Go Back  Bike Forums > The Lounge > Foo
Reload this Page >

Lamest excuses I believe I've ever read as to why one should upgrade to windows 10

Foo Off-Topic chit chat with no general subject.

Lamest excuses I believe I've ever read as to why one should upgrade to windows 10

Reply

Old 02-12-19, 07:57 AM
  #1  
genec
genec
Thread Starter
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 26,244

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5867 Post(s)
Lamest excuses I believe I've ever read as to why one should upgrade to windows 10

An article on znet is discussing reasons to upgrade to win 10, and why one should leave a well tuned, well working win 7 set up and OS...

https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/art...to-windows-10/

"Well it's free..."​​​​​​
Uh sure, unless you are one of the millions of users that got a preloaded OS in your machine.

"The security is better."
Uh, right... unless you've already upgraded your security by using any number of superior security programs available from Norton, Mcafee, AGV and others.

"Your hardware is old."
Oh sure, if you haven't upgraded your machine on a regular basis... with new gaming quality video boards, SSD, RAM, etc. Yeah, if you are still using that 7 year old POS "office quality" machine... you should run right out and buy another bargin basement POS right now. Hell, you probably still use Internet Explorer.

"Microsoft is gonna drop support of Win 7 soon..."
OK. Uh hey, there are still folks using DOS out there.

And of course, the biggest upshot of them all...
"uh windows 10 is stable, now."
Right, until the next dumb service upgrade, that breaks it.

Have a nice day folks.

Last edited by genec; 02-12-19 at 08:27 AM.
genec is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 08:00 AM
  #2  
Lemond1985
Senior Member
 
Lemond1985's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 683
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 350 Post(s)
"It'll create JOBS for Indian programmers and Chinese factory workers."
Lemond1985 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 08:08 AM
  #3  
dynodonn 
Senior Discount Member
 
dynodonn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: U.S. of A.
Posts: 7,414
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1119 Post(s)
The last Windows 10 upgrade crashed and burned my computer, and thankfully I had a Windows 8.1 installation disc. I was able to repartition my computer with the Windows 8.1 disc, letting me have Mozilla back at full speed. I will go back to Windows 10 when they pry my cold dead computers from my fingers.
dynodonn is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 12:23 PM
  #4  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 18,510
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6996 Post(s)
I can't imagine still using Windows 7. It was very good for it's time, but no thanks. 10 is stable and mature, and very convenient.

Plus for me personally, staying abreast of the Microsoft stack is important.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 05:07 PM
  #5  
Zedoo
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 304

Bikes: several

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 679 Post(s)
Lamest excuses for still using Windows
Zedoo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 05:28 PM
  #6  
Zedoo
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 304

Bikes: several

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 679 Post(s)
My next upgrade could be Mint 19.1 or Peppermint 9. Peppermint 8 had a bug, so I'm curious did they fix that yet.
Zedoo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-19, 05:57 PM
  #7  
BenzFanatic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Chicagoland area
Posts: 81
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
I despised the reminders when I had an 8.1 machine, but I like 10 as a fairly heavy average user. IE is trash as are a few other stock utilities, but that's always true.
BenzFanatic is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 02:23 AM
  #8  
genec
genec
Thread Starter
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 26,244

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5867 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I can't imagine still using Windows 7. It was very good for it's time, but no thanks. 10 is stable and mature, and very convenient.

Plus for me personally, staying abreast of the Microsoft stack is important.
7 works quite well, and nearly half the Windows users out there are still using it. Microsoft has to push, and now cut off features to get folks to leave it.
genec is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 09:02 AM
  #9  
dynodonn 
Senior Discount Member
 
dynodonn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: U.S. of A.
Posts: 7,414
Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1119 Post(s)
Originally Posted by genec View Post
7 works quite well, and nearly half the Windows users out there are still using it. Microsoft has to push, and now cut off features to get folks to leave it.
My former employer is still using it for his business, but I hear a major update is in the works, since the extended support ends in January 2020.
dynodonn is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 10:06 AM
  #10  
noisebeam
Al
 
noisebeam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: AZ
Posts: 14,587

Bikes: Cannondale SuperSix, Lemond Poprad. Retired: Jamis Sputnik, Centurion LeMans Fixed, Diamond Back ascent ex

Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3165 Post(s)
I got 7 on my non internet home machine. Not sure what I am missing or if I moved to a new OS if my system would remain stable.
noisebeam is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 10:32 AM
  #11  
DeceptivelySlow
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Blue Ridge Mountains
Posts: 100

Bikes: Two wheels; multiple gears

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
I was assimilated into Windows 10 when I purchased a new laptop. I just found out yesterday that Media player in Windows 10 will not play DVD's. Microsoft now will sell you a $15 app to play DVD's which I found somewhat infuriating. I downloading the VLC media player for free instead.

