disorienting.
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Indeed, long term exposure to things as commonplace as computer fans and office noise can result in tinnitus.
And sometimes it has nothing whatsoever to do with the sounds you were exposed to. Sometimes tinnitus is just genetic, and/or a side-effect of sensory-neural hearing loss.

In one of life's tragic ironies, I spent 20 years as a professional audio engineer and musician (plus 10 years as a amateur before that), so when I wasn't onstage playing amplified music I was either manning the mixing console out in front of all those speakers, or in the recording studio control room listening to amplified music reproduction. 8-12 hour days of loud music exposure for decades on end. My wife, conversely, almost never went to concerts growing up, didn't even own a stereo, doesn't even like rock music... Guess which one of us suffers from both tinnitus and hearing loss?
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Darkest sky I have ever seen was at ~12,000ft in Argentina near the Bolivian border. The Milky Way looked 3D (of course it is) and it seemed like you could reach into it.
July 19, 2006. Canon 30D w/15mm FE @ f2.8, 30s, ISO1600.

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July 19, 2006. Canon 30D w/15mm FE @ f2.8, 30s, ISO1600.
Beautiful shot!
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With tinnitus, there is no eerie, ultimate silence .....ever. But on the bright side we live out in the country neighbors are a mile or so away. The back deck is a great place to watch the night sky...
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July 19, 2006. Canon 30D w/15mm FE @ f2.8, 30s, ISO1600.
Surreal! Thanks for posting this.

That got me thinking of what the "lights-out" day is called.
It's actually a week-long event. This year, March 31-April 7.
https://www.darksky.org/dark-sky-week-2018/
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I don't think I've experienced an ultimate quiet in nature, there has been some sort of noise, wind in the trees or grass, rivers, streams or waterfalls, birds or some other wildlife making their presence known.
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