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Old 03-25-19, 06:19 AM
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Why are some new Windows PC's so slow?

I don't wish to troll.
I've used Mac's for years and I've been happy with them up to now yet now I find myself in a situation where I should be getting ready for a new computer yet I'm not in a great financial position right now.
I'm contemplating a Windows based computer yet there are so many reviews of new Windows computers being so slow its not funny. I've been in office environments where I've used Windows PC's that were PAINFULLY slow yet I put that down to them being old computers still in service beyond their use by date.

Now I'm reading reviews of new Windows computers that are also painfully slow.
Even the cheapest and most basic Mac isn't THAT slow.

Anyone have the low down on this and what's required in a Windows computer for it to be reasonably responsive?
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Old 03-25-19, 06:38 AM
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Keep it off the internet. That's the only sure fire way I have found. Also, if you can do a "clean install" of just the operating system (without all the freeware and trial versions of software that are typically included on new PC's) that will speed up things too.
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Thanks, yet the Internet is my number one use of a computer. Staying offline isn't going to work for me.
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Or run Linux on it. Linux installations work flawlessly for years. Windows installations get slower and slower over time, by design, so you'll go out buy a new computer. So the slowness is really a feature and not a bug. Regularly re-installing the operating system. and installing only the software you absolutely need, is really about all you can do.
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Painfully slow when doing what task? Not for normal web browsing, email, docs and spreadsheets.

Games and photo editing can be slow, but those both benefit from a fast video card.

Post a link one of your "windows is slow" reviews.
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Find out what unnecessary programs and services are running in the background and kill them. Some Anti-Virus programs will run a full scan at startup which can make the first 3-5 minutes of computer use seem really slow.
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Did you install anti vax software? That can result in unintended complications.
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Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
Anyone have the low down on this and what's required in a Windows computer for it to be reasonably responsive?
Competition. Only Apple sells mac, but anybody can slap a PC together and sell it. Some compete on quality, others on price. You generally get what you pay for.

The most important hardware things in a Windows system are RAM (more is better), fast storage, and the CPU. It's also important not to have too much software running, including background processes. Finally, some software is poorly written.
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Old 03-25-19, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
Thanks, yet the Internet is my number one use of a computer. Staying offline isn't going to work for me.
My guess is SSD vs. conventional hard drive.

Apple's hardware certainly isn't any faster.

OS X (Mac OS) has a much better way of pre-loading processes in memory so that they only take resources on demand (launchd). That could help a bit.

I have Windows 8.1 running on a boot camp partition on my 2011 Mac mini. I don't use it much, but it was perfectly fine speed-wise out of the box (I did not tweak anything). My understanding was Windows 10 was better.

Having said that, I would put linux (probably Xubuntu) on a PC, because I need a unix operating system. Alternatively, one could try to make a hackintosh.
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Old 03-25-19, 11:04 AM
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Yeah, not really sure where you are coming up with or coming to this conclusion. I mirror WG's take that it probably has to do with a HDD, at least in part.

Windows machines come with a very wide variety of hardware and price points. There are machines being sold new, right now, that are on the back end of the tech wave and are barely capable of running W10. If you look on the front side of that wave there are machines that are more than capable of 10 and beyond.
One major difference with Mac is that they spec specific equipment that run their software and from a hardware perspective they spec decent stuff from a performance perspective. IIRC they also put SSD in everything they sell, which makes a HUGE difference in time waiting for things to happen (open, write, read, load)
I think you will find that if you spec a system similar in nature from a hardware perspective to that which you see in various Mac machines that your W10 experience will be very much similar, and certainly loads cheaper. Also, consider that right now a w10 machine without 8GB of RAM minimum and an SSD is somewhat inhibited.

IME, go with Core i series processors, or Ryzen processors. I wouldn't really consider buying "new" anything that was back more than a generation. Spec builds with SSD/m.2 and plenty of RAM. It's a FAR cry from some of the "junk" you see being pushed off on consumers and more likely where this review impression you are getting is coming from.

Something else to consider. First thing you should do with any new 'OEM' system is to turn on, make sure it works, then load a clean install of Windows DL from them direct. Manufacturer systems come packed with junk and redundancy. Even the stock load of Windows comes packed with a bunch of apps and items running the background that you don't need, as well as services that should be considered turned off. I always take my time to run through the start menu, take out all the bloat. Go to privacy and turn off a lot of what's in there, and go to "background processes" and turn much of that off too. It is a night and day difference, even on a highly capable system. There are loads of articles and videos about what to turn off and leave on according to your needs.

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Old 03-25-19, 11:09 AM
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Computers are now cloud-based. So when run a software, it has to go into the internet to execute the program. So if you have slow internet, than its bad. Thus, Need faster internet speed.
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
Or run Linux on it. Linux installations work flawlessly for years. Windows installations get slower and slower over time, by design, so you'll go out buy a new computer. So the slowness is really a feature and not a bug. Regularly re-installing the operating system. and installing only the software you absolutely need, is really about all you can do.
I put Linux on an aging Dell Laptop and it was amazingly fast. It was a 12 year old computer and yet, was faster than my wife's new Windows laptop. The only reason I canned it was it was a 32-bit machine and many websites I use now require 64-bit machines.