I recall an electronic billboard advertising a local computer repair shop saying they would stop the annoying Windows 10 download messages. I know without a doubt it is completely lost on Microsoft that you are not doing things right when customers don't want your product for free. However, generally speaking, corporate America esp. telecommunications/information technology looks at customers as breathing bags of money for which they look to squeeze every dime out and customer experience is devoid of any value (most of the time).

I think we have already seen MS is moving to having a monthly fee just to use their software.

End MS rant for today.
DeceptivelySlow is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 10:47 AM
  #12  
Aubergine 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Seattle and Reims
Posts: 2,640
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 640 Post(s)
I am a Mac user but run Windows 7 and 10 in emulation (using the excellent Parallels) so I can edit documents sent to me in WordPerfect. I think W7 is pretty nice. W10 has a few improvements (byeeeeeeee IE) but otherwise is just a different, somewhat confusing shell on top of the same old Windows. Dig a bit and you find the same text, graphics, and dialogs that were present in 3.1 and probably even earlier than that.
__________________
Keeping Seattle’s bike shops in business since 1978
Aubergine is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 11:44 AM
  #13  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 18,510
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6996 Post(s)
Originally Posted by genec View Post
7 works quite well, and nearly half the Windows users out there are still using it. Microsoft has to push, and now cut off features to get folks to leave it.
You can't expect them to support it forever, support is hugely expensive. But there's no reason you can't use it without support if it's working for you. You bought it outright, it's yours even if they make new ones.

For me personally, it makes sense for career reasons to run the latest Windows.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 11:53 AM
  #14  
wgscott
VectorPotential sensitive
 
wgscott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: The Timbers of Fennario (CL77)
Posts: 4,229

Bikes: Steel

Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2226 Post(s)
Every time they phone me up to help me with my computer problems (which they have an uncanny ability to detect, even when I never mentioned them to anyone), I wind up having to re-install my operating system and my bank account is drained.

I'm really beginning to think the pro-active telephone-support Windows has is a bit sketchy, and I have trouble understanding them sometimes, so we have to go over and over the instructions for installing a free VNC server.
wgscott is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 12:01 PM
  #15  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 18,510
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6996 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post
I am a Mac user but run Windows 7 and 10 in emulation (using the excellent Parallels) so I can edit documents sent to me in WordPerfect. I think W7 is pretty nice. W10 has a few improvements (byeeeeeeee IE) but otherwise is just a different, somewhat confusing shell on top of the same old Windows. Dig a bit and you find the same text, graphics, and dialogs that were present in 3.1 and probably even earlier than that.
A lot of change that's happened since 7 has been touch. A lot of people never use those features. The mouse cursor can get lost between multiple screens at different sizes, a touch interface is pretty nice if your hardware supports it.

Some of the new features and UI in the file explorer are pretty nice. The multitasking UI is much better. Other stuff too. But you're right that it's more evolution than revolution. Innovation means risk, you can destabilize things that used to work. I don't think Microsoft is in a position to innovate to anything like the degree Linux does. Too many copies running on too many disparate systems.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 01:44 PM
  #16  
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 39,636

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 167 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6193 Post(s)
Think of it as that Scene when the Protagonist is in the garbage compactor room, and the walls 2 of monopolies are closing in on you,

how will you escape.. ?
fietsbob is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 02:09 PM
  #17  
genec
genec
Thread Starter
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 26,244

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5867 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
You can't expect them to support it forever, support is hugely expensive. But there's no reason you can't use it without support if it's working for you. You bought it outright, it's yours even if they make new ones.

For me personally, it makes sense for career reasons to run the latest Windows.
I tend to agree with most of what you are saying... the biggest issues for me are the lost days reinstalling programs, setting up storage space, learning the stupid idiosyncrasies of the new OS, downloading and installing new drivers for printers plotters, video cards, etc and ultimately having to upgrade expensive software licenses for tools that work just fine now.

Gawd, I've been doing this since DOS 3.whatever, and rarely has there been any real productivity improvement.

