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Old 03-25-19, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
I was gonna post something similar to that. It's funny how each new version of Windows automatically doubles the RAM requirements, but the OS never gets any faster. I remember one time playing around and getting Win 98 to run on a newer processor a few years back, and that thing was the snappiest-responding computer you ever saw in your life.
Does "multi quote" not work any more?


Anyway, there is a neat video on YouTube where this fellow creates virtual machines to see what the lowest possible RAM to boot is. Much to his and (I figure) all that watched surprise, Win10 will boot with the lowest amount of RAM. Now, admittedly, that doesn't speak to opening anything else and running a program.
The thing often overlooked in that dept isn't that the Windows is taking up the RAM usage even though it certainly could. Programs and apps now use much more than they used to.

Personally am a Win10 fan, and love to build Windows PC. I feel I know my way around the OS to a respectable degree, and know what to turn off the get the most out of it. I also build with well spec'ed parts. With that said...M.2, every build in the house. No LESS than 16GB of RAM, 32 on the work and gaming boxes. Well spec processors. SSD for primary storage, and the only place I use HDD now is for long term/bulk storage...and Dropbox redundant file. Reading and writing to an SSD like you will with Dropbox is certain death.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
Does "multi quote" not work any more?
Works fine with MacOS.

Maybe it is another windows limitation.

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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
Works fine with MacOS.

Maybe it is another windows limitation.

You are probably right. I suspect PEBCAK
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Most frequent reasons for slow new computers I see are:

1. Needing updates.
2. Full of ****ware
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Old 03-26-19, 10:09 AM
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Buy a big......solid state hard drive or a smaller one with a mechanical drive and ONLY use the SSD for the operating system put all that other stuff on the mechanical
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A few years ago, I installed a paid version of Windows (probably win 7) after a hard drive failed. It had none of the added software that manufacturers include. Wow, that booted fast!

On a new machine, I go through the "add or remove programs" (just type "add" into the windows search near the start button -- it'll be the first choice)
I delete the antivirus -- macafee or whatever, it's never the one I use. And anything else from an outside source that might be a hog. That helps.

Performance monitor
On the bottom toolbar, find an empty space, right click, and select "task manager"
click Performance to see how busy your PC is.

Click Performance tab, then you can click a column heading to sort the processes by size.

I have 8GB. I fired up a few big memory apps:
firefox: 700mb
DxO photo editing: 1200mb
darktable photo edit: 500mb
thunderbird email: 200 mb

right now: 70% memory used. 5.5 gb of 7.9gb. 2.5 gb available
That's not overloaded.
But 16 gb could be useful.

I assume windows is like linux, which uses any excess memory to hold disk blocks in memory. yes--the task manager says "2.7GB cached". Then those portions of the disk don't need to go to the disk to read, they are already available.

These disk buffers can be instantly dumped and reused for any programs that need more memory, but meanwhile will speed up the machine a lot. And it's very flexible, keeping any recently used disk areas in memory, no need to tune it.

Some years ago, there would be linux questions: "vmstat shows almost no free memory, so I doubled it. It's still full --why?" And it was just the linux putting the excess memory to good use. Confusing at first.

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Old 03-26-19, 06:23 PM
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I switched to .5 TB SSD on 2-year old laptop and tower. Made a world of difference on startup and general operation. The hard drives were S.L.O.W.
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Old 03-26-19, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
My guess is SSD vs. conventional hard drive.
I helped a fried get a new computer.

8+ GB RAM
Quad Core???
Dual Drive, HDD for data, and SSD for system/swapping.

The thing is lightening fast.

And, I think it was all for about $500 for the base computer at Best Buy. A bit more for some accessories that seem to get piled on.

Right now, I picked up a used laptop. i7 3000 series (couple of years old), dual core. But, it came with 8GB ram, and a SSD. And, so far it tends to reasonably well.

I am a bit lazy with my WWW web window system, and get several windows open.

