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Old 06-07-19, 10:58 AM
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The Case for Killing the Campfire

I know this is just asking for a flame war, but I'm going to carry the torch on this important issue.

The Case for Killing the Campfire

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Old 06-07-19, 11:10 AM
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Reminds me of the H.L. Mencken quote - "Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."
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Old 06-07-19, 11:27 AM
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In the Boy Scouts , for me that was the 50's, we learned how to make campfires

by 1st carefully preparing the ground around where the fire circle was to be sited,

and also being Prepared to put our stray embers.. bucket of water, on hand, and so forth ..


but that was when people read their boy scout manuals .. and worked for Merit Badges...







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Boy Scouts also taught me a ton of good camping disciplines. Campfires are a magical part of being outdoors. A smore just isn't cooked right without some pine embers stuck to the chocolate and marshmallow.

That being said, I work in insurance and know that the best trained and well intentioned people have OH CRAP! moments.

But I guess all things considered, me and the grandkids are still going to be enjoying a good safe fire in the outdoors.
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So, no more pudgy pies?!
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Old 06-07-19, 12:34 PM
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Well, I don't get to go camping anymore, plus I live near the 3rd coast where the hurricanes put out the fires.

So, I guess I'm left to burning wood in my fireplace.
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Itís bad here in CA. We canít get a break. Thereís tons of deadwood thanks to the bark beetles and fewer natural fires clearing it out. In a drought trees die and everything is dried out, but in a wet year thereís tons of undergrowth drying out by now and tinder by July.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I know this is just asking for a flame war, but I'm going to carry the torch on this important issue.
Careful, such an incendiary topic is sure to be hotly contested.

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Old 06-07-19, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
a flame war
Well-played.

I've always kind of hated campfires.
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Old 06-07-19, 03:27 PM
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I have a fire pit in the backyard build up some logs then dump some diesel on it and there you go a campfire. Yes diesel is cheating but I want fire but in all seriousness I don’t have campfires in national forests I’m not willing to take the risk. I have enough Coleman lanterns.
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A campfire , not the Camp Fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Fire_(2018)

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When I burned limbs at home at night I sat by with a water hose with a valve on the end. One visit from a firetruck and being informed of a change in regulations in my zone puts my limb burning to rest. Because next time would be a ticket no doubt.

Use a damn portable if you want to cook and stay warm . . . and be careful with that.
We'll eventually lose campfire rights by way of carelessness when the cost becomes unbearable.
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Most of the time campfires aren't allowed in Australia. And that's good.

I haven't had a fire while camping in years ... over a decade. I don't miss it.
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Old 06-08-19, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jimincalif View Post
Reminds me of the H.L. Mencken quote - "Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."
If you live in California, you know how much fun wildfires and smoke are. A lot of them are started by careless (and occasionally unlucky) people as camp fires.
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Old 06-08-19, 11:14 PM
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Here is the key phrase in the story the OP posted...

Outside of the metal fire rings in organized campgrounds, you could not have a fire on public land.
These work fine, are plentiful, and still allow for the same traditional fire enjoyment at campsites. I have been using them gratefully for many decades while camping all up and down the west. And yes, I was a Boy Scout (even Order of the Arrow) and fully understand how to make, tend and secure a proper campfire.

I will say this though... it annoys me to no end to see people walk away from (untend) fires in fire rings. I was taught that a fire (even coals) should be tended until cold.

I think the last time I built a fire in a ring of rocks was 19 years ago in Baja.
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Old 06-09-19, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
If camp fire is banned, then the overgrown will be even worse. Then, when you have some lightning or human actiivty; the resulting wildfire will be bigger and more distructive ever.
Around a designated campground, there are issues with any stick of wood being stripped away.

But, head out into the wilderness, and there is a LOT OF WOOD. People just aren't taking all of the down wood to make camp fires.

Even in a heavily used remote camp site, how far do people go to hunt for wood? Maybe 100 yards?

Of course, the responsible people are only collecting dead wood, or perhaps dead branches off of living trees. But, they're not doing anything for undergrowth, shrubs, etc.
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Old 06-09-19, 11:56 AM
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This forum is well sooted for a discussion like this.
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Originally Posted by Daspydyr View Post
Boy Scouts also taught me a ton of good camping disciplines. Campfires are a magical part of being outdoors. A smore just isn't cooked right without some pine embers stuck to the chocolate and marshmallow.

That being said, I work in insurance and know that the best trained and well intentioned people have OH CRAP! moments.

But I guess all things considered, me and the grandkids are still going to be enjoying a good safe fire in the outdoors.
For a couple of reasons, I wasn't a boy scout. But, our family practiced safe campfire techniques.

I don't make campfires frequently, but over time I've extended those "safe fire techniques" to SAFER fire techniques.

Keep the fires small.

And keep the fires completely away from anything that can burn.

One of my last camp fires was about a decade ago.



The fire was right down at the water's edge. Quite far from absolutely anything. Wet underneath. And, kept small.

And, all traces of the fire was going to be washed away with the next winter's floods.

The sad thing is that with so many bozos out there, the government thinks of it as an all or none thing, and everyone and all fires are prohibited, rather than fostering safe fire techniques.
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And... a top cause of wildfires. (lists as a top cause, not the top cause).

A Top Cause of WildFires: Vehicles | SDGE | San Diego Gas & Electric - News Center

CARS!!!!

Time to keep our smores, and get those cars off the roads?
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And... a top cause of wildfires. (lists as a top cause, not the top cause).

A Top Cause of WildFires: Vehicles | SDGE | San Diego Gas & Electric - News Center

CARS!!!!

Time to keep our smores, and get those cars off the roads?
Yup, at my old place the neighbor just bought a new SUV drove it into a field of tall dry grass and the exhaust set the SUV and the field on fire. Totally destroyed and the guy had some burns on his legs. Luckily the fire was contained to the field.
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So I guess we have to make smores using the heat of our Smartphone displays?

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So I guess we have to make smores using the heat of our Smartphone displays?

Can't you just bring up a photo of a smore on your smartphone, while watching Bear Grylls reruns on the smart phone?
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Can't you just bring up a photo of a smore on your smartphone, while watching Bear Grylls reruns on the smart phone?
While staying in my Mom's basement? Sure! Sounds like a plan.
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Old 06-09-19, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
If you live in California, you know how much fun wildfires and smoke are. A lot of them are started by careless (and occasionally unlucky) people as camp fires.
Those people work for PG&E's accounting department.
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All that deadwood is going to burn one way or another. Either people can burn it off carefully or mother nature will torch it off at some random time in the future and it will burn completely out of control.
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