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Old 08-10-19, 02:44 PM
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🖨️ Got a new printer today: let the writing begin.

Been meaning to make good on my promise and NYs resolution to start writing again. Haven't done any writing since I took that writing class. Also, didn't have a printer. Got my bonus this month, so no more excuses.

In other news, dang Amazon ape delivery guy just dumped it at my door and run off. Thing is, its not even in an unmarked box so all my hooligan neighbors could know exactly what it was.

Dang thing weighs a ton though so I doubt any of them could get very far with it without pulling a muscle. I did just getting it in the door. Now comes the drudgery of hooking it up, and learning what all the buttons do. I used to like that kinda stuff but now it annoys me.

Anyway, that'll have to wait for later. Paper didn't arrive yet though so no rush. Don't need it to start writing though. Just got to get the new software installed and I'm off to the races. Who writes?
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The cheaper the printer, the more the ink.

That's all I know about printers. The library has one if'n I needs it.

The best novelists read lots. I'm not that well rounded in my reading having focused mostly on Jack London in my youth. I probably read everything he ever had in print though . . . War correspondence, boxing reporting, short stories and all.

My favorite novel though is "Death on the Installment Program" by Louis Ferdinand Celine. "Journey to the End of the Night" is also good.

I bought a stack of books by some of the people his novels inspired, Miller, Heller, Burroughs, Vonnegut, Kerouac etc.

They sit in the corner on the shelf laughing at me.

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Old 08-10-19, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Been meaning to make good on my promise and NYs resolution to start writing again. Haven't done any writing since I took that writing class. Also, didn't have a printer. Got my bonus this month, so no more excuses.

In other news, dang Amazon ape delivery guy just dumped it at my door and run off. Thing is, its not even in an unmarked box so all my hooligan neighbors could know exactly what it was.

Dang thing weighs a ton though so I doubt any of them could get very far with it without pulling a muscle. I did just getting it in the door. Now comes the drudgery of hooking it up, and learning what all the buttons do. I used to like that kinda stuff but now it annoys me.

Anyway, that'll have to wait for later. Paper didn't arrive yet though so no rush. Don't need it to start writing though. Just got to get the new software installed and I'm off to the races. Who writes?
Mark Fuhrman supplemented his income as a local talk radio host by writing after retiring up here to Sandpoint Idaho. I even bought one of his books once. Wasn't bad. Last thing that I know of him working on was a Kennedy assassination theory.

Meh. So I said on his radio show:


"All the bullets came from Oswald's carbine which he lied about not owning despite a photo of him with it. No other bullets found anywhere in the limo. He was the only employee in the building that fled with $13 trying to flag a cab then a bus. Then he killed the first arresting officer. Several people have duplicated his shots in the time frame, the last which isn't difficult at all as the limo is making 11 mph and is already past the building at an angle whereas he doesn't even have to lead his target. The video taken frame by frame shows Kennedy's head move forward upon impact and all blood and brain matter splatters forward. Connelly is not sitting directly in front of Kennedy but to his left a bit. No video shows anybody with any firearm on the open grassy knoll. Nobody is going to hire this screwball Oswald or even risk setting him up. He was never found to have had any contact with any mob person or other by an exhaustive FBI investigation. "

I did tell him I figured the book should do well though

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Old 08-11-19, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Zinger View Post
The cheaper the printer, the more the ink.

That's all I know about printers. The library has one if'n I needs it.
So I've noticed. And as much as I tried to get around it, I couldn't. That's one industry where everyone's holding on to that cash cow. Unless some crowd source person or group comes along to change that, we're going to continue to be paying through the noise.

The worst part is that all the big name printers have instituted electronics so the printers won't work without their ink (or at least their cartridge), so a cheaper generic alternative would be difficult. Believe it or not, the XL capacity ink cost half the price of the printer.

BTW, the printer wasn't that cheap either. I went ahead and got an large format all-in-one so I could completely sever the need for outside printing. I even paid the extra 30 buck for the insurance since printers are still the most unreliable machines in the office. Its not a question of if, but when they will just stop working.
The best novelists read lots. I'm not that well rounded in my reading having focused mostly on Jack London in my youth. I probably read everything he ever had in print though . . . War correspondence, boxing reporting, short stories and all.