And, wow, they POUND on my HDD. Not sure why. I keep meaning to try to track it down. I thought virtual memory data swapping. It gets worse as the memory fills, but unless Windows is reporting memory funky, it should be fine up to about 150% to 200% memory for swapping. Yet, Firefox seems to blow up when I get up to about 90% memory.
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Old 03-26-19, 09:25 PM
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8 Gig of RAM is like having a two cylinder car. Fine if ya wanna go slow.

Think of RAM as the "working area" of your computer... 8G is like a TV tray... ya want some space to spread out your tasks... like a big old drafting table... more RAM!

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Old 03-27-19, 05:45 AM
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Thanks all. I was interested in the issue of how much open programs take up RAM so I opened a few and then used Activity Monitor on my macbook to see what was going on. On my mac I can actually have a few programs open yet at idle they are only using a small amount of Ram.

Since my current Macbook is useless without an external screen I was thinking that a cheap Windows laptop would be nice for the occasions when I really need a laptop. How does linux run on those cheap/small laptops?
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Old 03-27-19, 06:57 AM
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Good. There are versions that are designed to run on slower and older machines. Lubuntu is designed to work on very old systems such as Celeron and Pentium II with as little 128 mb of RAM, though obviously more is better.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu

I think any newer laptop ought to be able to run current versions Linux Mint or Ubuntu (or any other distro) just fine. My desktops and laptops running those OS'es never use more than 2 GB of RAM. Any processor faster than 1.5 Ghz or so will give you zero problems. But if you have a really old computer you don't want to throw out, something like Lubuntu is a good way of keeping it in service.

Let us know if you need help burning an installation DVD, that can be tricky if you have not done it before, but the installation process itself is easier than Windows once you clear that hurdle.
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Old 03-27-19, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
A few years ago, I installed a paid version of Windows (probably win 7) after a hard drive failed. It had none of the added software that manufacturers include. Wow, that booted fast!

On a new machine, I go through the "add or remove programs" (just type "add" into the windows search near the start button -- it'll be the first choice)
I delete the antivirus -- macafee or whatever, it's never the one I use. And anything else from an outside source that might be a hog. That helps.

Performance monitor
On the bottom toolbar, find an empty space, right click, and select "task manager"
click Performance to see how busy your PC is.

Click Performance tab, then you can click a column heading to sort the processes by size.

I have 8GB. I fired up a few big memory apps:
firefox: 700mb
DxO photo editing: 1200mb
darktable photo edit: 500mb
thunderbird email: 200 mb

right now: 70% memory used. 5.5 gb of 7.9gb. 2.5 gb available
That's not overloaded.
But 16 gb could be useful.

I assume windows is like linux, which uses any excess memory to hold disk blocks in memory. yes--the task manager says "2.7GB cached". Then those portions of the disk don't need to go to the disk to read, they are already available.

These disk buffers can be instantly dumped and reused for any programs that need more memory, but meanwhile will speed up the machine a lot. And it's very flexible, keeping any recently used disk areas in memory, no need to tune it.

Some years ago, there would be linux questions: "vmstat shows almost no free memory, so I doubled it. It's still full --why?" And it was just the linux putting the excess memory to good use. Confusing at first.
This is exactly how it works in Windows, too. It's there to be used.
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Old 03-27-19, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
Good. There are versions that are designed to run on slower and older machines. Lubuntu is designed to work on very old systems such as Celeron and Pentium II with as little 128 mb of RAM, though obviously more is better.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu

I think any newer laptop ought to be able to run current versions Linux Mint or Ubuntu (or any other distro) just fine. My desktops and laptops running those OS'es never use more than 2 GB of RAM. Any processor faster than 1.5 Ghz or so will give you zero problems. But if you have a really old computer you don't want to throw out, something like Lubuntu is a good way of keeping it in service.

Let us know if you need help burning an installation DVD, that can be tricky if you have not done it before, but the installation process itself is easier than Windows once you clear that hurdle.
Thanks. I'll be asking more questions if I decide to try Linux. This current Macbook has been my first laptop as I had always just used desktops. It was nice to be able to take it on holidays yet I didn't really do that much. Now since the screen is ruined its effectively just a desktop computer again.