My home laptop is a chromebook with Crubuntu that lets be boot into linux. The Chrome OS is faster than Linux, but a little limited in functionality and app availability.

But if all you want is Internet, you really can't beat a Chromebook for speed and low cost.

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Old 03-25-19, 11:22 AM
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My business laptop is painfully slow at times too, often when Windows is performing one of it's many many updates. At least once a week and frequently more it will basically stop, and after a lengthy reboot I'll see yet another new picture on the first screen.
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I do high end ECAD work, and often when visiting a worksite for the first time I find I am issued the "typical" business Windows PC... I can't do a thing with those pieces of junk... except maybe email, word and web... yet these are the machines most office folks have, and are sold by the boatload to the typical consumer.

I have to fully concur with processor, SSD, RAM, and 64 bit OS and video touted by a few here.

Not all windows machines are created equal.

Buy one about the same price as your favorite Mac, and you'll likely get what you want.
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He doesn't have a PC. It's reports of slow computers.

Some posts mentioned Windows updates. Yeah, those can really slow the machine at times -- you'd think they would run at a low priority so we can get other work done.
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Or you could just simply buy a new Mac.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
Also, consider that right now a w10 machine without 8GB of RAM minimum and an SSD is somewhat inhibited.
I've been wondering what I should consider as minimum RAM in a Windows machine. Even phones are coming with 8 GB these days. I decided 16 would be wise.
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Often it's not the OS. It's the software/applications.

For example, if you're using Chrome browser, trying switching to Firefox Quantum for a couple of weeks. Huge difference in speed. Chrome used to be a fast browser but it's bogged down badly over the past couple of years, to the point that it's unusable on many sites, at least for entry level and midrange laptops. We shouldn't need a quad core processor and high end graphics just to surf.

I've used many photo editing programs and some are dreadful resource hogs, offering little value to offset the sluggish performance. That's software design, not OS or platform.

But Windows 10 does bog down occasionally due to daily security updates. It's pretty much unavoidable with rampant hacking. I try to schedule all my updates for the wee hours, but apparently Microsoft sometimes considers certain security updates to be so essential they override user preferences and push updates ASAP. That's a contentious point among some tech writers. But I'd rather leave it up to Microsoft. Despite some well-earned skepticism and infamy for bad decisions, Microsoft is still in a better position to know their business than most users and even tech writers.

At the moment I'm pondering what to do with my 2012 desktop, which is still running the soon-to-be-abandoned Windows 7. I preferred Win7 in many ways to Win10. But unless Microsoft offers a free update again, as they did a couple of years ago, I don't see myself paying for an update to Windows 10. I might finally commit to an alt-OS. I've dabbled with Linux variations before but none of them ran my primary photo editing software, Adobe. And none of the supposedly comparable photo editing/cataloging software was really on par with Lightroom.
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Thanks everyone for their replies. Yes I figured that some of it had to come down to price points so I was wondering what a reasonable minimum tech standard was.

My current Macbook Pro has only 4GB ram and is quite fast although it does have an SSD. Its screen is ruined though so I use an external monitor. Replacing a Retina screen is ridiculously expensive. I can buy a whole new Windows computer or laptop for less than the price of fixing my Macbook Pro screen so I was wondering about the value for money.

I have used Windows computers in workplaces that were horrendously slow but I had always put that down to them being old. Yes I was reading reviews of cheap new laptops/all in ones and the reviews were bad for even new machines so I was wondering what was going on.
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Workplace computers are running a lot of software that's invisible to the end user. Everything everybody is saying about Windows Update is going on in the background in most office networks except it's all your other software being updated, usually on a deferred schedule. Company has a policy that pushes out the regular updates to office, your VPN client, antivirus, etc. Competes are reporting health status of software components across the network. And then there's the spy on your employees software.
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I've been wondering what I should consider as minimum RAM in a Windows machine. Even phones are coming with 8 GB these days. I decided 16 would be wise.
As much as you can freakin pack into that baby. "You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much RAM." --I'm sure someone said that.
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Or you could just simply buy a new Mac.
As always... it really depends on what you wanna do with it. Remember when folks wanted to put their recipes on computers... hardly anyone had a computer in the kitchen then.


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Staying with a mac is a likely option for me. I'm thinking a Mac mini.
I was contemplating my options so was asking for advice and opinions.
Linux is something I should look into though.
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As much as you can freakin pack into that baby. "You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much RAM." --I'm sure someone said that.
I was gonna post something similar to that. It's funny how each new version of Windows automatically doubles the RAM requirements, but the OS never gets any faster. I remember one time playing around and getting Win 98 to run on a newer processor a few years back, and that thing was the snappiest-responding computer you ever saw in your life.
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I put an SSD in an old laptop... suddenly it was ALIVE again. RAM, SSDs, good video boards... and ya got a fair machine... leave off the bloatware, and it could be a great machine. Nothin money can't fix.
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