My favorite novel though is "Death on the Installment Program" by Louis Ferdinand Celine. "Journey to the End of the Night" is also good.

I bought a stack of books by some of the people his novels inspired, Miller, Heller, Burroughs, Vonnegut, Kerouac etc.

They sit in the corner on the shelf laughing at me.
That's what I've always been taught as well. But actually it was screenwriting I intend to begin with. Part of my challenge since I'm so critical of the material coming out of Hollywood. Although the software can format all of the above to industry standards. Don't recall ever reading a novel. Maybe int HS? 🤔 I read mostly text books. Stay tuned.
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Mark Fuhrman supplemented his income as a local talk radio host by writing after retiring up here to Sandpoint Idaho. I even bought one of his books once. Wasn't bad. Last thing that I know of him working on was a Kennedy assassination theory.

Meh. So I said on his radio show:


"All the bullets came from Oswald's carbine which he lied about not owning despite a photo of him with it. No other bullets found anywhere in the limo. He was the only employee in the building that fled with $13 trying to flag a cab then a bus. Then he killed the first arresting officer. Several people have duplicated his shots in the time frame, the last which isn't difficult at all as the limo is making 11 mph and is already past the building at an angle whereas he doesn't even have to lead his target. The video taken frame by frame shows Kennedy's head move forward upon impact and all blood and brain matter splatters forward. Connelly is not sitting directly in front of Kennedy but to his left a bit. No video shows anybody with any firearm on the open grassy knoll. Nobody is going to hire this screwball Oswald or even risk setting him up. He was never found to have had any contact with any mob person or other by an exhaustive FBI investigation. "

I did tell him I figured the book should do well though
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Originally Posted by Zinger View Post
The cheaper the printer, the more the ink.

That's all I know about printers. The library has one if'n I needs it.

The best novelists read lots. I'm not that well rounded in my reading having focused mostly on Jack London in my youth. I probably read everything he ever had in print though . . . War correspondence, boxing reporting, short stories and all.

My favorite novel though is "Death on the Installment Program" by Louis Ferdinand Celine. "Journey to the End of the Night" is also good.

I bought a stack of books by some of the people his novels inspired, Miller, Heller, Burroughs, Vonnegut, Kerouac etc.

They sit in the corner on the shelf laughing at me.
Got an Epson Eco Tank Printer last year. Have yet to refill the tanks.

We print a lot of color graphics images... and this printer does a pretty good job.

Only downside... they could have done a better job with the touch screen UI.
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Old 08-11-19, 04:02 AM
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Got a new printer today: let the writing begin.
Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Been meaning to make good on my promise and NYs resolution to start writing again. Haven't done any writing since I took that writing class. Also, didn't have a printer. Got my bonus this month, so no more excuses….

Anyway, that'll have to wait for later. Paper didn't arrive yet though so no rush. Don't need it to start writing though. Just got to get the new software installed and I'm off to the races. Who writes?
Since you asked...

Having grown up in the typewriter era, writing papers was the bane of my existence since I seek perfection, at least in the presentation, but I was a poor typist, and corrections were difficult and often messy. In college I did learn essentials of writing though that I still remember today.

Since I have learned word processing, I have taken courses on business / professional writing, and I have three reference books about writing at my desk, though nowadays I mostly consult Google.
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This may sound wonky, but over the past few years I have become engrossed in learning the various Microsoft office products, in conjunction with various projects I do at work…I think of the Office products as a sort of adult computer game, and I'm always trying to achieve higher levels of skill.

I used to admire a busy colleague who was an accomplished woodworker, and computer-generated presentations are craft I have chosen.