An authorised Apple repairer wanted to charge $1000+ to replace the Retina screen and even though I had extended warranty they claimed that the screen wasn't covered. Even a non Apple store repairer wanted about $700 to replace the screen. I bought an external monitor for $200 instead.

The cheap Windows laptops are tempting but only if they can work without being hideously slow.
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Old 03-27-19, 06:19 PM
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Thanks. I'll be asking more questions if I decide to try Linux. This current Macbook has been my first laptop as I had always just used desktops. It was nice to be able to take it on holidays yet I didn't really do that much. Now since the screen is ruined its effectively just a desktop computer again.

An authorised Apple repairer wanted to charge $1000+ to replace the Retina screen and even though I had extended warranty they claimed that the screen wasn't covered. Even a non Apple store repairer wanted about $700 to replace the screen. I bought an external monitor for $200 instead.

The cheap Windows laptops are tempting but only if they can work without being hideously slow.
There are so many reasons why a Windows PC could be slow and regardless, if someone is happy with the Mac OS, I am not inclined to recommend they leave it.


But getting back to why a Windows PC could be slow, here are some reasons off the top of my head:


1. It comes with a cheap and weak CPU, like an Atom based CPU from Intel.


2. It has overzealous anti-virus/internet protection installed. I've encountered this issue multiple times in the past and it is a night and day difference when you change anti-virus and/or various settings.


3. In a workplace, you are loading files from a network/cloud drive, so things take much longer to load.


4. If it is a laptop, besides possibly some of the above reasons, if it lacks an SSD drive, it will definitely feel sluggish.


I have a 2012 4 core Ivy Bridge desktop based CPU running at 4.0Ghz(I overclocked it) and I have also installed a Sata based SSD drive and my machine is still very, very quick/responsive and I just have no excuse to update yet.
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User error is another reason Windows computers can run slow. Like many in here, I'm tech support for my friends and family. It's amazing that people will install all kinds of crap. Half a dozen toolbars in their browser. Somebody told me about this great plugin that finds you the best price on Amazon stuff - how can that not sound like a bad idea to anyone?
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I dunno, it always sounds easier to have something look for you than to use the dedicated search engine...probably the same people that believe there are 'secret menu items' at Starbucks and McDonalds that are 'so special' that they 'don't want the public to know'...

Before that it was special devices that were supposed to give you fantastic gas mileage for your big hulking automobile or stuff to make certain body parts larger for the opposite sex.

Oh, and don't forget making gold out of anything.
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+1 for Linux. But choose your distro wisely. Some come with Gnome 3 as default which is hungry for resources and slow. Something like Xubuntu or Lubuntu should be faster, especially on older hardware.
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They'd need more power to use those on the larger Americans. Especially the people of Walmart.
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First, most people just know "I need anti-virus" and thus all off-the-shelf units have either McAfee or Norton installed. That is what clogs up a new computer/laptop the most.

I have a laptop from 2015 running Windows 7. Bought my daughter a laptop and it has the new generation of i5 processor vs my 2015 i5 processor, and she has 12 mb RAM while I only have 8 and hers is Windows 10. Mom texted me and said our daughter didn't want to say anything to me since I bought it, but the laptop hardly runs. She brought it in the next time my girls were at my place and I had a look. First thing, which I didn't think about when I gave it to her, was to uninstall McAfee and the laptop was lightning fast after that.

I have basically the same laptop at work as my own at home. I fire it up at around 6:45 and can't do anything until 7:15 because it's still working on loading all the network crap and spy programs work has on it.
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One thing I don't understand about the problems with Windows 10 (and yes, I know it's not just Windows 10 but since that what most of us have to work with these days that's where the problems are) is why the laptop I use the most for work is effected much more by all of these forced updates. I have 2 at the office that are pretty similar, yet the one I use the most grinds to a halt a couple of times a week due to these updates and the other one doesn't. I'd much rather have the one I use the least suffer through these updates and be able to use the main one instead of having to wait for yet another reboot and then wait some more for the software to be ready.
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