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Old 05-17-19, 03:40 PM
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You'd think they would have some manner of passive charging by now.
It has to be very close to be efficient, but still could be problematic. One could probably design direct contact pads like is done with the cell phone, essentially big transformers.

I don't think it would go over well if say it was 90% efficient, if the wires are 100% efficient.
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I doubt the Bolt will be around too much longer.
Perhaps. Killing the EV1 wasn't necessarily a good PR stunt.
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With the exception of Tesla, their designs all start at butt ugly and go down hill from there.


Also discontinued, but apparently on the way back. Hardtop?
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I love the clean looking engine bays of some of the old vehicles.

Flathead?
"Flathead" denotes an engine with the valves in the block instead of the head. Two strokes don't have valves. So... I'm not sure if that's a no or a yes.
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Haven't read through all 5 pages of posts, but I wouldn't call the standard passenger car dead yet. The big multi-national auto companies will still keep making them in (and for) foreign countries and buyers, so they are still keeping up with design and engineering technology.

My biggest gripe is the death of the manual transmission here in the USA. In 10 years they'll probably only be available on a few premium vehicles (sports cars, specialty light-duty trucks). Luckly most of the world still likes manual vs automatic transmissions, so the technology is still there for a USA rebirth in the future.
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Originally Posted by skidder View Post
My biggest gripe is the death of the manual transmission here in the USA. In 10 years they'll probably only be available on a few premium vehicles (sports cars, specialty light-duty trucks). Luckly most of the world still likes manual vs automatic transmissions, so the technology is still there for a USA rebirth in the future.
Yeah,

I've noticed that, although I think the new technology is some kind of selectable semi-automatic. Of course, Volkswagen had that in their VW Bugs long ago.

Oh, and Chrysler had their push button transmission, long ago.

It is not uncommon for people to have major transmission problems, and very expensive woes at around 100K miles, leading to the premature death of many cars.

Of course, clutches used to wear too, but it is an easy fix if one wishes.

The thing is, 6, 7, and perhaps even more manual speeds are also becoming available.
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Old 05-17-19, 07:42 PM
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My biggest gripe is the death of the manual transmission here in the USA.
Talk about lost art...

Fiat used non-synchro transmissions up until the early 70's.
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Originally Posted by skidder View Post
Haven't read through all 5 pages of posts, but I wouldn't call the standard passenger car dead yet. The big multi-national auto companies will still keep making them in (and for) foreign countries and buyers, so they are still keeping up with design and engineering technology.

My biggest gripe is the death of the manual transmission here in the USA. In 10 years they'll probably only be available on a few premium vehicles (sports cars, specialty light-duty trucks). Luckly most of the world still likes manual vs automatic transmissions, so the technology is still there for a USA rebirth in the future.

Manual transmissions? Manual transmission are and have been for some time now, obsolete. Lucky for you there will always be holdouts for nothing more than nostalgic reasons just as there are still record players and vinyl discs to be found.

Fortunately, with some technologies even the most ardent holdouts eventually acquiesce to reason or are assimilated into the population, which is why we don't still have crank engines around these days.
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Old 05-18-19, 08:23 AM
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I think that some of the automatic transmissions will freewheel when coasting. I thought my Blazer did, but I haven't driven it for some time.
I don't believe those Saabs had an automatic. They needed a freewheel with the 2-stroke because they are lubricated through the throttle, so if your engine braking you get a lot of revs with a tiny bit of oil, which might cause damage. Appearently Saab just left it in when switching to a 4-stroke, @ccording to Fietsbob. Lovely car.

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You do realize you pretty much just described all men. Especially when it comes to their choice in cars.
There's always an element of boys and their toys, but TG became a celebration of male immaturity to a point that for me it just stopped beeing funny.
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Old 05-20-19, 09:04 AM
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Thinking about this some, I'm a bit disappointed with GM's plan to scrap the Chevy Volt. Perhaps it will be reincarnated in the future.
I'm not surprised or disappointed. My impression was that the Volt was the learning experience, and they 'got it right' (or at least got it a lot better) with the Bolt.
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Old 05-20-19, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Manual transmissions? Manual transmission are and have been for some time now, obsolete. Lucky for you there will always be holdouts for nothing more than nostalgic reasons just as there are still record players and vinyl discs to be found.

Fortunately, with some technologies even the most ardent holdouts eventually acquiesce to reason or are assimilated into the population, which is why we don't still have crank engines around these days.
FTR: I still have a record player and plenty of vinyl records, too.

I might have to throw in the towel on my next car purchase and lower my standards to an auto transmission, but I'll still look and see what I can find in a manual first. My current truck (a 5-speed manual) only has 100,000 miles on it and I expect it to easily last another 20,000-30,000 more miles before I trade it in (when I retire). I definitely will avoid the CVT variety transmissions; all the reports I've seen are they are nothing but constant problems.

FWIW: Speaking of obsolete technologies like crank engines and manual transmissions - its easy to push start a manual transmission car (not a big heavy truck), but not so easy with a auto-transmission (if you can do it at all; I'm not sure if its possible).
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Old 05-20-19, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
I'm not surprised or disappointed. My impression was that the Volt was the learning experience, and they 'got it right' (or at least got it a lot better) with the Bolt.
Perhaps.