A radio talk show host, and a rabbi, named Dennis Prager, once commented that one should take a vacation everyday, in the sense of breaking away from daily tasks, even for a brief time. Reading and posting to Bikeforums is one such activity for me…
So just as that colleague might have spent a lot of time making and finishing items to his satisfaction, I adopted writing as my chosen skill.
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Posting has become an avocation for me Since my job requires writing formal reports, with legal implications, I consider myself a “wordsmith,” and beside the exchange of information and ideas, I enjoy the mechanics of writing, such as grammar, composition , style, etc. for that addtional mental stimulation
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I have been an avid cyclist, as a lifestyle since about 1972...I happened serendipitously on Bike Forums in 2008, and it was frankly incredible to find a community that shared so many concerns I had kept to myself as a lone cyclist.

This enthusiasm has definitely increased my enjoyment of cycling. As far as improving it, what I have gotten directly from BF [include]…the opportunity to post and literally "journal" my thoughts and activities about cycling and lifestyle (even if nobody else reads them), but which I wouldn't write down otherwise...
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
...Last year I came upon a post that to me embodied the communication style that I like about BF. In response to a long quote, turbo1889 wrote:
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First of all you [not referring to me] have no need to apologize for a lengthy post, least of all to me of all people.

Part of the reason I like forums as apposed to other forms of written communal internet forms is because I consider it the "long deep conversation format" rather then the quick short snappy sound bite like format like twitter and such.
So when I nest quotes, I feel I’m emulating a conversation…”He said," then “You said," then “I said, and now I’m saying…”

I leave my quotes as links to identify the author, and if anyone is interested in reading further, or verifying those quotes, they can easily be followed right from the post.
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(from a now-closed thread) I think that the use of quote boxes, which I have not seen elsewhere is a remarkable way to graphically diagram a dialogue.
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…So with my experiences in cycling, and my frequent posting over the years, if I have replied on a recurrent topic, written to my satisfaction, I’ll just quote it.

A further challenge then becomes finding the post.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
...I use ellipses,"..." to eliminate as much as possible, and still leave the context of the quote comprehensible; and I [underline or] bold key words and phrases to emphasize the core content of the discussion.

Furthermore…While even if nobody reads my posts, I do try to communicate clearly to the reader. At least I try to evenly space, and keep my paragraphs short for easier readability, FWIW. .
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JFB follows his own set of writing standards and rules.

He is perfectly aware of the annoyance caused by his infinite mirror quotes.

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I got mine off Craigslist and am happy that people practically give the NEW ink cartridges it takes away. Seems that their printers quit and they get new ones without figuring out how to fix the one they had. One of the benefits of learning how-to since 1991.
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We use a printer for the home office, a lot. It's an all in one scanner, printer, might even have a fax in it. Anywho, made by Brother and the thing works wonderfully. I do find it amazing, however, that the drum cost about $25 more than the whole machine cost, and that the ink cost about half. This one has that "DRM" type feature like Keurig pulled where you can only use Brother specific replacements without it throwing a warning or simply not working at all. We have found a specific brand of ink cartridges at a fraction of the cost of branded ones that work well and don't constantly tell you to replace the ink...the drum was another thing though. We utilized the same brand for that as the ink and it is constantly telling us we need to replace the drum with a genuine Brother replacement and about one or two times a week depending on print load simply refuses to work. We have to physically remove the drum and put it back in and get a few hundred more prints from it. More bothersome than anything.

Just the same, it's rather amazing that items like this are being made that are cheaper to put in a landfill than to service. And we wonder why the only work left in America is in an Amazon warehouse and McDonalds counter.
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Hewlett-Packard All-In One and it uses the 564 set. I've used HP printers since the original 500C inkjet, and as I understand it the technology came from Canon, although their printers never impressed me much. Nevertheless I have 28 years of experience with inkjet printers. In ye olden daze one could run just the black cart with an empty tricolor but it's getting much harder to do with four cartridge printers. Then they read you your rights before you can use a non-HP cart. I used printer models that used HP 45 and 78 carts mainly for years, after starting with 25 and 26. The 930C series were workhorses and I was able to make large batches of jobs like cards and cassette or CD inserts for things like Christmas albums.over many years. But over that time cartridges got to be fairly expensive and the printing shop that did refills for me closed after the owner had a heart attack and retired.