My system is quite well tuned right now... and it doesn't need any upgrades, per se., in spite of what MS believes.

And I am certainly not alone in this... as I mentioned earlier, nearly half the windows users out there are still quite comfortable with Win7. That 50% line was just crossed over recently.

I've NEVER just had an upgrade install properly over an existing OS, and have my tools work properly. Oh sure, the OS works... but you can't be productive on an OS alone.

I'll end up doing what I have done so many expensive times before, and buy and setup a new machine, and network everything together, and slowly migrate over... maybe, at Win 11.
genec is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 02:54 PM
  #18  
Zedoo
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 304

Bikes: several

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 679 Post(s)
My first linux was Mepis. I kept it long after Mepis support ended. Moving my files was inconvenient, but now I store them externally. Installing is routine now, so I may boot a distro for curiosity and wipe it a few hours later.
Zedoo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 03:02 PM
  #19  
CliffordK
Senior Member
 
CliffordK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
Posts: 21,461
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7823 Post(s)
I've got Windows 10 on this machine.

It works OK, although oddly the Solitaire game crashes regularly if I use it. Can't Microsoft even make a simple solitaire game stable?

Something between Firefox & Windows has a memory management issue.

Hopefully I'll be returning to Fedora shortly. Nice to see new stuff in Linux, but I get a bit tired of their 2 major releases a year thing. And, then rapidly retiring the old versions. It is like they have new versions out, then retire them quicker than even the 3rd party software developers can keep up.
CliffordK is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 04:05 PM
  #20  
Rollfast
What happened?
 
Rollfast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Around here somewhere
Posts: 7,130

Bikes: 3 Rollfasts, 3 Schwinns, a Shelby and a Higgins Flightliner in a pear tree!

Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1353 Post(s)
The directory title only got to Windows 1...
__________________
I don't know Everything...I've just been at it long enough to know why it's probably messed up.
Rollfast is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 04:14 PM
  #21  
genec
genec
Thread Starter
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 26,244

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5867 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
The directory title only got to Windows 1...
Yeah... must be a Microsoft thing, eh. Remember the old 8.3 file names. Hell, I still don't use spaces in file names.
genec is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 04:20 PM
  #22  
CliffordK
Senior Member
 
CliffordK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
Posts: 21,461
Mentioned: 146 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7823 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
The directory title only got to Windows 1...
I do remember seeing a person using Windows 2. No mouse, keyboard for moving the cursor.

And, then there was Windows 3 & 3.11 which were quite popular.

I'm not quite sure why one would ever need anything beyond that.

Imagine running Windows 3.11 designed for a 4.77 MHZ computer, 640 KB RAM, with a 10 MB HD...

And putting it on a computer with a 4 GHZ CPU (multi-core) 64 GB RAM, and a 10 TB HD.


Last edited by CliffordK; 02-13-19 at 04:24 PM.
CliffordK is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 04:29 PM
  #23  
LesterOfPuppets
cowboy, steel horse, etc
 
LesterOfPuppets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rock Springs, WY
Posts: 32,005

Bikes: everywhere

Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3557 Post(s)
I'm sticking with 7 until programs I need won't run on it.

I have 10 on a laptop, but I hate laptops.
LesterOfPuppets is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 04:35 PM
  #24  
noisebeam
Al
 
noisebeam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: AZ
Posts: 14,587

Bikes: Cannondale SuperSix, Lemond Poprad. Retired: Jamis Sputnik, Centurion LeMans Fixed, Diamond Back ascent ex

Mentioned: 45 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3165 Post(s)
I have win 3.1 on an old pc at home that I boot up about once per year. I do need to pull the not very important data from it and junk it. For example all my Garmin GPS watch data from way back when.
But when I do run it is is so strange. Even more frustrating I can't move files from it to a USB mem stick. All it has is floppy drive.
noisebeam is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-19, 04:39 PM
  #25  
RubeRad
Keepin it Wheel
 
RubeRad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 8,299

Bikes: Surly CrossCheck, Moto Fantom29 ProSL hardtail

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
At work, I'm one of a handful out of maybe 100 software developers that is still on 7. Once in a while someone notices and says I should upgrade, and I say 'but we need at least a couple win7 boxes around here in case we get bugs that only reproduce on windows 7!"

I don't like change. And I don't like Windows. Home computers are all linux.
RubeRad is online now  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service