The Volt and the Bolt are different vehicles.

The Volt was a plug-in hybrid.
The Bolt is 100% electric.

After years of talking about it, apparently Toyota has come out with a plug-in Prius Prime (good fuel efficiency, but short full electric range).

Oh, it appears as if there is also a Chevy Malibu Hybrid, which apparently isn't being discontinued.
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Old 05-20-19, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by skidder View Post
FTR: I still have a record player and plenty of vinyl records, too.

I might have to throw in the towel on my next car purchase and lower my standards to an auto transmission, but I'll still look and see what I can find in a manual first. My current truck (a 5-speed manual) only has 100,000 miles on it and I expect it to easily last another 20,000-30,000 more miles before I trade it in (when I retire). I definitely will avoid the CVT variety transmissions; all the reports I've seen are they are nothing but constant problems.

FWIW: Speaking of obsolete technologies like crank engines and manual transmissions - its easy to push start a manual transmission car (not a big heavy truck), but not so easy with a auto-transmission (if you can do it at all; I'm not sure if its possible).
Ahhh, yes, push starting. It can be handy on occasion. Of course, one really needs a true generator to push start on a dead battery.

Auto-off headlights help.

As far as CVT, I have found the Prius to be easy to drive, and it seems to last pretty well.
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Old 05-21-19, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Perhaps.

The Volt and the Bolt are different vehicles.

The Volt was a plug-in hybrid.
The Bolt is 100% electric.

After years of talking about it, apparently Toyota has come out with a plug-in Prius Prime (good fuel efficiency, but short full electric range).

Oh, it appears as if there is also a Chevy Malibu Hybrid, which apparently isn't being discontinued.
In fact, the Volt IS 100% electric. It just comes with an engine that is used to charge the battery once its depleted.
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Old 05-23-19, 10:41 AM
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My Subaru Forester will turn 3 in 2 months. Just went over 7,300 miles.

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I don't know how that is possible. My Mazda 3 is 3 years old next week. Just passed 40,000.
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Old 05-23-19, 10:51 AM
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I don't know how that is possible.
I can usually walk, ride or take the bus to work most days. Within the last year I have had to start making appearances in my NJ once or twice a week. About 34 miles round trip. Mileage would be lower if it were not for that. (Now that the weather is nicer I will start doing my bike-train-bike commute to NJ.) I also took a couple of long for me trips for camping, etc., that probably account for at least 1,000 miles. My daily lifestyle is urban, and I try to think "car last."
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I can usually walk, ride or take the bus to work most days. Within the last year I have had to start making appearances in my NJ once or twice a week. About 34 miles round trip. Mileage would be lower if it were not for that. (Now that the weather is nicer I will start doing my bike-train-bike commute to NJ.) I also took a couple of long for me trips for camping, etc., that probably account for at least 1,000 miles. My daily lifestyle is urban, and I try to think "car last."
Ha, yeah, I get it. Really shows the difference between rural and urban living. First 2 years were most of the miles because my kids are 25 miles away. The oldest got her license and a car, so she drives in to me instead of me going out and back 2 trips to pick them up and drop them back off. That was 100 miles just to see my girls.

When I bought this car in 2016, I had cut my work commute in half. That 40k would have been a year and a half worth of driving when I was still married. On top of that, I had to support a 2nd vehicle that put 25k on a year as well.
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Old 05-23-19, 12:19 PM
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But also, it shows you've got enough money to (over?)spend on a brand new car, and only drive it about 2500/yr
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Old 05-23-19, 12:28 PM
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Ha, yeah, I get it. Really shows the difference between rural and urban living.
I have owned one other car in my life. Bought my mom a car at the very beginning of '95. She hadn't owned one for 12 years. She would drive it on the weekdays. I would borrow many weekends during cycling weather. Once she could no longer drive safely she transferred title to me. My then GF would sometimes use it. One February night she drove to her parents house across the river in NJ to help them with trash and recycling. Stayed overnight. Left my car there and drive back to town in her dad's BMW. Some D.B. kid who lived just up the street slammed into it with his dad's old pickup while it was parked and totaled it. Straight street. Broad daylight. He claimed sun glare. Impossible at that hour of the afternoon. We think he was texting. Probably something like "Just left the house." Total mileage after 18 years and 1 month and three drivers: A bit over 108,000. More than 1,000 of those were put on during a trip to QP for a week bike tour.
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Originally Posted by mrodgers View Post
I don't know how that is possible. My Mazda 3 is 3 years old next week. Just passed 40,000.
When my dad gifted me his '98 Honda CRV back in 2013 it had less than 20,000 miles on it.
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One of my patients bought a new car and got the extended warranty with it. They called her about renewing it towards the end of the term and were surprised to find her car had <10,000 miles on it. But she was in her 80's and didn't drive it out of town as a compromise to keep driving instead of giving up her license.
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2 stroke '61
I wouldn't be giving this one to any wild child 16 year old girl without oversight. A dollar gas here and five dollars there with no oil is the standard maintenance routine for beauties too busy and broke to worry about oil all the time and that one won't be making it to vintage status. Not running anyway.