I used to make a special J-card insert for mixtapes but I gave up on just onesies.
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
Got a new printer today: let the writing begin.


Since you asked...

Having grown up in the typewriter era, writing papers was the bane of my existence since I seek perfection, at least in the presentation, but I was a poor typist, and corrections were difficult and often messy. In college I did learn essentials of writing though that I still remember today.

Since I have learned word processing, I have taken courses on business / professional writing, and I have three reference books about writing at my desk, though nowadays I mostly consult Google.So just as that colleague might have spent a lot of time making and finishing items to his satisfaction, I adopted writing as my chosen skill.
Lucky for you, I read your posts through my email and it made a lot of sense. Here's the thing JFB, you can be the most eloquent and/or informative writer on earth but if nobody reads it, it will all go to waste.

The things I remember most from school about writing was to first consider your audience. After that, make what you write as entertaining and as easy to read as you can. This is something I'm always trying to improve on, and although that gets taught in school, most text writers often ignore it

For example, back when I was in school I remember taking a test. After class, a couple of us students were outside discussing the questions when everybody agreed that one question was unusually hard because the teacher didn't go over it in class.

When they found out that I got it correct, they ask how I knew the answer and I told them it was explained in chapter 6 of the text book. They paused and all look at me strange. When I asked why this one girl said, "because nobody reads the text, just the summary". My point is, some writings, (text books in this case) are full of useful information, but written so badly that nobody will ever want to read them.

When I read your posts I find them similarly information and well-written, but for whatever reason, you make it such a challenge to get through. It doesn't have to be like that. I probably should have said that in a PM, but I felt an overwhelming obligation to say that out loud.
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Hewlett-Packard All-In One and it uses the 564 set. I've used HP printers since the original 500C inkjet, and as I understand it the technology came from Canon, although their printers never impressed me much. Nevertheless I have 28 years of experience with inkjet printers. In ye olden daze one could run just the black cart with an empty tricolor but it's getting much harder to do with four cartridge printers. Then they read you your rights before you can use a non-HP cart. I used printer models that used HP 45 and 78 carts mainly for years, after starting with 25 and 26. The 930C series were workhorses and I was able to make large batches of jobs like cards and cassette or CD inserts for things like Christmas albums.over many years. But over that time cartridges got to be fairly expensive and the printing shop that did refills for me closed after the owner had a heart attack and retired.

I used to make a special J-card insert for mixtapes but I gave up on just onesies.
My former printer was an HP. It was great, but ink flowed through it like a sieve. This go-round the Epson (which has improved spray jets) got a slightly higher rating.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Lucky for you, I read your posts through my email and it made a lot of sense. Here's the thing JFB, you can be the most eloquent and/or informative writer on earth but if nobody reads it, it will all go to waste.

The things I remember most from school about writing was to first consider your audience. After that, make what you write as entertaining and as easy to read as you can. This is something I'm always trying to improve on, and although that gets taught in school, most text writers often ignore it…

My point is, some writings, (text books in this case) are full of useful information, but written so badly that nobody will ever want to read them.

When I read your posts I find them similarly information and well-written, but for whatever reason, you make it such a challenge to get through. It doesn't have to be like that. I probably should have said that in a PM, but I felt an overwhelming obligation to say that out loud.
Thanks for that thoughtful reply, @KraneXL. A key point of my preceding post is:
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I have been an avid cyclist, as a lifestyle since about 1972...I happened serendipitously on Bike Forums in 2008, and it was frankly incredible to find a community that shared so many concerns I had kept to myself as a lone cyclist.

This enthusiasm has definitely increased my enjoyment of cycling. As far as improving it, what I have gotten directly from BF [include]…the opportunity to post and literally "journal" my thoughts and activities about cycling and lifestyle (even if nobody else reads them), but which I wouldn't write down otherwise...
Now of course, I’m gratified that other subscribers do read, and indeed reply to my posts.
Originally Posted by himespau View Post
I imagine that he means that those of us who get e-mail notification of quotes and mentions are more likely to come back more frequently because our interest has been piqued to wonder what people are saying about our comments not that we want to look at the profiles of people...

And mentioning [and quoting] someone draws their attention to the thread in which they've been mentioned, which they might not otherwise visit, again bringing up the number of visits.

More page views => more revenue...
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My experience is that people drive differently in every city and treat cyclists very differently. The best advice often comes from cyclists that live the closest to you

The exception here would also be Jim from Boston--anyone that can successfully commute around Boston has my full respect and probably knows how to deal with about every intersection imaginable!
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LISTEN to @Jim from Boston

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... BTW, I don’t consider posting (and reading) BikeForums a waste of time.

Actually, a waste of time for me is replying to these recurring wearisome replies about my posting style, instead of just ignoring my posts.[Excepting your current reply of course, Krane].
My perspective on posting to BikeForums:
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...you do realise that everything you post here is temporary, right? I've been here long enough for there to be several server changes during which time posts were lost. And it won't be long before this forum disappears entirely ... say, maybe, 5 years or 10 years
Originally Posted by Machka View Post
Comments on a forum, like life, are merely temporary. Like Rowan says ... discussions here are like those which might occur in a pub. They aren't doctoral theses…
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
As a Famous Writer wrote, ”If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter.”

I only read the threads and posts that interest me. If I'm particularly interested in the content then I'm motivated to read no matter how long. It takes some time to write a properly composed long post, and I take my chances that my expenditure of time might connect with another interested reader.
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
I think I have absorbed all the good advice I can for a complete and agreeable cycling lifestyle, and recently I have clicked on many fewer threads than before.

In the past I have offered IMO several useful suggestions about cycling, particularly for winter and urban cycling, to multiple repetitive threads. They are usually lost in the morass of often scores of replies, both in agreement and dispute with mine.

I’m not especially motivated to read or write about rides in areas I will never visit, or bikes I would not buy. Other cyclists’ biking stories are often meaningful to me, but usually not consequential enough for a reply.

Frankly, now my main enjoyment is reading the personal clashes on the various threads, such as these current ones: "I work with a moron", or ”How often do you check your mirror?.”
Nonetheless, some subscribers get my style:
Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Sometimes I do too. (tldr) Other times I'll quickly find and read the "new" unquoted thoughts in the post to see what he's writing about. Either way, it's hardly difficult to deal with.

But, if he's quoted me, I'll almost always read the entire post, just because I'm curious to see where I fit in his virtual conversation.

I find a variety of posting styles makes things more interesting, even if I skip reading some of them
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Wow. That is masterful. I've always thought it was just self-indulgent and convoluted, but now I see that they are really performance art.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Finally, I consider my most meaningful days posting to Bike Forums, when I was particularly concerned with “clear” and significant communications to be prior to about 2015, when I was actively involved with the so-called "Annual Fifty-Plus Rides”
Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
50+ the way that it used to be”

I think this Forum started well before I joined in 2008, maybe 2005?

What has captivated me most about Fifty-Plus beside the general milieu are (were) the Annual rides begun in 2010 up though last year. I have ridden in five of them, and have compiled the personal narratives of all the Rides on the thread, "A Chronicle of the 50+ Annual Rides" [link]…

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Hewlett-Packard All-In One and it uses the 564 set. I've used HP printers since the original 500C inkjet, and as I understand it the technology came from Canon, although their printers never impressed me much. Nevertheless I have 28 years of experience with inkjet printers. In ye olden daze one could run just the black cart with an empty tricolor but it's getting much harder to do with four cartridge printers. Then they read you your rights before you can use a non-HP cart. I used printer models that used HP 45 and 78 carts mainly for years, after starting with 25 and 26. The 930C series were workhorses and I was able to make large batches of jobs like cards and cassette or CD inserts for things like Christmas albums.over many years. But over that time cartridges got to be fairly expensive and the printing shop that did refills for me closed after the owner had a heart attack and retired.