It was easy for my old V6 Buick convertible with see through floorboards. Fill it with gas every payday on every Friday and 3 quarts of oil. My social schedule was more accommodating. But I don't believe it quite made it to vintage status either.
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Hmmm....

Tundra 4x2 Double Cab, V8 (4.6L or 5.7L)
Towing: 10,200 lbs.
Tongue: 1,020 lbs.
Payload: 1600 - 1730 lbs
15 City, 19 HWY, 16 Combined MPG (4.6), and 13/18/15 (5.7)



The New F150 is looking quite impressive now.
Up to a 10 speed transmission
Although, they have a lot of options:
2.7L V6:
20/26/22 MPG
Towing: 7600 lbs to 8500 lbs
Payload: 1710 lbs to 2060 lbs
3.3L V6:
19/25/22 MPG
Towing: 5100 to 12,100 lbs
Payload: 1680 to 1700 lbs
5.0L V8:
17/23/19 MPG
Towing: 8300 to 11,100 lbs
Payload: 2080 to 2890 lbs

https://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota....+info.download
https://media.ford.com/content/dam/f...2019-F-150.pdf


So, depending on the options, the new F150 has a pretty impressive payload. Towing isn't that different from the Tundra.

The new F150 pickups do have pretty impressive fuel efficiency ratings.

However, for those really wanting to push the towing limits, they'll skip the F150, and go to the F350 (towing up to 20,000 lbs) or F450 (towing up to 34,000 lbs).

Lots of different cargo capacities, but the F450 is rated to over 2 tons cargo.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/Prelm19RV&TT_Ford_SuperDtyPU_May4.pdf

And, of course, other brands, Chevy, Dodge, etc.

For the last decade or two, there has been a bit of an arms race of capacities, with the traditional half-ton models being rated to carry up to a ton or so, and the one-ton models being rated to carry up to two tons or so.

The old pickups from the 1960's and 1970's would really bog down if one loaded a half ton pickup with a full ton cargo.

Ford, in particular has been working on adding more aluminum to their pickups to reduce the vehicle weight and increase the cargo ratings. They've also gone to variable cylinder engine configurations to improve fuel efficiency.

Still, the trucks are good when a truck is needed, but overkill for the trips to the grocery store that most of them do most of the time.
Not disputing anything as rated but I just stacked a half bed of quarry rock into the back of my 1999 Toyota Tacoma with 2.7 litre 4 cyl , 5 speed tranny and biggest 14 in mud grips on the back and drove it about 75 miles twice this week. I load it until I've got an inch of travel which was the customary measuring routine when my commercial painting job called for overloading American trucks. It really had to be over a ton . Only a hint of wallow but 5th speed was kinda optional. If I'm reading the rating right on the door frame it actually allows me a ton (2200 front and 2500 rear? It's the lighter model with 14" wheels)

I would say that pound for pound it keeps up with everything but a Ford when loading to max. But I won't make a habit of that. I don't do carburetors or ring and pinions. I replace rear axles with used ones and I don't feel like replacing this one.
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Not disputing anything as rated but I just stacked a half bed of quarry rock into the back of my 1999 Toyota Tacoma with 2.7 litre 4 cyl , 5 speed tranny and biggest 14 in mud grips on the back and drove it about 75 miles twice this week. I load it until I've got an inch of travel which was the customary measuring routine when my commercial painting job called for overloading American trucks. It really had to be over a ton . Only a hint of wallow but 5th speed was kinda optional. If I'm reading the rating right on the door frame it actually allows me a ton (2200 front and 2500 rear? It's the lighter model with 14" wheels) I would say that pound for pound it keeps up with everything but a Ford when loading to max. But I won't make a habit of that. I don't do carburetors or ring and pinions. I replace rear axles with used ones and I don't feel like replacing this one.
All of the American truck manufacture have move up to the next level of pickup and advancements both inside and out.. Toyota is last to market and nothing from Japan can currently match them, Although they still offer acceptable off-road capabilities, they are growing long in the tooth.
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All of the American truck manufacture have move up to the next level of pickup and advancements both inside and out.. Toyota is last to market and nothing from Japan can currently match them, Although they still offer acceptable off-road capabilities, they are growing long in the tooth.
My 1999 just passed 100,000 mi. It's a baby. I wish I had positrack (2wd) in the winter sometimes but i don't really need it. I hope to outlive it but not counting on it. First Japanese Vehicle I ever owned. My last two Detroit vehicles are what sold me on it.
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All of the American truck manufacture have move up to the next level of pickup and advancements both inside and out.. Toyota is last to market and nothing from Japan can currently match them, Although they still offer acceptable off-road capabilities, they are growing long in the tooth.


Now if we could just pass them, or even catch them, in making excellent quality CNC Mills and other CNC machine tools we'd be . . . Great Again. We impose import duty on their stuff. The result is they own the high end of the market (the end that we used to own) and we now compete fiercely for the lower end.
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