I used to make a special J-card insert for mixtapes but I gave up on just onesies.
Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
My former printer was an HP. It was great, but ink flowed through it like a sieve. This go-round the Epson (which has improved spray jets) got a slightly higher rating.
I was dissuaded from reading @Rollfasts’s quote. In your reply there is no mention of IMO a cardinal rule of good writing, often violated on Bike Forums….paragraphs should be no more than seven lines long, and in quote boxes the lines of text are shortened, e.g.
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Hewlett-Packard All-In One and it uses the 564 set. I've used HP printers since the original 500C inkjet, and as I understand it the technology came from Canon, although their printers never impressed me much.

Nevertheless I have 28 years of experience with inkjet printers. In ye olden daze one could run just the black cart with an empty tricolor but it's getting much harder to do with four cartridge printers. Then they read you your rights before you can use a non-HP cart. I used printer models that used HP 45 and 78 carts mainly for years, after starting with 25 and 26.

The 930C series were workhorses and I was able to make large batches of jobs like cards and cassette or CD inserts for things like Christmas albums.over many years. But over that time cartridges got to be fairly expensive and the printing shop that did refills for me closed after the owner had a heart attack and retired.

I used to make a special J-card insert for mixtapes but I gave up on just onesies.
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[I once posted] BTW, @RubeRad, I took the liberty of paragraphing your post. I do that in my professional writing when quoting, adding the disclaimer "(paragraph breaks added)."
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It is better that way.
FYA, I once risked life and limb to correct a subscriber about posting style:
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Paragraphs for me are an essential component for written communication….

In 2013, I got involved in one of the most hostile brouhahas I have ever read on BikeForums…about paragraphs! My adversary shall remain nameless.

On a now-closed thread in a reply to a long, unbroken post I wrote:
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Paragraphs, please.

PS: I did read your post, in its entirety.
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I wouldn't spend near as much time with you in person, let alone stop for paragraphs. ****, I might even let go of punctuation in person, except when you feel the heel of my boot hit your chin
Complete with a graphic illustration.


Just sayin'

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Old 08-12-19, 04:34 AM
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I write but I don't bother printing. Wish I'd kept my old dot matrix and daisy wheel printers. Those were reliable. Inkjet printers are pickpockets. I have at least three Epson and HP printers, none fully functional, and I've thrown away several others. I think the last time I actually needed a home printer was when I was still directing theater plays and doing volunteer work for local arts organizations. Eventually I donated most of my office equipment to a favorite local theater group.

I don't even print my own photos anymore. I send out to photo printing services like mpix.

Before free or cheap cloud storage I used to email to myself copies of my blog posts, freelance articles and story drafts. I'd email copies to two or three of my various email accounts. They're still there, years later. Not much need to pay for cloud storage for text, although I do use it for photos and videos.

I'll worry about printing if I ever sell a manuscript. In which case my worries about printing will be worrying about proofreading, editing and typography -- which I'm hoping someone else will take care of.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
I write but I don't bother printing. Wish I'd kept my old dot matrix and daisy wheel printers. Those were reliable. Inkjet printers are pickpockets. I have at least three Epson and HP printers, none fully functional, and I've thrown away several others. I think the last time I actually needed a home printer was when I was still directing theater plays and doing volunteer work for local arts organizations. Eventually I donated most of my office equipment to a favorite local theater group.
I wouldn't print everything (that would be a colossal waste), just what's necessary, and only when its necessary.

I don't even print my own photos anymore. I send out to photo printing services like mpix.
Well there are advantages and disadvantages to that. If you have a large quantity to print -- or need a very large print -- then outsourcing is the only way to go. On the the hand, when you require very specialized results that only your eye can determine (special order) then it might be something better completed only by the artist. Provided you have all the necessary equipment and skill. There is also a waiting period, since you might be completing the work on a weekend for delivery on Monday morning. This was my biggest reason for needing my own printer.

Before free or cheap cloud storage I used to email to myself copies of my blog posts, freelance articles and story drafts. I'd email copies to two or three of my various email accounts. They're still there, years later. Not much need to pay for cloud storage for text, although I do use it for photos and videos.
A wise and useful measure.
I'll worry about printing if I ever sell a manuscript. In which case my worries about printing will be worrying about proofreading, editing and typography -- which I'm hoping someone else will take care of.
My point exactly, and the direction I intend to pursue. In that case, you really do need to have that base covered.
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Get a laser printer for print (cheap printer, cheap ink & fast) and a photo printer.
I use an Brother 2400 for B/W print and Epson 4800 for photo.
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Anyway, that'll have to wait for later. Paper didn't arrive yet though so no rush. Don't need it to start writing though. Just got to get the new software installed and I'm off to the races. Who writes?
Bingo. You can write in Notepad or vi, and format and print it later.

Also, consider composing longhand. Studies have shown that the brain works differently (more lazily) when it can rely on the crutch of a delete key, vs thinking thoughts out more fully before taking the time and effort to commit them to paper by hand. Students who take notes by writing in a notebook experience significantly better retention than students who type their notes into laptops. YMMV, you might find hand-writing helpful enough to be worth the extra effort; or you might find your creativity is more free when you're not slowed down by writing.

I don't write creatively, but I did recently write an academic paper, that's been sitting still for over a month waiting for me to get busy finding a home for it. (For anybody that's interested but doesn't want to try to read LaTeX, I'll be happy to send you a pdf of the current draft).

As for printers, I still remember being slave to the cheap-printer-exorbitant-ink scam. I paid over $100 for inkjet refills for my all-in-one, and couldn't bring myself to open the package, they cost so much. In the end, I returned the ink to costco, and for less money, got a used LaserJet 2300 off eBay (including delivery for that heavy beast), and it's been bulletproof. That was back in 2014; I've since bought toner refill supplies/tools, and still have not outspent the refund I got for those inkjet cartridges.

The only thing is, once in a while (monthly?) it would be nice to be able to print color, but I can print a color page or two here and there at work.

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Been meaning to make good on my promise and NYs resolution to start writing again. Haven't done any writing since I took that writing class. Also, didn't have a printer. Got my bonus this month, so no more excuses.

In other news, dang Amazon ape delivery guy just dumped it at my door and run off. Thing is, its not even in an unmarked box so all my hooligan neighbors could know exactly what it was.

Dang thing weighs a ton though so I doubt any of them could get very far with it without pulling a muscle. I did just getting it in the door. Now comes the drudgery of hooking it up, and learning what all the buttons do. I used to like that kinda stuff but now it annoys me.

Anyway, that'll have to wait for later. Paper didn't arrive yet though so no rush. Don't need it to start writing though. Just got to get the new software installed and I'm off to the races. Who writes?
What do a printer and paper have to do with writing?

And yes, I write ... technical writing, personal story writing, articles, papers, instruction manuals, etc. etc.
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��️ Got a new printer today: let the writing begin.
Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Been meaning to make good on my promise and NYs resolution to start writing again. Haven't done any writing since I took that writing class. Also, didn't have a printer. Got my bonus this month, so no more excuses

Paper didn't arrive yet though so no rush. Don't need it to start writing though. Just got to get the new software installed and I'm off to the races. Who writes?
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Since you asked...

Having grown up in the typewriter era, writing papers was the bane of my existence since I seek perfection, at least in the presentation, but I was a poor typist, and corrections were difficult and often messy. In college I did learn essentials of writing though that I still remember today.

Since I have learned word processing, I have taken courses on business / professional writing, and I have three reference books about writing at my desk, though nowadays I mostly consult Google...

I adopted writing as my chosen skill.
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Posting has become an avocation for me Since my job requires writing formal reports, with legal implications, I consider myself a “wordsmith,” and beside the exchange of information and ideas, I enjoy the mechanics of writing, such as grammar, composition , style, etc. for that addtional mental stimulation
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What do a printer and paper have to do with writing?

And yes, I write ... technical writing, personal story writing, articles, papers, instruction manuals, etc. etc.
Apropos of “misleading” titles, just this morning I posted to:“Have You Ever Been Hit By A Car?”
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I just ran across this new bike light called Dual Beam. I found this article in Gear Patrol and wanted to share with the community…
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I too was going to reply to this thread, re the title, but there’s an obvious diconnect with the content, and even suggests that bike light might prevent it.
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Since this topic came up---I need a new printer. I really only need black and white, and print quality is not an issue. What can I get that will be fairly cheap up front and also cheap to refill with ink? Maybe I should put it this way---what printer will rip me off least?
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I run one of these, it's a laser printer, much more economical than inkjet:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-LaserJet...oAAOSw3CdcXKZM

B&W only, toner is $20-30, will print thousands and thousands of pages. This printer is solid. Print quality is excellent. Tray holds about 250 sheets. If you don't need color printing, and are an extreme cheapskate like me, this is the ticket.

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I did some research beforehand and found that laser printers print B&W at about 1/2 the cost of an ink jet (3 cents/pp vs 6 cents/pp), and are much faster at printing -- best for high volume printing and office. They used to also have sharper crisper type but nowadays ink jets have caught up to them.

The type from the test page I printed is remarkably crisp, and I'm 100% satisfied with that. Ink jets also have superior color which will allow me to print documents and photos up to 13x19. The biggest negative of this all-in-one is the stratospheric cost of inks, which I'm not afraid to say nothing short of highway robbery.
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What do a printer and paper have to do with writing?
Sharing -- esp. with academics. If...when, I ask for their help, that's how they prefer it to be submitted. In fact, my writing teacher wouldn't accept our work in any other form.

And yes, I write ... technical writing, personal story writing, articles, papers, instruction manuals, etc. etc.
Feel free to elaborate e.g., advice, ideas, suggestions. The above idea for writing by hand for example. Although my handwriting is so bad sometimes I can't even read it.
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
I run one of these, it's a laser printer, much more economical than inkjet:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-LaserJet...oAAOSw3CdcXKZM

B&W only, toner is $20-30, will print thousands and thousands of pages. This printer is solid. Print quality is excellent. Tray holds about 250 sheets. If you don't need color printing, and are an extreme cheapskate like me, this is the ticket.
I agree, see my post above, although my IT friend recommends in particular the HP 2xxx series, which 'are workhorses that never die'. Make sure you get one that has USB connectivity, in particular 2300 should, 2100 might not.
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Been meaning to make good on my promise and NYs resolution to start writing again. Haven't done any writing since I took that writing class. Also, didn't have a printer. Got my bonus this month, so no more excuses.
What kind of writing are you looking to do? There is a pretty good website out there - Wattpad - that encourages people to post their writing and depending on the user settings, readers can comment/critique. The website even allows for readers to 'fork' the riding, adding their own spin to the story and take the story in a direction the original author may not have planned.

Just throwing it out there in case the urge to share your writing comes up.
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Sharing -- esp. with academics. If...when, I ask for their help, that's how they prefer it to be submitted. In fact, my writing teacher wouldn't accept our work in any other form.
How long ago did you take the writing class?

I'm plodding toward my Master's degree. When I started in 2015, some instructors still wanted paper copies. By 2016, none did. I haven't printed and handed in anything in 3 years. Everything is completed online and submitted in Word or pdf format.


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Feel free to elaborate e.g., advice, ideas, suggestions. The above idea for writing by hand for example. Although my handwriting is so bad sometimes I can't even read it.
I type ... everything online. The only handwriting I do is in exams. Blech. I'd be much happier if I could type exams too.

I write instruction manuals and technical writing at work and have been doing so for years now ... wow ... like 22 years. I can hardly believe it has been so long!

I write articles for myself and occasional publication.

And I write papers for university.


Long, long ago I tried to write fiction but I don't seem to have the ability to create a gripping story. And then I discovered I do well with the dry boring stuff like instruction manuals.
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I haven't printed and handed in anything in 3 years. Everything is completed online and submitted in Word or pdf format.

it was all digital sharing/presenting in my 21st century post grad work and also now in my work. some of the good reasons for it are accessibility, cost and sustainability.

.…and for those who feel printed material carries more of a sense of gravitas than digital are just in an old way of thinking.
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